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Unread 10-14-2008, 01:02 PM   #1
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Nutty Attacks On ACORN

Civil Rights-- Nutty Attacks On ACORN

In recent weeks, conservatives have escalated their attacks on ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. Conservative lawmakers were able to remove a provision aimed at aiding low-income housing programs from the Bush administration’s $700 billion economic bailout bill by calling it a "slush fund" for ACORN. Before that, conservatives blamed ACORN for "precipitating the subprime crisis." And last week, they alleged that the "purpose" of ACORN is to engage in voter fraud. However, as columnist Joel McNally correctly noted, the "underlying motive for attacking ACORN" seems to be that it is the "nation's largest grassroots community organization of low- and moderate-income people." "It is an organization that engages in that dreaded community organizing," McNally wrote. "It actually tries to give a voice to the poor and most vulnerable among us." Indeed, after years of enacting policies catering to the wealthy, the right-wing seems to be fearful of millions of new low-income voters registered by ACORN casting their ballots in favor of progressive policies.

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Political Punch - Obama on ACORN Controversy: "A Distraction... We Don't Need ACORN's Help"
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I find that when I'm channel surfing, Fox News is like that carton of milk way past its expiration date, taunting you from the back of the refrigerator. You KNOW it's gonna smell, but still you open it up and take a whiff. by: bc68251 on February 21, 2006
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The Truth About Voter Fraud

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A Conservative Myth that Makes Voting Harder

As the 2008 election process draws near -- and with early voting in many states having already begun -- conservatives are raising a great hue and cry about the threat of voter fraud. Attacks have centered on the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), the "nation's largest grassroots community organization of low- and moderate-income people," whose workers have registered 1.3 million new voters this year. Conservatives like Rep. Tom Feeney (R-FL) and former Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell have seized on reports of improperly filled-out forms as evidence of "lawlessness" and "voting fraud," which will lead to "the kind of chaos you expect from a category-five hurricane." But mass voter fraud is just a conservative myth used to justify increasing the difficulty of the voting process. In an interview with Salon, Lori Minnite, a professor of political science at Barnard College who investigated allegations of widespread voter fraud, explained, "From 2002 to 2005 only one person was found guilty of registration fraud. Twenty people were found guilty of voting while ineligible and five people were found guilty of voting more than once. That's 26 criminal voters -- voters who vote twice, impersonate other people, vote without being a resident ... Meanwhile thousands of people are getting turned away at the polls."

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I find that when I'm channel surfing, Fox News is like that carton of milk way past its expiration date, taunting you from the back of the refrigerator. You KNOW it's gonna smell, but still you open it up and take a whiff. by: bc68251 on February 21, 2006
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Thanks for the thread, Boult. Lol, that is some smear campaign on ACORN, tsk tsk. One thing to keep in mind is that fraudulent voter registrations do not mean fraudulent votes, since someone who registered to vote 100 times can only vote once at the polls. (The fraudulent voter registration happens because the ACORN workers are paid by the number of voter registrations they bring in, thus increasing the temptation [or likelihood] of escalating the actual number of voter registrations, but that's another story entirely.) Voter fraud is a minor problem at the polls compared to voter intimidation, voter misinformation campaigns, and barriers to voting commonly set up in conservative states, such as Voter ID laws. In fact, just yesterday the Federal court ruled that Ohio must check voter registrations before proceeding further. The Associated Press: Federal court: Ohio must check voter registrations It will be interesting to see what next happens in the next couple weeks.
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I'm not surprised that conservatives are once again attacking an organization that helps the less-fortunate. I've pointed out in another thread about voter fraud that McCain once praised ACORN, etc.
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YouTube - The Lowdown on ACORN
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I'm not surprised that conservatives are once again attacking an organization that helps the less-fortunate. I've pointed out in another thread about voter fraud that McCain once praised ACORN, etc.
What kind of cars are these folks driving, Brad? Just like regular charities, I don't contribute one single penny because of the people who head them get such exorbant salaries that very little, if any, goes to the actual cause of helping people. Check their records before whipping out your checkbook to write any charity a donation, Brad.
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FactCheck.org: ACORN Accusations
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But so far ACORN itself has not been officially charged with any fraud. Aside from the heated charges and counter-charges, no evidence has yet surfaced to show that the ACORN employees who submitted fraudulent registration forms intended to pave the way for illegal voting. Rather, they were trying to get paid by ACORN for doing no work. Dan Satterberg, the Republican prosecuting attorney in King County, Wash., where the largest ACORN case to date was prosecuted, said that the indicted ACORN employees were shirking responsibility, not plotting election fraud.
Daily Kos:Factchecking the lies about ACORN

Daily Kos: Republican Arrested for Voter Registration Fraud
That's big difference from what ACORN's employees did!
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State and local investigators allege that Mark Jacoby fraudulently registered himself to vote at a childhood California address where he no longer lives so he would appear to meet the legal requirement that signature gatherers be eligible to vote in California.

Think Progress » GOP operative arrested for voter fraud in California.

Think Progress » CNN fact-check: ‘This is looking like a fraud committed against ACORN.’
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I find that when I'm channel surfing, Fox News is like that carton of milk way past its expiration date, taunting you from the back of the refrigerator. You KNOW it's gonna smell, but still you open it up and take a whiff. by: bc68251 on February 21, 2006
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Yeah, where's the outrage over the arrest of that Republican?

Oh right, he's a Republican. It's O.K for him to do that.
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Maxine Waters and Acorn speaker promote "the next President of the United States" Obama at Acorn convention.

YouTube - ACORN Convention - Maxine Waters Speaks About Obama

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YouTube - The Lowdown on ACORN

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YouTube - OBAMA CAUGHT SAYING ACORN AND FRIENDS WILL SHAPE HIS PRESIDENTIAL AGENDA
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Maxine Waters and Acorn speaker promote "the next President of the United States" Obama at Acorn convention.

YouTube - ACORN Convention - Maxine Waters Speaks About Obama

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YouTube - The Lowdown on ACORN

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YouTube - OBAMA CAUGHT SAYING ACORN AND FRIENDS WILL SHAPE HIS PRESIDENTIAL AGENDA
Think Progress » Video: Attacks on ACORN are part of a long-running right-wing campaign of voter suppression.
A new video from Brave New Films makes the case that recent fear-mongering claims of “voter fraud” are part of a long-running right-wing campaign to suppress the vote. As evidence, the video documents this statement made in 1980 by conservative activist Paul Weyrich:

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They want everybody to vote! I don’t want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people – they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections, quite candidly, goes up as the voting populace goes down.
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YouTube - Help spread the truth about ACORN
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I find that when I'm channel surfing, Fox News is like that carton of milk way past its expiration date, taunting you from the back of the refrigerator. You KNOW it's gonna smell, but still you open it up and take a whiff. by: bc68251 on February 21, 2006
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I find that when I'm channel surfing, Fox News is like that carton of milk way past its expiration date, taunting you from the back of the refrigerator. You KNOW it's gonna smell, but still you open it up and take a whiff. by: bc68251 on February 21, 2006
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Think Progress » Video: Attacks on ACORN are part of a long-running right-wing campaign of voter suppression.
A new video from Brave New Films makes the case that recent fear-mongering claims of “voter fraud” are part of a long-running right-wing campaign to suppress the vote. As evidence, the video documents this statement made in 1980 by conservative activist Paul Weyrich:

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YouTube - Help spread the truth about ACORN
I saw the video on TV with Maxine Waters and the other woman (a uniformed member of ACORN), give their "non-partisan" speeches endorsing and promoting Obama for President, at the ACORN convention (or should I say Obama rally). There is no denying that this supposedly unbiased, non-partisan group wants to get the vote for Obama. They said so at their rally.
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I still wonder what kind of cars the leaders of this "nonpartisan" group drive . . .
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Ontario police arrest man in voter fraud case - Los Angeles Times

Fears of fraud plague voters, counters alike :: Elections :: Post-Tribune

High court rejects GOP in Ohio voting dispute - Decision '08 - MSNBC.com

Ben Smith's Blog: Two kinds of fraud - Politico.com

Plenty of evidence that the GOP engages in voter suppression/fraud while accusing Democrats of it. Typical. Typical. Typical.
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Is this non-partisan?

"After calling the current administration 'the worst president this country has ever had,' Waters stressed the importance of getting every American registered to vote so that we can seize the opportunity to elect Sen. Barack Obama as the next president."
ACORN: Article[tt_news]=22217&tx_ttnews[backPid]=12340&cHash=f6a026039e

"Now Obama is the presumptive nominee, he stands to be the President of the United States of America."
YouTube - ACORN Convention - Maxine Waters Speaks About Obama
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Non-partisan?

ACORN spokeswoman at their convention:

"We're getting Obama for President. Obama needs us, ACORN, but we need Obama! Our goal . . . is to get out the vote. . . We're going to help Obama win!"

(Each segment followed by much cheering and applause.)
YouTube - OBAMA'S ACORN EXPOSED PART 2 OF 2
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Also from the ACORN convention:

"Because Obama is our dream and the dram of every American that loves justice . . . Welcome, President Obama!"

John Edwards also asked ACORN to organize and support Obama for President.

Non-partisan?
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More non-partisan statements from the ACORN convention:

Rep. Carolyn Cheeks-Kilpatrick (D-MI) said, "We need all of you [ACORN members] to mobilize so Barrack Obama wins!"
YouTube - OBAMA'S ACORN EXPOSED PART 1 OF 2
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DETROIT -- Former Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards used a rousing speech on combating poverty Monday to promote Barack Obama as a president who will best address economic hardship, the United States' standing abroad and inequality in education.

With his trademark Southern accent, Edwards said Republican candidate John McCain will build a wall around progress to low-income people, but promised Obama "will tear it down" as president.

"It's time to have an economy that works for everybody," said Edwards, the former senator from North Carolina. "It is a moral outrage that kids go to bed hungry. We can end the shame of 37 million people living in poverty."

Edwards, once an Obama rival for the presidential nomination, spoke on the final day of the ACORN national conference at Cobo Center.
Detnews.com | This article is no longer available online | The Detroit News | detnews.com

John Edwards said at the convention:

"But if you want change, if you believe in your heart and soul that anything is possible, then lock arms with me, walk hand-in-hand and let's march to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and put Barack Obama in the Presidency, and make America what it's capable of being. We can do this together. Yes we can. Yes we can, and we will."
Open Left:: Edwards @ ACORN: Yes we can, and we will.
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If in doubt, check out the webcasts from ACORN itself.

ACORN: Webcast Archive
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Reba, Republicans has been attacking ACORN for years and shun them and doesn't want ACORN to help Republicans to get more votes for their republican nominee... so who's the only democratic nominee?

The last six posts of yours is not helping... We all know it is the work of republicans to employ a voters suppression.

Daily Kos: Faux Scandal in Indiana, Part I: Mountains Out of Molehills

Daily Kos: Faux Scandal in Indiana, Part II: This Is How The GOP Suppression Gambit Works

Anyway, we all know ACORN are not bad organization. It is GOP that are messing with us about ACORN. that's all to it. Cheers!
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I find that when I'm channel surfing, Fox News is like that carton of milk way past its expiration date, taunting you from the back of the refrigerator. You KNOW it's gonna smell, but still you open it up and take a whiff. by: bc68251 on February 21, 2006
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Reba, Republicans has been attacking ACORN for years and shun them and doesn't want ACORN to help Republicans to get more votes for their republican nominee... so who's the only democratic nominee?

The last six posts of yours is not helping... We all know it is the work of republicans to employ a voters suppression.

Daily Kos: Faux Scandal in Indiana, Part I: Mountains Out of Molehills

Daily Kos: Faux Scandal in Indiana, Part II: This Is How The GOP Suppression Gambit Works

Anyway, we all know ACORN are not bad organization. It is GOP that are messing with us about ACORN. that's all to it. Cheers!
Exactly, I have agree with you.

I had asked my hearing friend about ACORN and said it's not bad organization either, also republican has been nut on like that.

Speaking of no republican nominee, republican isn't right of point for most working class and low income Americans.
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Reba, Republicans has been attacking ACORN for years and shun them and doesn't want ACORN to help Republicans to get more votes for their republican nominee... so who's the only democratic nominee?

The last six posts of yours is not helping... We all know it is the work of republicans to employ a voters suppression.

Daily Kos: Faux Scandal in Indiana, Part I: Mountains Out of Molehills

Daily Kos: Faux Scandal in Indiana, Part II: This Is How The GOP Suppression Gambit Works

Anyway, we all know ACORN are not bad organization. It is GOP that are messing with us about ACORN. that's all to it. Cheers!
I've posted ACORN's own webcast videos. How is Daily Kos a reliable source?
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I know you did. you are changing subject. you are trying to tell me they are partisan because they wanted Obama. that's not the issue.

The issue is that Republicans claims that ACORN committed VOTER FRAUD when in fact there's none and it is just voter registration fraud committed AGAINST ACORN.

That's why I created this thread.

ACORN is not able to do voter fraud at all because a voter has to show up at the polling station to vote with fake name or fake information or vote repeatedly under different alias then that would be voter fraud. That hasn't happened.
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I know you did. you are changing subject. you are trying to tell me they are partisan because they wanted Obama. that's not the issue.
Their partisanship is the motivation behind their methods.
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their methods?
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Their unethical registration methods.

BTW, I like your play on words for this thread's title.
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