Teacher Tells Kids There Is No Santa Claus - Page 5

**Beowulf** · 12-06-2011, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

Teachers has no position to make decisions to tell anything to children but teaching them only according to the educaiton. santa is not an educaiton but holiday.

Interesting. What if the teacher tells them there is no God?

Tousi · 12-06-2011, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Interesting. What if the teacher tells them there is no God?

Kids at that age?

Frisky Feline · 12-06-2011, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Interesting. What if the teacher tells them there is no God?

i thought god is the same as fairy tale, santa and goes on.

teachers should not mention about GOD to children or adult except the course at any college stated " i dont believe in god" then teacher can say about it.

**Reba** · 12-06-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

Teachers has no position to make decisions to tell anything to children but teaching them only according to the educaiton. santa is not an educaiton but holiday.

There is no holiday for Santa.

But you're right about the teacher.

If the question came up during class, she could tell the students, "Children, that is something you should ask your parents."

**Beowulf** · 12-06-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

Kids at that age?

Let me check the guidebook, if there is one.

**Reba** · 12-06-2011, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Interesting. What if the teacher tells them there is no God?

In a public government elementary school?

**Beowulf** · 12-06-2011, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

In a public government elementary school?

Hmmm. What if? Would the teacher get terminated? Interesting.

**Reba** · 12-06-2011, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Hmmm. What if? Would the teacher get terminated? Interesting.

Hard to say. It would depend on the circumstances, the teacher's contract, and the school board policy. That's impossible to know with a hypothetical question.

Tousi · 12-06-2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Let me check the guidebook, if there is one.

Yeah, look it up under age of accountability.

**Beowulf** · 12-06-2011, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Hard to say. It would depend on the circumstances, the teacher's contract, and the school board policy. That's impossible to know with a hypothetical question.

It is equally hard to prove the existence of either God or Santa Claus. It is a matter of personal belief and faith, I suppose, and more power to them.

**TWA** · 12-06-2011, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Hmmm. What if? Would the teacher get terminated? Interesting.

In Alabama? Yes.

In California? No.

**Reba** · 12-06-2011, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

In Alabama? Yes.

In California? No.

What about the opposite situation? Suppose the teacher told the class there is a God?

**Beowulf** · 12-06-2011, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

What about the opposite situation? Suppose the teacher told the class there is a God?

I can only hope the children ask for proof. Just as a teacher needs to prove no existence of something. A teacher can prove that two plus two equals four.

VacationGuy234 · 12-06-2011, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

If the question came up during class, she could tell the students, "Children, that is something you should ask your parents."

Oh yea, that would go over really well.

**Daredevel7** · 12-06-2011, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by VacationGuy234

Oh yea, that would go over really well.

I asked my speech therapist why people have sex. (I didn't know anything about O's at the time.) She said "Ask your mother."

Smart answer. I don't think my mom would have appreciated her telling me about the pleasures of sex.

**deafskeptic** · 12-06-2011, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

I asked my speech therapist why people have sex. (I didn't know anything about O's at the time.) She said "Ask your mother."

Smart answer. I don't think my mom would have appreciated her telling me about the pleasures of sex.

**Beowulf** · 12-06-2011, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

I asked my speech therapist why people have sex. (I didn't know anything about O's at the time.) She said "Ask your mother."

Smart answer. I don't think my mom would have appreciated her telling me about the pleasures of sex.

Good. I'm glad you didn't get the chance to ask for proof.

**shel90** · 12-06-2011, 02:19 PM

In science class when I talked about the concept of matter with my 3rd graders. One of them said it was because God created matter...I just said, "Ok" and kept on going with the subject without any further discussion about God. I would never tell my students that there is no such thing as God or Santa Clause.

**deafskeptic** · 12-06-2011, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

In science class when I talked about the concept of matter with my 3rd graders. One of them said it was because God created matter...I just said, "Ok" and kept on going with the subject without any further discussion about God. I would never tell my students that there is no such thing as God or Santa Clause.

I would have told my own kids what I think but not in classrooms.. That said, I think the parents overreacted in this case.

**shel90** · 12-06-2011, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

I would have told my own kids what I think but not in classrooms.. That said, I think the parents overreacted in this case.

Oh i tell my kids my opinions. My daughter believes in God and she knows I dont and we respect each other for that. I dont pressure her into changing her beliefs. My son believes in Santa Clause and I see nothing wrong with it. I believed in him until I was like 7 or 8 and looking back, I was glad I had that magic of innonence. The world is already hard enough as it is.

**TWA** · 12-06-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

What about the opposite situation? Suppose the teacher told the class there is a God?

If that's all she said, then I doubt anything would happen in either state. Simply saying that God exists is really a minor thing. In fact, I'm sure I heard my teachers say on a regular basis things like, "Just hope to god that. . . " or something else like that. No biggie.

If she was trying to indoctrinate the children to the point that it made some of them uncomfortable enough to tell an adult, then she'd most likely be punished/lose her job. Definitely in California, possible even in a place like Alabama as well.

**Daredevel7** · 12-06-2011, 02:29 PM

I wonder.....

if there is any correlation between people who are anti-"lie to your kids about Santa" and people who found out about Santa very late in life, that perhaps involved humiliation from their peers/family.....

and

if there is any correlation between people who are okay with lying to their kids about Santa and people who found out very early through deductive reasoning or their peers....

Beach girl · 12-06-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

I wonder what people think about the elf dolls?

For those who don't know anything about it: About The Magic Elf Christmas Tradition - Elf Magic
You have one elf doll that pops up between Thanksgiving and Christmas to "visit" the home. At night they "come alive" and "move around and play around". So the kids have to look for the doll in the morning to see what it's "up to". Examples: The doll would be found "eating in the cooking jar", "hanging from the ceiling fan", "playing the piano", etc. On Christmas, Santa takes back his elves.

Someone said that the spirit of Santa doesn't have to be ruined if the kids knew the truth, but, dude, there is no way in hell the fun that the elf doll brings would continue if the kid knew the elf was fake. What kid would continue to do the elf doll thing knowing it's fake?!

Personally, I think the elf doll thing is creepy. I mean.. "comes alive"?! Sounds like a horror movie... but my stepsister's kids love it so much that they look forward to the elf thing more than the presents themselves!

A very creative friend of mine is playing with one of those elf dolls with her 6-year-old daughter. They dressed the Elf in a white felt skirt, so she is a girl Elf, called "Elfie."

"Elfie" gets up to all sorts of things overnight, and the daughter loves finding those things the next morning. Things like Christmas garlands magically appearing, and muffins for breakfast, and tinsel decorating the bookcase.

I don't know if the daughter literally believes in "Elfie," or realizes it's a fun game Mommy and Daddy are playing, or a little bit of both. I do think that when she grows up, this little girl is going to have so many fun memories of the magical world her mom created, in many, many ways.

whatdidyousay! · 12-06-2011, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

Heh. As long as those toys come from charitable Christian organizations and not the gosh darned gubberment!

Right?

So toys drives run by non Christian organizations are not good enough for kids?

jillio · 12-06-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Read more: Christmas outrage! Upstate teacher tell kids Santa's fake

First, whatever happened to objective journalism? Second, the parents and the objectors are the true hypocrites. After reading some of the comments, I have to say that the parents are the one who deserve the lumps of coal they will be getting for Christmas, not the teacher. They went as far to make death threats, call her a bitch and all sorts of names you can think of. It's just shameful.

This isn't what Christmas is about. Far from it. They have allowed the hate to take over whenever somebody tells the children the truth. The extreme consumerism and materialism is a big problem these days. Santa Claus is a mythical person and that should have been made clear from day one. It doesn't mean that our lives would be devoid of any sort of magic nor wonder if we are aware of Santa Claus being a mythical figure.

It's mind-blowing how hateful people can get when they want to go after someone for being a so-called Scrooge. They are the Scrooges themselves. Disgusting.

I agree. The comments and the actions of the parents are far, far more disturbing than anything this teacher did. *smh*

jillio · 12-06-2011, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

I wonder.....

if there is any correlation between people who are anti-"lie to your kids about Santa" and people who found out about Santa very late in life, that perhaps involved humiliation from their peers/family.....

and

if there is any correlation between people who are okay with lying to their kids about Santa and people who found out very early through deductive reasoning or their peers....

Just a guess...but I would say you would not find any correlation, or at least one that would not be statistically significant.

jillio · 12-06-2011, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Parents overreacted.

Still... I think it's a bit weird and somewhat underhanded for a teacher to tell kids that there is no Santa Claus. What good can come out of that? Kids (who believed in Santa) find out eventually anyway. Is it really better to find out now at 7 than at 9 years old?

I can see both sides of this. Evidently it was in the curriculum for her to be teaching a section about the North Pole. How could she actually do a section on the North Pole if she had to support the idea that Santa and a workshop full of elves and flying reindeer populate the North Pole?

jillio · 12-06-2011, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

Lol, I don't know how the rest of you grew up, but even as a four year old, I thought the idea of a bunch of reindeer on the roof and a fat man in a red suit traveling all over the world in a single night was a bunch of baloney. Nobody "told me" Santa wasn't real. The whole idea was impossible for me to believe in the first place. But then again, I have always had a hard time believing in a lot of incredible and crazy shit that many other people believe.

This teacher did nothing wrong. She didn't do anything right. But she did nothing wrong, either.

Good point. These kids were 2nd graders. My son figured out on his own well before the 2nd grade that the whole Santa Claus story was a myth. He came right out and asked me if it was true. And I told him the truth and also offered an explanation of why, we as parents, sometimes allow children to believe little stories like this.

JabberJay · 12-06-2011, 02:53 PM

I figured it out at 5 years old and my sister never believed

**saywhatkid** · 12-06-2011, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Because it is a show of love.

That warm fuzzy feeling inside ...

God bless us ... EVERYONE!

You mean, even Liberals? Illegal immigrants?

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Daredevel7 Adrenaline Junky Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 4,341	I wonder..... if there is any correlation between people who are anti-"lie to your kids about Santa" and people who found out about Santa very late in life, that perhaps involved humiliation from their peers/family..... and if there is any correlation between people who are okay with lying to their kids about Santa and people who found out very early through deductive reasoning or their peers....