Secession petitions filed in 20 states

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In the wake of last week's presidential election, thousands of Americans have signed petitions seeking permission for their states to peacefully secede from the United States. The petitions were filed on We the People, a government website.

States with citizens filing include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. Oddly, folks from Georgia have filed twice. Even stranger, several of the petitions come from states that went for President Barack Obama.

The petitions are short and to the point. For example, a petition from the Volunteer State reads: "Peacefully grant the State of Tennessee to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government." Of all the petitions, Texas has the most signatures so far, with more than 23,000.

Of course, this is mostly a symbolic gesture. The odds of the American government granting any state permission to go its own way are on par with winning the lottery while getting hit by a meteor while seeing Bigfoot while finding gluten-free pizza that tastes like the real thing.

An article from WKRC quotes a University of Louisville political science professor who explained that these petitions aren't uncommon. Similar petitions were filed following the 2004 and 2008 elections. Still, should the petitions garner 25,000 signatures in a month, they will require an official response from the Obama administration.

From the We the People site:

The right to petition your government is guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. We the People provides a new way to petition the Obama Administration to take action on a range of important issues facing our country. We created We the People because we want to hear from you. If a petition gets enough support, White House staff will review it, ensure it's sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response.

Not everybody who wants to secede is polite enough to write a petition. Peter Morrison, treasurer of the Hardin County (Texas) Republican Party, wrote a post-election newsletter in which he urges the Lone Star State to leave the Union.

"We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity. But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity... Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government? Let each go her own way in peace, sign a free trade agreement among the states and we can avoid this gut-wrenching spectacle every four years."

Secession petitions filed in 20 states | The Lookout - Yahoo! News
 
The secession petition made me so laugh and no states will going secede from the union.

It is just waste of time and nice try. :lol:
 
I guess I better get my reply in before this thread gets :locked:

The author, like many others, doesn't seem to understand what the relationship between the gov't and the people is supposed to be like. See, the gov't isn't supposed to "grant" anything. The gov't is supposed to work FOR the people, not the other way around, and yet that's how people are behaving. As though it has power over us, instead of us having power over the direction of the gov't.

A good example of this is considering the POTUS (Obama) as "our leader." He is not our leader. He is the leader of the gov't. He is our head civil servant in the US. All branches of gov't are supposed to SERVE us.

I would be in support of secession from this current form of government, in the attempt to go back to the form we're supposed to have, even though it means the loss of my SSDI and stability in the short term. Look, Obama or a future POTUS may be forced to sign the same document that Gobachev was forced to sign at the end of 1991, turning the final page on the USSR, only this time it will turn the final page on the USSA.

If we can get rid of the regulation environment and the hostile, anti-business environment here, then companies would start coming back and put us back to work. I need to get out of retail into something productive, if not music.
 
It's possible, don't assume as impossible. We have fought and successfully secede from Great Britain. No other country had success sucede from Great Britain, this includes Canada and few other countries. United States is the only country made it.

Why not you just watch TV series on American revolution, history, and men who built America. It was fantastic and the more I watch the better I understood whats America is all about. There are few people in history that repeats "Nothing is impossible".

The secession petition made me so laugh and no states will going secede from the union.

It is just waste of time and nice try. :lol:
 
Yep, should have been reciprocal. Many of people got pissed off that Uncle Sam bailed Banks out. What I found out is that it (Government bail banks out) is really the "Pay back". Don't you know that Banks actually bailed Uncle Sam out back in 1895 when government was on brink of bankruptcy. It was JP. Morgan that bailed Uncle Sam out. So, few years ago Government bailed them and I think it is the right thing.

I guess I better get my reply in before this thread gets :locked:

The author, like many others, doesn't seem to understand what the relationship between the gov't and the people is supposed to be like. See, the gov't isn't supposed to "grant" anything. The gov't is supposed to work FOR the people, not the other way around, and yet that's how people are behaving. As though it has power over us, instead of us having power over the direction of the gov't.
 
It's possible, don't assume as impossible. We have fought and successfully secede from Great Britain. No other country had success sucede from Great Britain, this includes Canada and few other countries. United States is the only country made it.

Why not you just watch TV series on American revolution, history, and men who built America. It was fantastic and the more I watch the better I understood whats America is all about. There are few people in history that repeats "Nothing is impossible".

We are not same as American Revolution in 1770's, that's very different. The southern states did seceded from the union over the slavery issue and they lost the civil war, so rejoined the union with US. I'm surprised that you didn't mention about civil war.

Canada is commonwealth of Great Britain, not fully independence as US did.

The state make secession from the union is extremely impossible. If you don't believe that, so that's fine.
 
History DOES repeat, if you watch American history on History channel, or discovery or National Geographic, you will drop your jaws. Please don't bark until you watch and study American history. Yes South lost war with the North, it does not mean no one is going to win in future. Just like in sports, no one stay winner forever.

As I get older, I realize that the thoughts that back then was different than today. The more I realize, it is myth. Today and 200 years ago is just same, just different technology that is all. I bet Rockin-Robin would agree with this one.

Know why South lost the war? I found out exact why. The North was very smart, yet the South had the best General. The South actually had chance to win. Know why South failed? Two factors that cause South to fail, first is North has the railroad infrastructure along with American Telegraph being partnering with Railroad up in the North where in the South, they don't have either of them. North has advantage with railroad that can bring at least 10 times the capacity than the South has and communication was much faster, as fast as just minutes for North to communicate over 1,500 miles where the South depends on Pony express which takes days for message to get across and back. If the South have both of them, then the chance of South win the civil war is greater.

We are not same as American Revolution in 1770's, that's very different. The southern states did seceded from the union over the slavery issue and they lost the civil war, so rejoined the union with US. I'm surprised that you didn't mention about civil war.

Canada is commonwealth of Great Britain, not fully independence as US did.

The state make secession from the union is extremely impossible. If you don't believe that, so that's fine.
 
Keep in mind about American revolution, the fact is that Great Britain red coat used to be the best military, powerful, very organized and under discipline and commands where American who is NOT even trained, not even organized, and has limited commands yet worked together, devised plan set up Pony express, set up free speech, set up law that gives every damn American right to bear arms. No training no nothing, and American fought with Great Britain for 7 years before British government surrendered on September 3, 1783 knowing that best army can't beat American who is not even in military training!


We are not same as American Revolution in 1770's, that's very different. The southern states did seceded from the union over the slavery issue and they lost the civil war, so rejoined the union with US. I'm surprised that you didn't mention about civil war.

Canada is commonwealth of Great Britain, not fully independence as US did.

The state make secession from the union is extremely impossible. If you don't believe that, so that's fine.
 
Secession is an idiotic idea.

This is a national government that brings other countries to heel with a massive military, with technology that almost no other government on earth possesses. Not even the American populace possesses these technologies.

This idea would not even get the support of 90-95% of the people who just voted for Romney. They will not support it.

And these so-called secessionists think they'd win?

There's a word for this: delusional.
 
Just like back when people believe that Titanic can not sink, not even God himself can sink Titanic, guess what happened?

That is why I don't believe in the IMPOSSIBLE.
 
Just like back when people believe that Titanic can not sink, not even God himself can sink Titanic, guess what happened?

That is why I don't believe in the IMPOSSIBLE.

I don't believe it is impossible.

I believe it is highly improbable.

And extremely unwise.

I find it amazing that there are some people who don't want to solve the problem of Republican Party leadership and would rather start a civil war instead. (Succession would start a civil war.)

Mind-bogging. Extremely unwise. And very disturbing that there are people who would be so careless with the lives of their fellow citizens.
 
Well, yeah it is called War and it is normal response from resentment community fighting against tyranny. It happened pretty much in many countries nowadays especially in middle East.

I don't believe it is impossible.

I believe it is highly improbable.

And extremely unwise.

I find it amazing that there are some people who don't want to solve the problem of Republican Party leadership and would rather start a civil war instead. (Succession would start a civil war.)

Mind-bogging. Extremely unwise. And very disturbing that there are people who would be so careless with the lives of their fellow citizens.
 
Well, yeah it is called War and it is normal response from resentment community fighting against tyranny. It happened pretty much in many countries nowadays especially in middle East.

(sarcasm mode on)

No big deal, right?

Millions of Americans dead... oh, that's just "collateral damage."

Bridges and roads destroyed everywhere, oh we can rebuild.

Homes burnt to the ground along with their occupants. No big deal, they weren't "true Americans" anyway.

It's just War... what did you expect?

(sarcasm mode off)
 
If we can get rid of the regulation environment and the hostile, anti-business environment here, then companies would start coming back and put us back to work.

Interesting. What part of the deregulation of the banking and housing markets was of benefit to you? Was it the 25% interest rates on credit cards or the soaring cost of home ownership?

And, exactly, how is retail not meaningful? It's what drives our entire economy.

I disagree...
 
Keep in mind about American revolution, the fact is that Great Britain red coat used to be the best military, powerful, very organized and under discipline and commands where American who is NOT even trained, not even organized, and has limited commands yet worked together, devised plan set up Pony express, set up free speech, set up law that gives every damn American right to bear arms. No training no nothing, and American fought with Great Britain for 7 years before British government surrendered on September 3, 1783 knowing that best army can't beat American who is not even in military training!

The American Revolution got lucky.

Truly, it got lucky.

If it wasn't for French support (which could have easily not materialized) the American Revolution would have failed.

It absolutely would have failed without French support.

And, ironically, Canada got the same thing -- independence, rights and representative government -- without a war. They also ended slavery without a war.

What do you think about that?
 
History DOES repeat, if you watch American history on History channel, or discovery or National Geographic, you will drop your jaws. Please don't bark until you watch and study American history. Yes South lost war with the North, it does not mean no one is going to win in future. Just like in sports, no one stay winner forever.

As I get older, I realize that the thoughts that back then was different than today. The more I realize, it is myth. Today and 200 years ago is just same, just different technology that is all. I bet Rockin-Robin would agree with this one.

Know why South lost the war? I found out exact why. The North was very smart, yet the South had the best General. The South actually had chance to win. Know why South failed? Two factors that cause South to fail, first is North has the railroad infrastructure along with American Telegraph being partnering with Railroad up in the North where in the South, they don't have either of them. North has advantage with railroad that can bring at least 10 times the capacity than the South has and communication was much faster, as fast as just minutes for North to communicate over 1,500 miles where the South depends on Pony express which takes days for message to get across and back. If the South have both of them, then the chance of South win the civil war is greater.

Excuse me - I watch TV more, more frequently everyday and I watch a lot of documentaries that include all histories about past. That's very very bad assumption against me and you didn't know about me. National Geographic and Discovery are channels that I watch at most time, so sometime with History Channel. I know about American history and I took history courses at college.

I disagree with you about states could secede from the union, also that's my opinion and when you will respect my opinion, not all of history will repeat, depending on situation. I doubt that US will goes civil war again and it is very nature that we are unhappy with politicians from time to time. I was very unhappy with GWB but more happy with Obama, so the time will change.

I don't care if RR agrees with you, but you can't start personal attack against me by tell me that I don't know about history, that's very disrespectful comment.
 
Obama is democratically elected by electoral college and he got more popular votes.

There is no reason to become revolt, overthrow or trigger the civil war because we have free and fair election, that provided under the constitution. If Obama wasn't democratically elected by election so you will have logical reason.

The political is usually divide in US, so it has been for many years, so same goes with European countries, Canada and Australia.

I'm just saying that states secede from US is impossible, based on my opinion, but it is possible to be secede legally if goes thorough the congress and the constitution changes, but it is extremely difficult now.

You will NEVER have perfect government, period.
 
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