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Unread 06-16-2006, 04:05 PM   #1
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ABC Cards are part of deaf culture!

We've just redesigned the ABC cards.

Theyre "ABC booklets" now and current on the signs. In September we will freely distribute these booklets to the deaf sellers who will sell them to people and on the back of the booklets has informaton on making donations to our deaf center so we can continue to give these free booklets to the deaf to sell.

Http://www.deafadvocacy.org/communit...tprototype.jpg

It'll be a win-win for the deaf community members and our deaf center!

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Unread 06-16-2006, 05:31 PM   #2
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We've just redesigned the ABC cards.

Theyre "ABC booklets" now and current on the signs. In September we will freely distribute these booklets to the deaf sellers who will sell them to people and on the back of the booklets has informaton on making donations to our deaf center so we can continue to give these free booklets to the deaf to sell.

Http://www.deafadvocacy.org/communit...tprototype.jpg

It'll be a win-win for the deaf community members and our deaf center!

Richard
Give me a break... You don't see Hispanics going around selling Spanish words to learn around here. Come on give me a break.. Be like every American they can all go get a job! No it is NOT a win-win - it shows that we are TOO lazy to go out and get a job like every other American. And if you distribute it for free for the deaf then you should distribute it for free for the hearing.
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Unread 06-16-2006, 06:46 PM   #3
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We pass out almost similar cards to the hearing people FREE at the county fair.

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Unread 06-16-2006, 10:54 PM   #4
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We pass out almost similar cards to the hearing people FREE at the county fair.
Yes, but you're encouraging deaf peddling. Is that really the way to demonstrate to hearing people that deaf people can achieve, can integrate into normal society, can live a normal life? Or will it continue the stereotype of deaf people as lazy, or incapable/incompetent, and dependent on alms?
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Unread 06-16-2006, 11:07 PM   #5
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Yes, but you're encouraging deaf peddling. Is that really the way to demonstrate to hearing people that deaf people can achieve, can integrate into normal society, can live a normal life? Or will it continue the stereotype of deaf people as lazy, or incapable/incompetent, and dependent on alms?
I cannot stand peddling from any kind of people, deaf or not. It's very annoying.
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richard this is the VERY fundamental reason why we have NO respect for you.......

for one thing.........

DEAF PEDDLERS ARE THE MOST EMBARRASSING TYPE OF POSTION TO HOLD!

2ndly yr stupid in everyway for doing this.. encouraging this type of pratice you say it will be a win win situation NOT!

you want them to have a job refer them to the EDD they ll get a job before the week's out....
ur an embarrassment to the deaf community! RMFE
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Unread 06-16-2006, 11:43 PM   #7
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Sure throw your bricks at me but this is one of the backbones of deaf culture whether you like it or not.

It's called free enterprise they'll be selling booklets not begging.

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Yes, but you're encouraging deaf peddling.
Peddling is same a selling. Nothing wrong with it. I seen a peddler sell the Meyer cards in the LA skyscrapers and make over 700 bucks a day. In fact you'd make a lot more money faster and sooner than these illegal pyramid schemes many deafs been falling for.

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Unread 06-16-2006, 11:54 PM   #9
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Peddling is same a selling. Nothing wrong with it. I seen a peddler sell the Meyer cards in the LA skyscrapers and make over 700 bucks a day. In fact you'd make a lot more money faster and sooner than these illegal pyramid schemes many deafs been falling for.

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What does Meyer card look like?
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you want them to have a job refer them to the EDD they ll get a job before the week's out....
I tried that but all the jobs here on OC gone to the undocumented residents.

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What does Meyer card look like?
ABC cards designed by Robert Herbert Meyer of San Francisco.

http://www.deafadvocacy.org/community/freebies/des.pdf

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Peddling is same a selling. Nothing wrong with it. I seen a peddler sell the Meyer cards in the LA skyscrapers and make over 700 bucks a day. In fact you'd make a lot more money faster and sooner than these illegal pyramid schemes many deafs been falling for.

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I don't believe you. :bsflag:
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I don't believe you. :bsflag:
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Unread 06-17-2006, 02:35 PM   #14
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I don't believe you. :bsflag:
Sure ask Jimbo who done it all the time. And try it yourself, you be surprised. I could do this myself Monday morning if you want and show you how much I get in a day. I'll even photograph it and post it here for you to see yourself! And of course I'll donate it all to the deaf center.

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Unread 06-17-2006, 02:59 PM   #15
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I have encountered Deaf peddlers in the past, and I am well aware how much money can can really rake in on good days. Still, due to my limited experience with these individuals, they were usually immigrants w/o valid documentation, or were low-functioning. Especially if the Deaf peddler was low-functioning, there was an individual running the ring and exploiting them. Either way, I refuse to contribute to these individuals. Any monies I donate, I would direct it to local DHH agencies instead.

I am also well aware that these Deaf peddlers are vastly outnumbered by 1,000's of hearing people asking for alms, contributions, etc. on street corners and busy pedestrian sidewalks. Despite their miniscule numbers in the overall scheme of things, Deaf peddlers' impact on mainstream society's perceptions of Deaf people is vastly over-magnified. After all, no one would think all soldiers are bums, upon encountering a disabled soldier on the sidewalk begging for money.

Has it ever occurred to you that it would negatively affect your agency and its mission? What if one of your major donors happened to encounter a Deaf peddler and saw your agency's name? Wouldn't your promotion of Deaf peddlers miscontradict your agency's mission and your work in DHH advocacy? Also, I find it curious you would 'chase' after donors who give a buck or two to Deaf peddlers, in vain hopes they would follow up on the pamphlet. That's selling your agency short!

Frankly, I couldn't be more disappointed in your actions regarding your agency. I truly and sincerely hope you will reconsider this course of action and explore positive avenues in raising the profile of your agency and promoting the cause of employing DHH people.
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Sure ask Jimbo who done it all the time. And try it yourself, you be surprised. I could do this myself Monday morning if you want and show you how much I get in a day. I'll even photograph it and post it here for you to see yourself! And of course I'll donate it all to the deaf center.

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No way.

I got better shit to do.
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This is beyond the 80's.

People do bizarre things to get attention nowadays and if we're encouraging peddling a method of getting attention, so be it. Negative attention works a lot better than positive attention these days so we're just cashing in on this trend. One of our peddlers got the attention of the vice president of a bank who sent someone to our agency to see the office and theyre considering a nice grant for our agency. Even some of the peddlers are our donors as that's been their way of telling us 'thank you' for helping them.

If its too bizarre for you, it probably the best pactice we can use to keep our mission going.

Again it's the 80's mindset thats making people throw bricks at me for encouraging peddling.

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Has it ever occurred to you that it would negatively affect your agency and its mission? What if one of your major donors happened to encounter a Deaf peddler and saw your agency's name? Wouldn't your promotion of Deaf peddlers miscontradict your agency's mission and your work in DHH advocacy? Also, I find it curious you would 'chase' after donors who give a buck or two to Deaf peddlers, in vain hopes they would follow up on the pamphlet. That's selling your agency short!

Frankly, I couldn't be more disappointed in your actions regarding your agency. I truly and sincerely hope you will reconsider this course of action and explore positive avenues in raising the profile of your agency and promoting the cause of employing DHH people.
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Unread 06-18-2006, 12:25 AM   #18
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People do bizarre things to get attention nowadays and if we're encouraging peddling a method of getting attention, so be it. Negative attention works a lot better than positive attention these days so we're just cashing in on this trend.
Well, I guess it's just me; I'd rather recruit donors who believe in Deaf people and our abilities, and not those who sympathize with them.
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Unread 06-18-2006, 01:50 AM   #19
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It's a bold marketing gimmick. I dont mind if my solution to a situation faced by many deafs these days gets controversial.

It's as bold as http://www.sikvid.com/movies/catbehe...sikvid.com.wmv
advertisement video of a cat getting beheaded by a car to sell cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNWY1evliLU

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Well, I guess it's just me; I'd rather recruit donors who believe in Deaf people and our abilities, and not those who sympathize with them.
my point exactly
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Peddlers hurt Deaf Culture. Besides, Nesmuth, aren't you the one who claimed ASL was obsolete??? Stop the :bsflag:
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Sure throw your bricks at me but this is one of the backbones of deaf culture whether you like it or not.

It's called free enterprise they'll be selling booklets not begging.

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:liar: Cut it out. Since when is peddling the backbone of Deaf Culture? :bsflag:
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You have your free speech and if brickbats is what you choose to use, so be it. Youre happy, I'm happy, and hundreds of deaf ABC Card sellers are happy too.

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If they make over $700 daily, then why are they so poorly-attired???
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If there is no shame in selling ABC cards, why do they always run off like they are guilty whenever they approach me only to realize that I am deaf?

If they are so damn proud of selling ABC cards, they wouldnt look so guilty and hide their activities from me in a busy airport or on a street! They are

my theory is that they dont want to be recognized and can be reported to ssa

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If they make over $700 daily, then why are they so poorly-attired???
Probably because they have two different wardrobes. Who wants to shell out 65 cents to a well groomed person?
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If there is no shame in selling ABC cards, why do they always run off like they are guilty whenever they approach me only to realize that I am deaf?

if theyre running off, then theyre not deaf. Real deafs would talk to you like they do to me.

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I do support Deaf ABC cards selling because sometimes you fall on very hard times then you got to do what you need to do. I have seen Deaf families, both the dad , the mom and the kids sell abc cards to earn some money to survive for food , bills and pay the rent. If ABC cards are used wisely and in the correct way then I support that. I have been with Deaf people who sold ABC cards and I understood how it works. I have no problems with it and you also need to know that some Deafies who sell ABC cards also are looking for a job and fill out job applications while they sell ABC cards. There is too much Deaf pride going around without any real consideration for our less fortunate Deaf brothers and sisters who are in a very difficult situation.
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if theyre running off, then theyre not deaf. Real deafs would talk to you like they do to me.

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If they're running off, you don't know for sure because you can't get that information from them because they're running away!
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