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Unread 12-06-2011, 03:30 PM   #181 (permalink)
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My children believed in Santa. We even left milk and cookies out for him. They eventually grew out of it.
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Unread 12-06-2011, 03:31 PM   #182 (permalink)
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Yes I know, I'm not defending nor even questioning the parent's choice to lie or tell the truth. I'm not even gonna tell my hypothetical kids that Santa is real.

I'm questioning IF a teacher has the right to do that. I mean come on..... let's get real, do you really want teachers to act like a vigilante for a parent's white lie? There is sort of an "unspoken" rule among adults to not reveal about Santa. Sort of leave it up to the kids to figure it out.

Hell, if I ran into an elementary school and yelled out "SANTA IS NOT REAL!!! SANTA IS NOT REAL!" for "the kids' sake", don't tell me that people would be on my side....
Well, then, perhaps they need to consider taking teaching geography out of the 2nd grade curriculum. Then the teacher would not have to make a choice between teaching geography and teaching mythology.
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Unread 12-06-2011, 03:32 PM   #183 (permalink)
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My children believed in Santa. We even left milk and cookies out for him. They eventually grew out of it.
My daughter did too. My son still enjoys the milk and cookies thing. My daughter had to write a thank you note to Santa for all of his hard work.
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Unread 12-06-2011, 03:34 PM   #184 (permalink)
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another thing is - there are plenty of kids for whom Christmas/Santa has no significance...remember there are many kids who aren't Christian....
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My daughter did too. My son still enjoys the milk and cookies thing. My daughter had to write a thank you note to Santa for all of his hard work.
And I would say that she kept up the pretense long after she had figured out that Santa did not deliver the toys. Most kids do. They enjoy the silliness that their parents engage in for this sort of thing, so they keep pretending for Mom and Dad's enjoyment.
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And I would say that she kept up the pretense long after she had figured out that Santa did not deliver the toys. Most kids do. They enjoy the silliness that their parents engage in for this sort of thing, so they keep pretending for Mom and Dad's enjoyment.
The kids actually enjoy it too. I know I did, when I was little. I did not do it to entertain my parents.
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And I would say that she kept up the pretense long after she had figured out that Santa did not deliver the toys. Most kids do. They enjoy the silliness that their parents engage in for this sort of thing, so they keep pretending for Mom and Dad's enjoyment.
I will have to ask my daughter how old was she when she figured it out. My son is 6 and still believes in Santa. He is too straightforward to pretend that he does. With his kind of personality, he would have said ,"Mommy and Daddy..Santa is NOT real! "
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It's hard to believe a teacher got fired for telling the truth instead of supporting a lie.
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Hell, if I ran into an elementary school and yelled out "SANTA IS NOT REAL!!! SANTA IS NOT REAL!" for "the kids' sake", don't tell me that people would be on my side....
Come with me ma'am. We have a special room for you to broadcast this message from. Hmm? Oh the padding? That is so your voice can be heard clearly without echos. I will be right outside if you need me.
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I will have to ask my daughter how old was she when she figured it out. My son is 6 and still believes in Santa. He is too straightforward to pretend that he does. With his kind of personality, he would have said ,"Mommy and Daddy..Santa is NOT real! "
I'd say by next year, he will be challenging you on it. Girls generally figure it out a little sooner than boys because their maturity level tends to be a bit ahead of boys.

I actually have seen a couple studies done on this in the past. (No, I can't cite them...I read them years ago in relationship to a class on child development). But the conclusion is that children know an average of 1-1.5 years that Santa is not real before they actually confront their parents about it.
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It's hard to believe a teacher got fired for telling the truth instead of supporting a lie.
Talk about reversed priorities.
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"But Mom, how can Santa get from the Springdale Mall, to the North Pole, to Target, and to the TV news show so fast?"
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My question was... Mom.... we don't have a fire place. How will he get in?
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Talk about reversed priorities.
If a small child in one of the DV shelter asks you is Santa real? What would you say? Would you go against the Parent and say he is not real?
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"But Mom, how can Santa get from the Springdale Mall, to the North Pole, to Target, and to the TV news show so fast?"
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NJ: "Santa had reindeer that can take him anywhere very fast."
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I have a feeling that most, if not all, people who are anti-lying about Santa wouldn't do what the teacher did anyway. I think they would just simply brush it off instead of going along with the lie or refute it outright.

"Yea! I know where North Pole is. It's where Santa lives!"

"Anyway......"
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Teacher apologizes over Santa faux pas | The Journal News | LoHud.com | LoHud.com
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NANUET — After widespread holiday jeers, a teacher at Nanuet's George W. Miller Elementary School has apologized to her second-grade classroom after reportedly telling them there's no Santa Claus.

Leatrice Ann Eng of Pearl River issued the apology a day after she was accused of saying "no" to Ho-Ho-Ho during a geography class last Tuesday.

When the 7-year-olds told her they knew about the North Pole because of its white-bearded inhabitant, Eng reportedly responded that Santa did not exist and that Christmas presents were bought by their parents.

The alleged incident attracted widespread media coverage. The school and district offices fielded questions about the story last week that led to more than a few comparisons of Eng with Ebenezer Scrooge.

School officials have so far declined to comment on Eng's remarks.

"This matter is being discussed internally, and it would be inappropriate for me to comment further," Superintendent Mark McNeill said last week.

Several Nanuet parents also declined to speak with the Journal News on Sunday, or indicated that they are eager to move on and get into the holiday spirit.

"The people who live in this town are sick and tired of hearing about it," said Maureen Nicolich, a member of the Nanuet Elementary PTA. "Drop it."
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for myself, if a child asks me anything about things like Santa, or personal religious belief in general, I'd suggest they discuss with trusted family members/guardian.

If they ask me straight out, what do YOU <me, personally> believe or how do YOU <me personally> celebrate this or that, I'll be honest and tell them in a way appropriate for their age and what degree I feel like they're interested.

I wasn't raised with the Santa/Easter stories so I look at it in my own way I guess.
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Our daughter started not to believe Santa doesn't exist. She is 9 years old. Her brother whom is 6 years old has suspected a little but still believe in Santa. I was about 7 or 8 when I stopped believing because of moms handwriting looked a bit familiar.
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The kids actually enjoy it too. I know I did, when I was little. I did not do it to entertain my parents.
You kept pretending to believe even after you knew the truth? That doesn't surprise me in the least. As I said earlier, most kids do.

So, if this teacher merely confirmed something the kids already knew, the parents' overreaction is even more out of line. Just because a parent believes that a kid still believes in Santa doesn't mean the kid does. It just means the kid hasn't told their parents that they don't believe in Santa.

Few kids that are of the age to start loosing baby teeth really believe in the tooth fairy, either. But they keep up the pretense so they will keep finding the money under their pillow. After all, if Mom and Dad don't have to put it there to convince the kid of the tooth fairy's existence, they would have no reason to pay off on a lost tooth.

Kids are a lot smarter than most give them credit for. Just because they can't articulate it doesn't mean they don't know it.
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Now the parents need to apologize for insisting that she not teach geography accurately to their children.
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I have a feeling that most, if not all, people who are anti-lying about Santa wouldn't do what the teacher did anyway. I think they would just simply brush it off instead of going along with the lie or refute it outright.

"Yea! I know where North Pole is. It's where Santa lives!"

"Anyway......"
So...how does a teacher agree that it is where Santa lives, but then tell them the accuracy of the fact that there are no permanent inhabitants of the North Pole?
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I remember discovering the Easter bunny toys before Easter when I was 7 or 8 years old in one of my parent's closets. Years later, I told my mother about it and got in trouble for "spoiling her fun" right away. It was the custom for my little sister and me to get Easter baskets filled with chocolates and stuffed bunnies for Easter.
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You kept pretending to believe even after you knew the truth? That doesn't surprise me in the least. As I said earlier, most kids do.

So, if this teacher merely confirmed something the kids already knew, the parents' overreaction is even more out of line. Just because a parent believes that a kid still believes in Santa doesn't mean the kid does. It just means the kid hasn't told their parents that they don't believe in Santa.

Few kids that are of the age to start loosing baby teeth really believe in the tooth fairy, either. But they keep up the pretense so they will keep finding the money under their pillow. After all, if Mom and Dad don't have to put it there to convince the kid of the tooth fairy's existence, they would have no reason to pay off on a lost tooth.

Kids are a lot smarter than most give them credit for. Just because they can't articulate it doesn't mean they don't know it.
That reminded me of a story I read in Reader's Digest. There were identical twin boys who get same gifts. One of them is slow and continue to believe in Santa. The other twin teased him alot. That christmas day, the boy noticed that his twin got an extra gift (from Santa) and realized he had been outsmarted as he is one less gift. His twin just gave him a big grin. Smart boy eventhough he is slow!
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So...how does a teacher agree that it is where Santa lives, but then tell them the accuracy of the fact that there are no permanent inhabitants of the North Pole?
I'd simply insist that there are no permanent inhabitants on Earth, then if the child asks about Santa, I'd just use the "ask your parents" card.

In a way, telling them the truth about North Pole (no inhabitants), and making them ask their parents about the "Santa" part is still "catching them on their lie". To me, it's the same effect but a helluva lot nicer than telling the kids outright.

Unless the parent goes so far to tell the child "well your teacher is lying" then.. that's just scary....
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Our daughter started not to believe Santa doesn't exist. She is 9 years old. Her brother whom is 6 years old has suspected a little but still believe in Santa. I was about 7 or 8 when I stopped believing because of moms handwriting looked a bit familiar.
Yes! That was it! That was how I believed that my friend's older brother was telling the truth about Santa not being real. He told us when we were young to be mean but I refused to believe him until I started noticing that the handwriting was the same as my mom's. I dont remember if I confronted her about it or just kept on pretending that I still believed in Santa. One thing I know for sure that it made me love and appreciate my mom more despite her lies.
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I'd say by next year, he will be challenging you on it. Girls generally figure it out a little sooner than boys because their maturity level tends to be a bit ahead of boys.

I actually have seen a couple studies done on this in the past. (No, I can't cite them...I read them years ago in relationship to a class on child development). But the conclusion is that children know an average of 1-1.5 years that Santa is not real before they actually confront their parents about it.
If he does challenge me, then I will tell him the truth. I dont want to make the decision for him. I would rather when he is ready so until then, we talk about how Christmas is for giving. I had plans on taking him and my daughter to the mall over Thanksgiving weekend to donate to Toys for Tots but my son got sick with the flu. Then, I was going to do it with him the past weekend...got sick with the flu myself. Hopefully this weekend. As for my daughter, I will have her volunteer with me at a homeless shelter or something over the summer. My ex takes her to help volunteer for those who are in need. Despite his poor history with relationships, at least he does that with her in AZ so I am happy about that.
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That reminded me of a story I read in Reader's Digest. There were identical twin boys who get same gifts. One of them is slow and continue to believe in Santa. The other twin teased him alot. That christmas day, the boy noticed that his twin got an extra gift (from Santa) and realized he had been outsmarted as he is one less gift. His twin just gave him a big grin. Smart boy eventhough he is slow!
That's a good one.
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If he does challenge me, then I will tell him the truth. I dont want to make the decision for him. I would rather when he is ready so until then, we talk about how Christmas is for giving. I had plans on taking him and my daughter to the mall over Thanksgiving weekend to donate to Toys for Tots but my son got sick with the flu. Then, I was going to do it with him the past weekend...got sick with the flu myself. Hopefully this weekend. As for my daughter, I will have her volunteer with me at a homeless shelter or something over the summer. My ex takes her to help volunteer for those who are in need. Despite his poor history with relationships, at least he does that with her in AZ so I am happy about that.
You are doing it exactly the way I would.

Sorry to hear about your flu. Been there, done that, no fun! I still have a cough.
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That reminded me of a story I read in Reader's Digest. There were identical twin boys who get same gifts. One of them is slow and continue to believe in Santa. The other twin teased him alot. That christmas day, the boy noticed that his twin got an extra gift (from Santa) and realized he had been outsmarted as he is one less gift. His twin just gave him a big grin. Smart boy eventhough he is slow!
Awww..how cute.
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