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Unread 09-18-2009, 04:09 AM   #1
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Agree or Not?

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well - do you agree or not?


*it's a pix of President Bush with a frown. caption - "so we'll hate him. because he can take it. because he's not our hero. he's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. a dark knight."
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Unread 09-18-2009, 05:13 AM   #2
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I don't know what to say. I know he will be around while he will figure it out to get people's attentions back in a short time. hahaha I don't hate him. He made bad choices.
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Unread 09-18-2009, 05:24 AM   #3
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I don't hate him... I just hated the bad choices he made that has deeply impacted our country in a bad way.
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Unread 09-18-2009, 08:42 AM   #4
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Unread 09-18-2009, 09:04 AM   #5
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Unread 09-18-2009, 10:13 AM   #6
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I don't hate him.
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Unread 09-18-2009, 10:16 AM   #7
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I threw up in my mouth reading that. I believe that deep down inside, he is a disgusting person. I believe he is greedy, selfish, and full of hate.
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Unread 09-18-2009, 10:34 AM   #8
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I threw up in my mouth reading that. I believe that deep down inside, he is a disgusting person. I believe he is greedy, selfish, and full of hate.
But what about his abilities as a leader?
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Unread 09-18-2009, 10:54 AM   #9
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...deep down inside, he is a disgusting person. I believe he is greedy, selfish, and full of hate.
If someone said that about President Obama, would that be a racist statement?

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Unread 09-18-2009, 10:59 AM   #10
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...deep down inside, he is a disgusting person. I believe he is greedy, selfish, and full of hate.[/QUOTE]
If someone said that about President Obama, would that be a racist statement?[/QUOTE]

Haha, Reba; speaking of racism, the word does not carry nearly the same impact it once did because too many people have trigger-fingered to pull out the race card, have cried wolf way too many times......
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Unread 09-18-2009, 12:44 PM   #11
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If someone said that about President Obama, would that be a racist statement?
Only if they said it because of his race. Like "all black people are..." or "Obama is (because he's black)..."
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Unread 09-18-2009, 12:52 PM   #12
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You can compare Bush to a monkey because he's white. You can't compare Obama to a monkey because it carries the horrible connotation that African Americans are "jungle monkeys." Get the difference?
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Unread 09-18-2009, 03:08 PM   #13
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I guess if Bush had a Learning Disability, and they painted him a picture of a monkey (because they think he has a brain of a monkey) , it would be insult to all people who have a LD, right?
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Unread 09-18-2009, 03:43 PM   #14
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Yes, Lighthouse, I would call that an insult to LD people. That's not acceptable.
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Unread 09-18-2009, 03:47 PM   #15
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I personally dont know him but didnt like him as a leader.
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Unread 09-18-2009, 03:56 PM   #16
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Only if they said it because of his race. Like "all black people are..." or "Obama is (because he's black)..."
Therefor, the current criticisms of Obama's presidency are not racist, correct?
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Unread 09-18-2009, 03:59 PM   #17
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You can compare Bush to a monkey because he's white. You can't compare Obama to a monkey because it carries the horrible connotation that African Americans are "jungle monkeys." Get the difference?
So what can Obama be compared to safely that wouldn't have a racist connotation?
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Unread 09-18-2009, 03:59 PM   #18
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Pictures of tribal witch doctors speak for themselves.
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Unread 09-18-2009, 04:05 PM   #19
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well - do you agree or not?
I never hated him, and he did seem able to "take it." He doesn't publicly criticize past presidents or the current President.

I agreed with the way he handled many things, and I also disagreed with the way he handled many things.

We'll probably never know how many attacks after 9/11 were thwarted because of his decisions.
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Unread 09-18-2009, 04:20 PM   #20
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Agreed with the picture. I think he did try his best. He didn't care about popularity on him, and he wanted to keep country safe. Now, I think there were no terrorists in the America soil since September 11, 2001 to January 20, 2009. I remember some members on Internet did say they felt so safe when Bush was a president.

Do I hate him? No, not at all.
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Unread 09-18-2009, 04:23 PM   #21
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Pictures of tribal witch doctors speak for themselves.
But that didn't answer my question.

Are these pictures are OK?

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures...ctor--8441.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_L6pDyjqqsv...tch+doctor.jpg
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Unread 09-18-2009, 05:39 PM   #22
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Agreed with the picture. I think he did try his best. He didn't care about popularity on him, and he wanted to keep country safe. Now, I think there were no terrorists in the America soil since September 11, 2001 to January 20, 2009. I remember some members on Internet did say they felt so safe when Bush was a president.

Do I hate him? No, not at all.
No, I don't hate him, and yes, I think he tried his best. I think he was a strong president, with basically a good heart, and patriotic. I felt the same way with Nixon. I really don't see how anyone can "hate" the president of the United States??? Dislike him, yes...but hate? No.
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Unread 09-18-2009, 06:16 PM   #23
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You know, it's funny how we are at the point where we say we hate Bush and the likes of that. I'm sure EVERY presidents has had his own flaws to begin with.

Bush may have thought he was doing the right thing as per interest in protecting this country. He may have done some complimentary actions just as others has done. But, Does that make it wrong? Maybe yes. Maybe not.

There are a lot of things that I don't condone of what Bush has done but it does not mean that I would hate him for his decision. Just as much as Obama is doing, Obama is trying to think of the right thing to do in order to bring vitality for everyone. Hence, we may agree or disagree on many things.

The bottom line is, Not Bush can make everyone happy. Obama can't make everyone happy too. We all can't make everyone happy either.
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Unread 09-18-2009, 06:24 PM   #24
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I never really paid any attention to Bush. I means the only thing I got against him is the fact he didn't respect Iraq's sovereignty. He made the right call regarding Afghanistan though.

Other than that, he did what he thought was right, and not everyone will agree with everything. It's not like he is the worst president in the history of the United States. Besides everyone knows that administrative staff has more power over the nation and her people than the President himself.
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Unread 09-18-2009, 06:28 PM   #25
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Those pics are funny. The point, I think, is that Bush is not a black person. It's just not credible to depict Bush as a witchdoctor. The stereotype of the primitive, ignorant black witch doctor applies to black people. It doesn't apply to white people. It doesn't have the same connotation. Sure, it's tacky and in poor taste but it's not a credible attack on Bush's race.

It's like sexism. When a man makes a stereotypical comment about hysterical, shrill women who drive poorly, that's sexism. Say the same thing about a man and it's not the same. Men haven't been traditionally dismissed as hysterical, incompetent people. Does that make sense?
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Unread 09-18-2009, 06:59 PM   #26
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Nah, dont hate him. Just glad the Bush regime is over... sigh.
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Unread 09-18-2009, 08:15 PM   #27
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I'm not going to say I liked the man, but I also didn't hate him. I never had to worry about him because I'm not American. I think Americans could have done better, because Lord knows Bush just got into office because his daddy was once the president as well.

As for the "dark knight" stuff? :bsflag:
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Unread 09-19-2009, 02:21 AM   #28
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I personally dont know him but didnt like him as a leader.
As private person, he has a good sense of humor and as president of the USA, he was not a good leader.



Answer Jiroīs question.

No, I donīt hate him but I donīt like him as leader.
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Unread 09-19-2009, 02:27 AM   #29
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I don't hate him as a person cause I don't know him personally. But I do hate the most of the decisions he made and refused to make as president.
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Unread 09-19-2009, 02:28 AM   #30
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Those pics are funny. The point, I think, is that Bush is not a black person. It's just not credible to depict Bush as a witchdoctor. The stereotype of the primitive, ignorant black witch doctor applies to black people. It doesn't apply to white people. It doesn't have the same connotation. Sure, it's tacky and in poor taste but it's not a credible attack on Bush's race.

It's like sexism. When a man makes a stereotypical comment about hysterical, shrill women who drive poorly, that's sexism. Say the same thing about a man and it's not the same. Men haven't been traditionally dismissed as hysterical, incompetent people. Does that make sense?
Absolutely makes sense. It doesn't work when it doesn't play on pre-existing notions.
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