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Unread 02-20-2012, 03:56 PM   #1
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Kids Turned Away From Church....

Court order bans unsupervised contact with children

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - A Northside church has been at the center of a controversy for nearly a month since allowing a registered sex offender to return to the pulpit

In 2009, Darrell Gilyard pleaded guilty to lewd conduct and lewd molestation. The victims were underage girls in his congregation at Shiloh Baptist Church.

In the past few weeks, Gilyard began preaching at Christ Tabernacle Missionary Baptist Church on the Northside. His new position drew protests from other pastors and the New Black Panther Party.

Since taking the position, Gilyard would not speak to television reporters. Channel 4 looked up his address on the sex offender registry and went to a motel where he was staying in North Jacksonville.

The first time reporters approached Gilyard, he dropped his things and slammed the door. Moments later, he came outside and got into his car without saying a word.

Since joining Christ Tabernacle on North Davis Street, the congregation has had to adapt to changes. Under the terms of Gilyard's release, court documents show he is not allowed to have "unsupervised contact with children under 18 years old." The church agreed to ban children from Sunday service.

Since joining Christ Tabernacle on North Davis Street, the congregation has had to adapt to changes. Under the terms of Gilyard's release, court documents show he is not allowed to have "unsupervised contact with children under 18 years old." The church agreed to ban children from Sunday service.

Sunday, a woman tried to bring a 2-year-old boy she babysits to services, but was turned away.

"They said for the next two weeks, no children are allowed," Wanda Evans said. "This is the second Sunday, no children, so next week's Sunday, kids will be able to be allowed."

Last week, members of the new Black Panther Party of Jacksonville promised to protest every Sunday that Gilyard was a pastor at the church. This Sunday, however, there were no demonstrations.

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I think about hard labor camp will be suitable for sex offenders until they are completely tame.
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What is wrong with those people of the church congregation?! Why are they allowing a convicted sex offender to preach from their pulpit?
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What is wrong with those people of the church congregation?! Why are they allowing a convicted sex offender to preach from their pulpit?
I guess they are a forgiving bunch.
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This is wrong on so many levels.
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What is wrong with those people of the church congregation?! Why are they allowing a convicted sex offender to preach from their pulpit?
Do you believe in redemption?
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I guess they are a forgiving bunch.
Forgiving isn't the same as ignoring the reality of consequences.

A mature man of God wouldn't even think of applying for a position of leadership in a church if it meant the appearance of wrongdoing, or reflecting on the integrity of the Lord's church or name.
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Yes. Do you know what it means?
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There is a difference between (forgiveness & redemption) and then the LAW!
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There is a difference between (forgiveness & redemption) and then the LAW!
Curious...What law says he cannot preach?
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Yes. Do you know what it means?
Yes.
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Curious...What law says he cannot preach?
The law says that a registered sex offender cannot be around children and if there are children that attend there that is against the law!
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The law says that a registered sex offender cannot be around children and if there are children that attend there that is against the law!
Which is why the children were turned away from the church.
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This story was all over the news last year....A mother saw a very explict text message to her underage daughter from this man....She reported it, and many other young girls from the same Church came forward about it also.

The girls said he "touched them inappropriately"...and saying he was a man of God, and that God approved what he was doing......He was thrown out of that Church. Now he's reappeared and it's all over the news again....He was also married, but seems to be divorsed now since he's living in a Hotel.
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My old english is getting rusty. I haven't read the bible in a few years. I'm Agnostic. Could you paraphrase this for me?
No problem.

This is my paraphrase:

He (the church leader) must have a good reputation with the community that is outside the church, not just inside the church. That is so people will have no reason to criticize him, and the devil will not have an opportunity to tempt him.

That is, no baggage for the pastor so that he can't be attacked from people inside or outside the church. He needs to have a clean name if he wants to be a leader.
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No problem.

This is my paraphrase:

He (the church leader) must have a good reputation with the community that is outside the church, not just inside the church. That is so people will have no reason to criticize him, and the devil will not have an opportunity to tempt him.

That is, no baggage for the pastor so that he can't be attacked from people inside or outside the church. He needs to have a clean name if he wants to be a leader.
But Paul had neither did he not?
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So, basically, according to Reba, a pastor must be 100% sin free so as to not be tempted by the devil.

Tell me the name of one single pastor who does not sin, in either thought or deed. oh wait, there isn't any.
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So, basically, according to Reba, a pastor must be 100% sin free so as to not be tempted by the devil.

Tell me the name of one single pastor who does not sin, in either thought or deed. oh wait, there isn't any.
All people are born sinners.
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All people are born sinners.
Exactly.
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But Paul had neither did he not?
Neither what?
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So, basically, according to Reba, a pastor must be 100% sin free so as to not be tempted by the devil.
I never said that.

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Tell me the name of one single pastor who does not sin, in either thought or deed. oh wait, there isn't any.
I didn't say that either.
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Neither what?
I'm not trying to antagonize here so please don't take it as such LOL. I'm saying Paul was hated by the world for supporting Christianity and he was hated inside the church for killing other Christians.
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All people are born sinners.
True.

And all people can be saved from the eternal penalty of their sins.

That doesn't mean that they escape the earthly consequences of their sins.

That doesn't mean that they are all suitable to be church pastors.

Church pastors carry a much heavier burden than the people of their congregation. God holds the pastors responsible for the spiritual direction of the people of their churches.
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But Paul had neither did he not?
Are you referring to the persecution of Christians? From what I know, he tried everything to make the people fall back in line with Torah. He wasn't exactly a saint... (oh the irony). I've read a few things about him, prior to converting from Judaism to Christianity, he was an out of control religious zealot. He was involved with the killing of Saint Stephen.
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True.

And all people can be saved from the eternal penalty of their sins.

That doesn't mean that they escape the earthly consequences of their sins.

That doesn't mean that they are all suitable to be church pastors.

Church pastors carry a much heavier burden than the people of their congregation. God holds the pastors responsible for the spiritual direction of the people of their churches.
So people don't really believe in redemption then.
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I'm not trying to antagonize here so please don't take it as such LOL.
I'm not. I just wanted to be sure about your question so I could answer it.

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I'm saying Paul was hated by the world for supporting Christianity and he was hated inside the church for killing other Christians.
The world hated all Christians, and add to that fear of any Christians who seemed to have power behind their convictions. That made Paul seem even more dangerous to them.

As the years passed and Paul proved himself, most Christians came to accept Paul.
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So people don't really believe in redemption then.
Yes, Christians believe in redemption. Our great Redeemer Christ has purchased with His own blood our eternal souls from the power of sin and death. That's what redemption means.
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Yes, Christians believe in redemption. Our great Redeemer Christ has purchased with His own blood our eternal souls from the power of sin and death. That's what redemption means.
Who had to be paid in blood?
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I'm not. I just wanted to be sure about your question so I could answer it.


The world hated all Christians, and add to that fear of any Christians who seemed to have power behind their convictions. That made Paul seem even more dangerous to them.

As the years passed and Paul proved himself, most Christians came to accept Paul.
So, what qualifies one to be redeemed of such crimes (to the point of being a preacher). Also, I don't think the world is a very good judge of ANYTHING. I don't even go to church anymore and I know when a bunch of people get together they're nothing but mindless zombies feeding off of the suggestions of each other. It's like a gigantic stage hypnosis session where EVERYONE is a hypnotist of someone else. The church (which is supposed to ignore this hypnotism) often get's sucked up in it's own version of it. All in all, it's human nature whether you're an Atheist or a Theist IT WILL HAPPEN AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER IN YOUR LIFE. NO ONE thinks independently unless they're hermits. but back to my point. . .

If Jesus said you will be hated by the world, and the world knows me not, how does the world know what is best for the church?
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I know very little about Religion, and I'm not a very religious person. But I do know right from wrong. Would I approve of a man who is the Church's Pastor, or ANY man for that matter, texting underage girls explict messages in Church, even touching the girls inappropriatly, and telling the girls that God approves of it?

Some things are forgivable, but something like this? Would anybody else "approve" of it, even allow it with their underage child? I don't think so. This man who calls himself a Preacher, is just a child predator.

And to allow this man back into another Church to preach, and ban the children from attending?...The children did nothing wrong!
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