Teacher Tells Kids There Is No Santa Claus - Page 4

Tousi · 12-05-2011, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Because y'all are too busy bashing the teacher to death over a slip-up she made about a mythical character.

So are you saying you know that I would condone what those few parents were saying?
And don't you think "bashing" is a little much, considering what I said about the teacher?

Frisky Feline · 12-05-2011, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

I don't think an individual teacher has the right to take away that magic, innocence, etc that is Christmas, something they will soon (the children) outgrow themselves and without reacting as if they were told a big lie which is something a few adults are saying.....

yes.
I rather let kids learn from the other kids or parents with reason sense which makes sense to them on their own pace.

**KristinaB** · 12-05-2011, 09:11 PM

Okay - so what if parents want to tell their kids that it's okay to believe in Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The tooth fairy or whoever. That is a parent's right. Little "Sally's" parents didn't really want to spread the stories of Santa and all the others, but, they also did not want her to miss out on things just for being different.

My kids never believed in Santa or the others. It wasn't a conscious decision of ours, but it just happened that way. Even though they didn't believe, they still had fun leaving a plate of cookies for "Santa". My son was the one, who at age 3, said that we needed to make sure that the cookies were my favorite ones, since "Mommy, I just know you like playing Santa and you deserve that cookie." My daughter loved to leave "reindeer" food in the yard since we had deer who often came through and "You just never know, mom!" They also never went "Trick or Treating" in their lives. STILL, the teacher should not have been the one to do this. That teacher may not have known the parents wishes or anything like that.

Journey · 12-05-2011, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

Lying about how good food is is a good way to piss me off.

No worries, I wouldn't lie about that to you, you are not 5 and trying your hand at baking for the first time ;-).

**TXgolfer** · 12-05-2011, 09:22 PM

Why did the teacher stop with Santa anyway? Why didn't she tell Johnny that his folks are only staying together through the holidays? Or tell Sally about mom being an alcoholic? Maybe she could explain the "walk of shame" one day when she comes to school a little "wrinkly" Or, she could tell Bobby about the lithium dad takes and how he once showed up at a PTA meeting painted gold like the "FTD guy". Maybe she could have broken down the stats on how many of them would end up in prison and homeless or so addicted to drugs they wouldn't know their name. Perhaps delve into the fact that for some of them even a 1st grade education is a waste of time because they will probably OD before they are out of high school. Or perhaps gunned down by gangs. Maybe she could tell them how the few of them that actually make it into the real world are going to spend their lives in jobs they hate, paying bills they don't want to pay while raising kids that will eventually blame them for everything that goes wrong in their lives thanks to the shrink that they pay for. Maybe they could take a field trip to the cemetery and she could tell them "it really doesn't matter what the f%#@ you do with your life, you all end up here". She could even tell them how the school lunches are going to cause some of them to lose a foot someday because someone in a suit decided pizza was a vegetable and apple juice with 32g of sugar is healthy.

Why did she choose Santa of all lies?

Falalalala lalalala

**Jiro** · 12-05-2011, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Why did the teacher stop with Santa anyway? Why didn't she tell Johnny that his folks are only staying together through the holidays? Or tell Sally about mom being an alcoholic? Maybe she could explain the "walk of shame" one day when she comes to school a little "wrinkly" Or, she could tell Bobby about the lithium dad takes and how he once showed up at a PTA meeting painted gold like the "FTD guy". Maybe she could have broken down the stats on how many of them would end up in prison and homeless or so addicted to drugs they wouldn't know their name. Perhaps delve into the fact that for some of them even a 1st grade education is a waste of time because they will probably OD before they are out of high school. Or perhaps gunned down by gangs. Maybe she could tell them how the few of them that actually make it into the real world are going to spend their lives in jobs they hate, paying bills they don't want to pay while raising kids that will eventually blame them for everything that goes wrong in their lives thanks to the shrink that they pay for. Maybe they could take a field trip to the cemetery and she could tell them "it really doesn't matter what the f%#@ you do with your life, you all end up here". She could even tell them how the school lunches are going to cause some of them to lose a foot someday because someone in a suit decided pizza was a vegetable and apple juice with 32g of sugar is healthy.

Why did she choose Santa of all lies?

Falalalala lalalala

because christmas day is coming soon and nobody's sent her a christmas invitation so she's bitter and hurt.

looks like she could use some hug

**deafskeptic** · 12-05-2011, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Journey

No worries, I wouldn't lie about that to you, you are not 5 and trying your hand at baking for the first time ;-).

It pissed me off at age 5 then and it would piss me even now off now. My dad has always refused to admit that food tasted bad when it was really awful. He will never admit to not liking something. He has tried to force feed me when I refused to eat something when I was little.

Here's an example of what I am talking about: When I first got my CI and my parents made several trips with me and on the way we would stop at Shoney's (in South Boston, I think) on the way home.

The food there was so awful that I wouldn't eat it at all even though I risked dangerously low blood sugar from not eating. I was unable to drive due to having surgery.

On our last trip together, we stopped at the Chinese restrurant near my home because even he admitted the food at Shoney's wasn't very good. That was the second time in my life he has ever admitted food is awful and I was 40 at the time.

If I had kids, I would ask them if they try something but I wouldn't make a big deal of it if they refuse. Making a big deal is just going to make it worse. If my cookies tasted awful, I would say so. There's a reason why I don't ask my Dad to recommend a good place to eat. It can range from good to bad.

Steinhauer · 12-05-2011, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

because christmas day is coming soon and nobody's sent her a christmas invitation so she's bitter and hurt.

looks like she could use some hug

That is one comment I can actually agree with you on

**TWA** · 12-05-2011, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Why did the teacher stop with Santa anyway? Why didn't she tell Johnny that his folks are only staying together through the holidays? Or tell Sally about mom being an alcoholic? Maybe she could explain the "walk of shame" one day when she comes to school a little "wrinkly" Or, she could tell Bobby about the lithium dad takes and how he once showed up at a PTA meeting painted gold like the "FTD guy". Maybe she could have broken down the stats on how many of them would end up in prison and homeless or so addicted to drugs they wouldn't know their name. Perhaps delve into the fact that for some of them even a 1st grade education is a waste of time because they will probably OD before they are out of high school. Or perhaps gunned down by gangs. Maybe she could tell them how the few of them that actually make it into the real world are going to spend their lives in jobs they hate, paying bills they don't want to pay while raising kids that will eventually blame them for everything that goes wrong in their lives thanks to the shrink that they pay for. Maybe they could take a field trip to the cemetery and she could tell them "it really doesn't matter what the f%#@ you do with your life, you all end up here". She could even tell them how the school lunches are going to cause some of them to lose a foot someday because someone in a suit decided pizza was a vegetable and apple juice with 32g of sugar is healthy.

Why did she choose Santa of all lies?

Falalalala lalalala

That's actually not a bad idea. Sure, why not? Then, while she's at it, she can talk to them about all the wonderful things that make life, despite all it's sham and drudgery, worth living. She can tell them about first kisses and falling in love and sunsets, and laying under the stars. She can tell them that even though there are going to be a lot of painful moments, it's those painful moments that make you appreciate the beautiful ones.

Then, she can tell them that Santa Claus is not one of the things that makes life worth living, but the spirit of what he represents is.

**TXgolfer** · 12-05-2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

That's actually not a bad idea. Sure, why not? Then, while she's at it, she can talk to them about all the wonderful things that make life, despite all it's sham and drudgery, worth living. She can tell them about first kisses and falling in love and sunsets, and laying under the stars. She can tell them that even though there are going to be a lot of painful moments, it's those painful moments that make you appreciate the beautiful ones.

Then, she can tell them that Santa Claus is not one of the things that makes life worth living.

Meh, they might get mono (or worse) from that first kiss,falling in love is just the first stage of a broken heart, sunsets are as big a lie as Santa and they will probably get cancer from the pesticides when laying under the stars and die in pain.

That is just the painful truth children

Steinhauer · 12-05-2011, 09:47 PM

Don't forget kiddies, love is grand. Divorce is 50 grand.

**TWA** · 12-05-2011, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Meh, they might get mono (or worse) from that first kiss,falling in love is just the first stage of a broken heart, sunsets are as big a lie as Santa and they will probably get cancer from the pesticides when laying under the stars and die in pain.

That is just the painful truth children

Well, she can remind them that if all else fails, there's always porn. (Just don't look at it in the public library).

**TXgolfer** · 12-05-2011, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

Well, she can remind them that if all else fails, there's always porn. (Just don't look at it in the public library).

A teacher in TX even helped 5 students make one.

Falala falala lalala

**TWA** · 12-05-2011, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

A teacher in TX even helped 5 students make one.

Falala falala lalala

You don't say?

Deck the halls with balls in Holly, falalalal lalalala

**deafskeptic** · 12-05-2011, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

You don't say?

Deck the halls with balls in Holly, falalalal lalalala

Let's raid PFH's brewery and PARTY!

**sequoias** · 12-05-2011, 10:12 PM

Well, for one of the reasons children believe in fantasy. Fairies, trolls, easter bunnies, etc.

**TWA** · 12-05-2011, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

Let's raid PFH's brewery and PARTY!

What brewery?

**deafskeptic** · 12-05-2011, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

What brewery?

If I recall correctly, his parents runs a brewery that they founded and he has mentioned that he has started one himself..

**Jiro** · 12-05-2011, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

If I recall correctly, his parents runs a brewery that they founded and he has mentioned that he has started one himself..

no.

**deafskeptic** · 12-05-2011, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

no.

Ok.. I"m a little confused..

**TWA** · 12-06-2011, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

Ok.. I"m a little confused..

His family is in the coffee business--not brewing, and he had plans to open a distillery a while back. Not sure what happened with that.

VacationGuy234 · 12-06-2011, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

None, but.... would you really want to be the one to dictate other people's children's reality? Are you going around telling random kids "THERE IS NO SANTA CLAUS!", because "it's better for them"?

No, I'd rather go around telling parents they are idiots and it is their job to be truthful to their kids. They should stop using the tools of religious indoctrination on their children just because it makes them feel good. Children can be taught kindness and generosity without need of deception.

The teacher in this case, unlike Santa Clause, has a job and a duty to the children to tell them the truth and thankfully she did her job.

AlleyCat · 12-06-2011, 07:44 AM

Well if we can't raid the brewery, at least the kitchen refrig and pantry, then.

Babyblue · 12-06-2011, 07:50 AM

Perhaps the class was misbehaving that day. Or little Johnny got on her nerves and he told her Santa will bring him presents dispite of his actions of being naughty.

Regardless it is not the teachers duty to tell the children. It is the parents. Just like it is not the teacher job to say there (is a/or no) such thing as God

VacationGuy234 · 12-06-2011, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

Regardless it is not the teachers duty to tell the children. It is the parents. Just like it is not the teacher job to say there (is a/or no) such thing as God

That fact is still in dispute, Santa Clause, however, is not, there is a difference.

Babyblue · 12-06-2011, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by VacationGuy234

That fact is still in dispute, Santa Clause, however, is not, there is a difference.

What fact? It is not a fact if it is still in dispute. Many believe it is another tall tale. So who is the teacher to tell the child what culture or ways to live. Many culture believe in different things. Just because the teacher does not believe it is right does not mean she has the right to interfere with people cultures and beliefs.

VacationGuy234 · 12-06-2011, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

What fact? It is not a fact if it is still in dispute. Many believe it is another tall tale. So who is the teacher to tell the child what culture or ways to live. Many culture believe in different things. Just because the teacher does not believe it is right does not mean she has the right to interfere with people cultures and beliefs.

The fact that a supreme being exist or not is still in dispute, there is a question of how the universe got here. However, there is no question about how the presents get put under the xmas tree, it's entirely created by the parent.

**Reba** · 12-06-2011, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by VacationGuy234

...The teacher in this case, unlike Santa Clause, has a job ....

The movie?

**Reba** · 12-06-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by VacationGuy234

That fact is still in dispute, Santa Clause, however, is not, there is a difference.

...or the legal escape clause?

Frisky Feline · 12-06-2011, 12:10 PM

Teachers has no position to make decisions to tell anything to children but teaching them only according to the educaiton. santa is not an educaiton but holiday.

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KristinaB New SDIT Deacon Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Land of the backstroke Posts: 13,779	Okay - so what if parents want to tell their kids that it's okay to believe in Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The tooth fairy or whoever. That is a parent's right. Little "Sally's" parents didn't really want to spread the stories of Santa and all the others, but, they also did not want her to miss out on things just for being different. My kids never believed in Santa or the others. It wasn't a conscious decision of ours, but it just happened that way. Even though they didn't believe, they still had fun leaving a plate of cookies for "Santa". My son was the one, who at age 3, said that we needed to make sure that the cookies were my favorite ones, since "Mommy, I just know you like playing Santa and you deserve that cookie." My daughter loved to leave "reindeer" food in the yard since we had deer who often came through and "You just never know, mom!" They also never went "Trick or Treating" in their lives. STILL, the teacher should not have been the one to do this. That teacher may not have known the parents wishes or anything like that. __________________ Taking life one day at a time.

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TXgolfer Dream Weaver Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Everywhere Posts: 17,700	Why did the teacher stop with Santa anyway? Why didn't she tell Johnny that his folks are only staying together through the holidays? Or tell Sally about mom being an alcoholic? Maybe she could explain the "walk of shame" one day when she comes to school a little "wrinkly" Or, she could tell Bobby about the lithium dad takes and how he once showed up at a PTA meeting painted gold like the "FTD guy". Maybe she could have broken down the stats on how many of them would end up in prison and homeless or so addicted to drugs they wouldn't know their name. Perhaps delve into the fact that for some of them even a 1st grade education is a waste of time because they will probably OD before they are out of high school. Or perhaps gunned down by gangs. Maybe she could tell them how the few of them that actually make it into the real world are going to spend their lives in jobs they hate, paying bills they don't want to pay while raising kids that will eventually blame them for everything that goes wrong in their lives thanks to the shrink that they pay for. Maybe they could take a field trip to the cemetery and she could tell them "it really doesn't matter what the f%#@ you do with your life, you all end up here". She could even tell them how the school lunches are going to cause some of them to lose a foot someday because someone in a suit decided pizza was a vegetable and apple juice with 32g of sugar is healthy. Why did she choose Santa of all lies? Falalalala lalalala Tousi, Babyblue, Steinhauer and 1 others like this. __________________ Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. - Romans 12:21 Sometimes at night, I see their faces. I feel the traces they've left on my soul

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Babyblue Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 12,001	Perhaps the class was misbehaving that day. Or little Johnny got on her nerves and he told her Santa will bring him presents dispite of his actions of being naughty. Regardless it is not the teachers duty to tell the children. It is the parents. Just like it is not the teacher job to say there (is a/or no) such thing as God Tousi and TXgolfer like this.

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