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Unread 11-26-2008, 01:33 PM   #1
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Question Blu-ray discs and players with real CC

Does anyone know of any blu-ray discs that have CC and blu-ray players that support CC?

I'm talking about actual CC here, not subtitles or SDH (Subtitled for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing). This means that you need to use the yellow video jack on the back of the blu-ray player, connect to the yellow video jack on the TV, and turn captioning on with the TV.

I bought the Aliens vs. Predators blu-ray because it said CC on the back, but there's no CC on line 21 of the composite video coming out of my Sharp blu-ray player.

All I want to know is whether anyone has found any blu-ray disc/player combo and been able to get good-old-fashioned line 21 CC on the composite video output.

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I don't think so due digital issue, Banjo should explain about that.

Almost all BD movies have SDH.
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I don't think so due digital issue, Banjo should explain about that.

Almost all BD movies have SDH.
Yes, it's pointless to have CC when there are rare HDTV that allow CC get in to be appear on display.
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Does anyone know of any blu-ray discs that have CC and blu-ray players that support CC?

I'm talking about actual CC here, not subtitles or SDH (Subtitled for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing). This means that you need to use the yellow video jack on the back of the blu-ray player, connect to the yellow video jack on the TV, and turn captioning on with the TV.

I bought the Aliens vs. Predators blu-ray because it said CC on the back, but there's no CC on line 21 of the composite video coming out of my Sharp blu-ray player.

All I want to know is whether anyone has found any blu-ray disc/player combo and been able to get good-old-fashioned line 21 CC on the composite video output.

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You mean to say that there is no CC decoder built into any blu-ray players?
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You mean to say that there is no CC decoder built into any blu-ray players?
Yeah, because it's pretty much the standard to include SDH tracks on Blu-ray discs these days. I know it's not the best solution, but that's what they came to.
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Yeah, because it's pretty much the standard to include SDH tracks on Blu-ray discs these days. I know it's not the best solution, but that's what they came to.
Well that helps alot when it comes to playing DVD's in blu-ray players.
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Well that helps alot when it comes to playing DVD's in blu-ray players.
Play DVD can get CC directly from TV, not player.
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Play DVD can get CC directly from TV, not player.
Not if connected by HDMI and wanted to upconvert the movie you're watching.

I got some DVD's that only has caption and no subtitles.
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Not if connected by HDMI and wanted to upconvert the movie you're watching.

I got some DVD's that only has caption and no subtitles.
Well, there's no option then you have live with CC directly to TV if you need watch DVD movie with CC.

Just add composite or S-video to TV as 2nd cable, just save for case if you need watch DVD with CC.
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Well, there's no option then you have live with CC directly to TV if you need watch DVD movie with CC.

Just add composite or S-video to TV as 2nd cable, just save for case if you need watch DVD with CC.
That is what is so stupid! Why should we have to do all that when they can just add CC decoder into Blu-ray and they won't even notice the cost of adding it. I want the best of Blu-ray like everybody else.
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IF i got my own hdtv television somedays and if i chose blu-ray dvds i wouldn't get that one! but i had tons dvds as non blu-rays dvds my choices! but i look dvd with cc but you can simple for says "languages" english!
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IF i got my own hdtv television somedays and if i chose blu-ray dvds i wouldn't get that one! but i had tons dvds as non blu-rays dvds my choices! but i look dvd with cc but you can simple for says "languages" english!
What is your next plan when the DVDs stops making and produces Blu Ray Discs instead, hmm?
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What is your next plan when the DVDs stops making and produces Blu Ray Discs instead, hmm?
Almost blu-ray players business is good growing now. Switch beta to VHS then VHS to DVD now I think that would switch dvd to blu ray next few years. Blu ray to small 3D disc???
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They stop supporting CC on HDTV when using in HDMI input/output only because of "digtal". As long you are using A/V you will be fine, since it still support CC.
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technology is what we fear, Chevy57.

Nathan, does the A?C support the same picture as in HDMI Support?
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Nathan, does the A?C support the same picture as in HDMI Support?
I mean A/V. No, different quality Jake. A/V good, HDMI Best. You get to experience full High Definition. A/V is old school.
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My DVD player has converting to `080p and I don't see the difference, I have not seen the picture via HDMI though, where I need to get the PS3 as I can play Blu Ray Disc movies
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Don't forget, you can play DVD on Blu Ray players..
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of course, secretblend! They have back campabilies, indeed.
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Good thing for that! I remember when they came out with DVDs. My thought was, what about all those tapes I have! Of course, had to replace them all.
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My DVD player has converting to `080p and I don't see the difference, I have not seen the picture via HDMI though, where I need to get the PS3 as I can play Blu Ray Disc movies
HDMI vs. Analog Video
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Good thing for that! I remember when they came out with DVDs. My thought was, what about all those tapes I have! Of course, had to replace them all.
VHS has been for many years, it's old school now. We phrased most of our VHS and we have over 300 DVDs For myself, I have over 150!

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Does anyone know of any blu-ray discs that have CC and blu-ray players that support CC?

I'm talking about actual CC here, not subtitles or SDH (Subtitled for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing). This means that you need to use the yellow video jack on the back of the blu-ray player, connect to the yellow video jack on the TV, and turn captioning on with the TV.

I bought the Aliens vs. Predators blu-ray because it said CC on the back, but there's no CC on line 21 of the composite video coming out of my Sharp blu-ray player.

All I want to know is whether anyone has found any blu-ray disc/player combo and been able to get good-old-fashioned line 21 CC on the composite video output.

Thanks!
This is the digital age...it would be pretty complicated to get the "analog" captioning on the digital video players where its not really related to analog.

I wouldnt really worry abt it as long as the movies have subtitles where captions are absent, it's still good for the deaf audience to enjoy the movies anyway.
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Right, Nathan Use both composite and component cable in my Sony Blu ray player while playing dvd movies with closed caption. HDMI don't support CC. then play Blu-ray movie with subtitle (CC) in HDMI. Closed caption subtitles in blu-ray movie are very clear and sharpen (not blur) than dvd movie.
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Does anyone know of any blu-ray discs that have CC and blu-ray players that support CC?

I'm talking about actual CC here, not subtitles or SDH (Subtitled for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing). This means that you need to use the yellow video jack on the back of the blu-ray player, connect to the yellow video jack on the TV, and turn captioning on with the TV.

I bought the Aliens vs. Predators blu-ray because it said CC on the back, but there's no CC on line 21 of the composite video coming out of my Sharp blu-ray player.

All I want to know is whether anyone has found any blu-ray disc/player combo and been able to get good-old-fashioned line 21 CC on the composite video output.

Thanks!
Geez! I have same issue about some of deaf people do not care about it because of new way and cheaper to use subtitles instead of Close Caption. There another issue pop up on all brand new DVD player are no longer support (CC) also there is a new kind of jack on back of TVs or DVD players called HDMI do not support (CC). It is BS because if I want to record TV shows in future use by blu-ray record and this will not save your (CC) signal to make the texts display on TV. Now, back to the point: Blu-Ray movies use subtitles know as SDH and some case label say (CC) are worthless. I did talk to Sony and nothing stop them unless someone stand up and fix the FCC rules. Again, The subtitle look good on 1080P via Blu-Ray compare to regular DVD have ugly subtitles which I rather use (CC) but no longer use it anymore on newer movie on DVD. Unless as I say again, some of us need to make some action to do this.
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Geez! I have same issue about some of deaf people do not care about it because of new way and cheaper to use subtitles instead of Close Caption.
When I first came here, I was expecting couple deaf people would complain about cheapy subtitles on Blu-Ray. I was surprised the react from this forum that they said "they don't have closed caption, but it have subtitles. Oh well, it's better than nothing." And no one really complained about it. I was, like, WTF? Using subtitles are probably the most difficult way to follow the conversation between actors - especially at same time which you cannot tell which said which.

Universal Studio DVD/Blu-Ray are only ones that used "special" subtitles that uses very similar with black/white closed caption. Why not other studios follow Universal Studio's way? That would make everything easier.

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There another issue pop up on all brand new DVD player are no longer support (CC) also there is a new kind of jack on back of TVs or DVD players called HDMI do not support (CC). It is BS because if I want to record TV shows in future use by blu-ray record and this will not save your (CC) signal to make the texts display on TV. Now, back to the point: Blu-Ray movies use subtitles know as SDH and some case label say (CC) are worthless. I did talk to Sony and nothing stop them unless someone stand up and fix the FCC rules. Again, The subtitle look good on 1080P via Blu-Ray compare to regular DVD have ugly subtitles which I rather use (CC) but no longer use it anymore on newer movie on DVD. Unless as I say again, some of us need to make some action to do this.
Actually, there are three cables - HDMI, DVI, and Component - that will not carry so-called "Line-21." Some Blu-Rays has CC on it because if you hook up your Blu-Ray to S-video port or composite, it will show CC (that's what I've read).
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What is your next plan when the DVDs stops making and produces Blu Ray Discs instead, hmm?
It would going not happen until 10 years.
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Blu-ray movie discs to outsell DVDs in 2011? :shrug:

Blu-ray may have won the high-def format war, but it still has a tough fight in its hands which is to get customers to actually ditch the standard DVD format. And though adoption has been rather slow for the format – thanks in part to the still relatively high price tag for equipment – Sony claims Blu-ray discs could outsell DVDs in three year’s time.

According to Tim Meade, Asia Pacific vice president for Sony Pictures Home Entertainment, global sales of Blu-ray discs are expected to increase from 9 percent in 2007 to 25 percent by the end of this year. The rise in sales will be fueled by the introduction of more discs and lower-priced Blu-ray players and should reach a ratio of roughly 40:60 compared to DVD in 2010.

Blu-ray would supposedly take the lead a year later. Sony is the main proponent of the high-def format, so their big claims are to be expected. If they are accurate, however, Blu-ray would still have to face another growing threat: digital distribution. Of course, digital distribution still can’t match the video and sound quality offerings of a disc-based medium but, hopefully with the proper infrastructure and bandwidth, in a few years it will.

Blu-ray movie discs to outsell DVDs in 2011 - TechSpot News
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