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Unread 03-01-2011, 04:26 PM   #1
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Ah, the USA needs this.

Yup, they need balls.

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but... that goes against the American Dream.... the melting pot country
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but... that goes against the American Dream.... the melting pot country
I agree.

Its things like "English is our main language, deal with it" that doesn't exist here...

What happens if we got enough illegals in here and they all voted for a dude that only speaked spanish and won?

OFFFF course that wont happen becuz of the media but, think about it..
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I agree.

Its things like "English is our main language, deal with it" that doesn't exist here...

What happens if we got enough illegals in here and they all voted for a dude that only speaked spanish and won?

OFFFF course that wont happen becuz of the media but, think about it..
wouldn't worry about that since illegals can't vote
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IMMIGRANTS, NOT LOCALS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. We are tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture and what they might do on the excuse of retaliation. Since the conquest and rape, island by island, of Oceania, we have experienced a surge in fear that you would one day come here.

This culture has been developed over FOUR HUNDRED CENTURIES of struggles, trials and develpments by millions of men and women who have sought peaceful lives.

We speak many languages, not just English, so if you want local knowledge, learn the local language!

Most of us believe in the Earth, because it is the Earth which has nurtured and sustained us, and sometimes chastened us if we did not respect it. This is not documented, because ours is a living nation whose valued are passed by word of mouth, parent to child, along with milk and lullabies, we do not hand our culture to the keeping of the ones who can write. It is certainly appropriate to venerate the Earth that is beyond the walls of your schools. If the Earth offends you, then we suggest you consider staying on your boats until you have had time to think better of it. Because the Earth is all of our culture.

We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us and the Earth.

This is OUR NATION upon the EARTH's LAND, it is OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our languages, our values, our refusal to exploit the earth at any cost, before you begin to slaughter us, we highly encourage you take advantage of an opportunity you must feel our forefathers missed, and LEAVE.

If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. We didn't invite you here. You pressed on and on until you came here. So accept the nation upon the land you found.
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...What happens if we got enough illegals in here and they all voted for a dude that only speaked spanish and won?
Last I heard, illegals can't vote.
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Last I heard, illegals can't vote.
Yet many do.....

Even cartoon characters vote
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but... that goes against the American Dream.... the melting pot country
No, that reinforces the melting pot philosophy. As new immigrants (ingredients) arrive (are added to the melting pot), their uniqueness (flavor) is blended into the existing culture (stew). They add spice to the stew but they don't stand out of or take over the stew. The stew maintains its basic character with all the new ingredients blended in.
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I agree.

Its things like "English is our main language, deal with it" that doesn't exist here...

What happens if we got enough illegals in here and they all voted for a dude that only speaked spanish and won?

OFFFF course that wont happen becuz of the media but, think about it..
If they are illegal, then they aren't allowed to vote.
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Yet many do.....

Even cartoon characters vote
But were they legal American cartoon characters?
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No, that reinforces the melting pot philosophy. As new immigrants (ingredients) arrive (are added to the melting pot), their uniqueness (flavor) is blended into the existing culture (stew). They add spice to the stew but they don't stand out of or take over the stew. The stew maintains its basic character with all the new ingredients blended in.
that's not exactly how it works. The "‘IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.. Take It Or Leave It." attitude reeks of ethnocentrism especially Caucasian.

in America - every immigrant's "ingredient" is added to the melting pot. That's why English is not an official language in here.
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No, that reinforces the melting pot philosophy. As new immigrants (ingredients) arrive (are added to the melting pot), their uniqueness (flavor) is blended into the existing culture (stew). They add spice to the stew but they don't stand out of or take over the stew. The stew maintains its basic character with all the new ingredients blended in.
But whose melting pot must the immigrants adhere to? The Native Americans or the English settlers?
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that's not exactly how it works. The "‘IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.. Take It Or Leave It." attitude reeks of ethnocentrism especially Caucasian.

in America - every immigrant's "ingredient" is added to the melting pot. That's why English is not an official language in here.
English is the de facto language of the United States, even if isn't a statute.

Melting pot of language means that English is the base and the immigrants add seasonings. Our business and government documents, for example, should be in English. Our daily conversations should be in English, seasoned with words and phrases from other languages but still English.

Also, it doesn't mean that people can't be bi- or multi-lingual, as long as one of those languages is English.
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English is the de facto language of the United States, even if isn't a statute.

Melting pot of language means that English is the base and the immigrants add seasonings. Our business and government documents, for example, should be in English. Our daily conversations should be in English, seasoned with words and phrases from other languages but still English.

Also, it doesn't mean that people can't be bi- or multi-lingual, as long as one of those languages is English.
language is least of the issue. the biggest issue here is the multi-cultures.

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‘Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.’
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Apparently - one can get a gist that this person wants Australia to be English-only, Christian-only... and as for immigrants - "leave it at your own house."

Do we want that kind of attitude for America?
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English is the de facto language of the United States, even if isn't a statute.
btw.... it's more like English and Spanish are the de facto languages of the United States...
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But whose melting pot must the immigrants adhere to? The Native Americans or the English settlers?
Neither. Until a federal government and borders were established, there was no United States, no melting pot. When that was done, the majority language in use for government and commerce was American English. That became the "pot." As more people immigrated to the United States, they learned English and added flavorings of their native tongues.
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btw.... it's more like English and Spanish are the de facto languages of the United States...
It might seem like that in some areas but it definitely is not true throughout the USA.

If Spanish-speaking people move to the United States for permanent residence, then they should learn English just like the Germans, Russians, Poles, Chinese, Portuguese, etc., did before them.
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It might seem like that in some areas but it definitely is not true throughout the USA.

If Spanish-speaking people move to the United States for permanent residence, then they should learn English just like the Germans, Russians, Poles, Chinese, Portuguese, etc., did before them.
"some areas" outnumbers "throughout the USA" by miles. that's why you see spanish translation pretty much wherever you go.
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As more people immigrated to the United States, they learned English and added flavorings of their native tongues.
that is the American way.... which is opposite of this Australian's agenda
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language is least of the issue. the biggest issue here is the multi-cultures.

This is what this person is saying -

Apparently - one can get a gist that this person wants Australia to be English-only, Christian-only... and as for immigrants - "leave it at your own house."

Do we want that kind of attitude for America?
English speaking, yes.

I didn't see anything that said immigrants had to convert to Christianity. The writer said that immigrants coming to a nation where Christianity is widespread shouldn't expect all signs of Christianity to be hidden or removed for them.
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"some areas" outnumbers "throughout the USA" by miles. that's why you see spanish translation pretty much wherever you go.
If people want to cater to Spanish speakers for business or social reasons, that's their prerogative but it shouldn't be a legal requirement.

If Spanish speakers want to limit their opportunities by not learning English then that's up to them.
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If people want to cater to Spanish speakers for business or social reasons, that's their prerogative but it shouldn't be a legal requirement.

If Spanish speakers want to limit their opportunities by not learning English then that's up to them.
and now that's the American way.... "it's up to you"...

the Artisans Association's agenda is not in agreement with the American way.
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It might seem like that in some areas but it definitely is not true throughout the USA.

If Spanish-speaking people move to the United States for permanent residence, then they should learn English just like the Germans, Russians, Poles, Chinese, Portuguese, etc., did before them.
People are always adapting to the environment they are living in. However, as you should know, the more immigrants move to a specific community, the bigger the presence of their native language. Although this is no reason to be alerted.

Just go to any Chinatown, Little Italy, etc., you will find that people aren't speaking just English. However, people should not be in fear of English vanishing. Although it is always evolving even as we speak. It should be noted English today is not the same English people spoke a hundred years ago. In fact, a lot of words in English are French, Latin, etc.

It's just amusing to see how people get all worked up over a spoken language. Hee.
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in Mexico, it is the law there that any foreigners who want to work must speak and write Spanish. Same thing to be a citizen of Mexico or Japan, one must know Spanish or Japanese. Is that legal????

Jiro, have you ever been to any fast-foods places where a worker behind the counter CAN read your written order??
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in Mexico, it is the law there that any foreigners who want to work must speak and write Spanish. Same thing to be a citizen of Mexico or Japan, one must know Spanish or Japanese. Is that legal????
that's why Japan or Mexico is not a melting pot country.... America is.

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Jiro, have you ever been to any fast-foods places where a worker behind the counter CAN read your written order??
yes. you?
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...It's just amusing to see how people get all worked up over a spoken language. Hee.
If you really want to be amused, visit the threads where people get all worked up over ASL vs. SEE.
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English speaking, yes.

I didn't see anything that said immigrants had to convert to Christianity. The writer said that immigrants coming to a nation where Christianity is widespread shouldn't expect all signs of Christianity to be hidden or removed for them.
no. the writer is basically saying - "ya'all should get used to our Christian belief or get out". I'm disturbed by his language -

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again - that is against American Constitution - the Separation of Powers. This is the country that respects ALL religions and ALL cultures under one flag. We do not ask them to respect our Christian belief. This is the country where people of all races, religions, and colors can live together in harmony and govern this country without a certain religious affiliation.
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but... that goes against the American Dream.... the melting pot country
Sharia law goes against absolutely everything that is American. It is the antithesis of the American dream. Sane Muslims are welcome (and as far as I'm concerned, invited) to come and make their contributions to American society. However, the fact that we're the melting pot does not mean we have to sit idly by while crazies try to impose sharia law. Fortunately, most of our Muslims are sane, so the imposition of sharia law isn't any danger now. However, the same can't be said for Europe. Their leaders have pretty much figured out that multiculturalism (which is the opposite of the melting pot) is garbage.
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