Teacher Tells Kids There Is No Santa Claus - Page 10

**TXgolfer** · 12-14-2011, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Then you are in agreement with me.

If we are to assume it is a religious issue, as you stated was the case in post #255 when referring to Steinhauer's video, then yes it shouldn't be taught for OR against.

jillio · 12-14-2011, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JabberJay

ok I don't like this but I'm going to play devils advocate here.

What if she had no choice?
If she was teaching about the north pole she has the duty to tell the facts, and if a question is asked she needs to respond with truth.
Yes she could have said "go talk to you parents" but we all know kids that young tend to not let up and are very insistent.
She can't tell them that there is a Santa because what about the cultures that do not believe in Santa? She would get into trouble for that also, possibly worse so.

Yeah I believe the kids who are told about Santa should learn on their own but there are some instances where you can't really avoid it.

Exactly. She was following her obligation to teach the state mandated curriculum.

jillio · 12-14-2011, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

If we are to assume it is a religious issue, as you stated was the case in post #255 when referring to Steinhauer's video, then yes it shouldn't be taught for OR against.

Why do you keep repeating what I said? She wasn't teaching a section on Christmas. She was teaching a section on the North Pole. Christmas was brought into it by the children. Santa Claus is a secular aspect of Christmas, not a religious one. Unless, of course, you belong to some Santa worshipping cult I am not aware of.

jillio · 12-14-2011, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Doesn't this kinda imply that kids have power over the teacher?

Have you ever been in a classroom with a bunch of second graders?

But seriously, no it does not imply that at all. In fact, it states that the teacher will be teaching according to the curriculum no matter what questions come up from the students. She will be imparting accurate information to the students. That is what education is all about. We send our children to school to be educated. Or at least, I think most people send their children to school to be educated. Some appear to only want the school system to serve as a baby sitter.

**TXgolfer** · 12-14-2011, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Why do you keep repeating what I said? .

Because my post #256 referred specifically to what you said in post #255

You were mistaken in applying my post #256 to the OP as you did in post #262

jillio · 12-14-2011, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Beach girl

As a teacher of early elementary students, stories with fantasy and magic and wonder come up all in the time. She could have thought ahead and been prepared with something like "Santa lives in the magical North Pole; this is the geography of the natural North Pole that we are learning about."

All cultures have stories of magical, mythical beings that children learn about. Ours is no different. It takes a peculiarly harsh adult to tell a group of young children, flat out, that the myths are not true.

If she can't deal with fantasy tactfully, maybe she shouldn't be teaching early elementary grades. She might be better suited for older children.

Or she could have asked other teachers how they handle it.

My mom was a kindergarten teacher for 20 years. She had to deal with Santa Claus carefully, neither confirming nor denying. She always found a way to do it that threaded that needle carefully.

Culture is passed from parent to child. Teachers are not in a classroom to teach myth. They are in a classroom to impart accurate information.

I guess our teachers should just be teaching myth and fantasy to kids instead of useless things like geography and math and reading.

jillio · 12-14-2011, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Because my post #256 referred specifically to what you said in post #255

You were mistaken in applying my post #256 to the OP as you did in post #262

Yep, as I thought. You are terribly confused.

**Daredevel7** · 12-14-2011, 04:20 PM

Well.. what about sex, then?

What if a really young kid (i.e. age-inappropriate) asks about sex?

A teacher has to do her duty to inform them about sex?

Sigh.. I don't even know why I bother to ask, because I know what's the answer. "Sex would not be part of the curriculum for an age-inappropriate group, therefore the teacher would not have to inform them."

Funny that a teacher can avoid the question because "it's not part of the curriculum." but they cannot avoid the question if it's "somewhat related to the curriculum."

MyNameIsNO · 12-14-2011, 04:22 PM

i am honest to you. i do not see what big deal is :shrug: so what if teacher is telling kids truth of santa is not existing??? i am different bec my parents very honest and not raise me in life with lies. they believe it stupid for feed kids with fantasy of myth character. i think parents act stupid and overeact. what is wrong with teacher for taking kids out of fantasyland? she just want teachs them reality. there is no santaclaus, toothfairy, easter bunny when i was grow up. i am little kid before, i did tolds everyone that santa claus is FAKE. their parent upset and yelling to my parents.

Beach girl · 12-14-2011, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Culture is passed from parent to child. Teachers are not in a classroom to teach myth. They are in a classroom to impart accurate information.

I guess our teachers should just be teaching myth and fantasy to kids instead of useless things like geography and math and reading.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Very dichotomous - and erroneous - thinking, I'm afraid.

An elementary school teacher for the early grades needs to think ahead and be prepared. This one wasn't.

jillio · 12-14-2011, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

Well.. what about sex, then?

What if a really young kid (i.e. age-inappropriate) asks about sex?

A teacher has to do her duty to inform them about sex?

Sigh.. I don't even know why I bother to ask, because I know what's the answer. "Sex would not be part of the curriculum for an age-inappropriate group, therefore the teacher would not have to inform them."

Funny that a teacher can avoid the question because "it's not part of the curriculum." but they cannot avoid the question if it's "somewhat related to the curriculum."

Depends. Is the teacher in the process of teaching a science section dealing with reproduction? But I would think a teacher would provide accurate information regarding that question as well, as appropriate to the child's understanding of science as possible. I certainly wouldn't expect her to say, "The stork brings babies."

jillio · 12-14-2011, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Beach girl

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Very dichotomous - and erroneous - thinking, I'm afraid.

An elementary school teacher for the early grades needs to think ahead and be prepared. This one wasn't.

Obviously, you are a bit confused regarding the nature of dichotomous thinking.

Why should any teacher be obligated to support myth and fantasy based on what a parent lies their kids about at home? Teachers can't possibly keep track of all the different lies a parent tells their kid.

**Banjo** · 12-14-2011, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Beach girl

Guess what, they don't come from "tummies" either. Your parents lied to you, sorry to say.

Naturally, I don't expect people who are too dense to be capable of comprehending whatever I'm saying here.

**Banjo** · 12-14-2011, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Obviously, you are a bit confused regarding the nature of dichotomous thinking.

Why should any teacher be obligated to support myth and fantasy based on what a parent lies their kids about at home? Teachers can't possibly keep track of all the different lies a parent tells their kid.

Well, what did you expect from people who are materialistic and blindly support the blatant commercializing of a holiday?

Beach girl · 12-14-2011, 04:50 PM

Oh, please. You are the one who is confused - as usual. Your thinking about this is either/or, fantasy/fact, fable/truth. That is dichotomous thinking, "dividing into two distinct parts," or "all or nothing" thinking.

It's actually part of a Borderline Personality Disorder, as perhaps you are aware.

All or Nothing: Dichotomous Thinking

"Why should any teacher be obligated to support myth and fantasy based on what a parent lies their kids about at home? Teachers can't possibly keep track of all the different lies a parent tells their kid."

A first-grade teacher should certainly expect the subject of Santa Claus to come up, especially when teaching a unit about the North Pole during the weeks just before Christmas. She should have been better prepared.

jillio · 12-14-2011, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Naturally, I don't expect people who are too dense to be capable of comprehending whatever I'm saying here.

Exactly. Your parents provided age appropriate information. The main thing is, they did not lie to you and feed you some myth about birds delivering babies.

jillio · 12-14-2011, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Beach girl

Oh, please. You are the one who is confused - as usual. Your thinking about this is either/or, fantasy/fact, fable/truth. That is dichotomous thinking, "dividing into two distinct parts," or "all or nothing" thinking.

It's actually part of a Borderline Personality Disorder, as perhaps you are aware.

All or Nothing: Dichotomous Thinking

"Why should any teacher be obligated to support myth and fantasy based on what a parent lies their kids about at home? Teachers can't possibly keep track of all the different lies a parent tells their kid."

A first-grade teacher should certainly expect the subject of Santa Claus to come up, especially when teaching a unit about the North Pole during the weeks just before Christmas. She should have been better prepared.

Better prepared to do what? Support children believing in lies? And it was a second grade teacher.

**SneakerNet** · 12-14-2011, 04:55 PM

MAAAAAWWWWWMMMMM!!!! DAAAAAAAD!!!! YOU LIED!!!! I set up nammy kam!!! It was YOUUUUU alll along!!!

I'm NEFER GONNA FRUST YOU AGAIN!!!

jillio · 12-14-2011, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Well, what did you expect from people who are materialistic and blindly support the blatant commercializing of a holiday?

Exactly. If people spent more time year round showing their friends and family members how important they are to them, they wouldn't have to be so consumed with trying to do it by spending money for one day a year.

MyNameIsNO · 12-14-2011, 04:55 PM

wow many different opinon view is clashing on all deaf. but i read jiro what he is saying. yes it is right that kids believeing santa claus and whine act so f**king bratty that they want more present. they is need learn true mean of christmas. christmas is not about gets new car, jewelry, barbies, etc. christmas true meaning that is happiness and enjoys company with families friends.

jillio · 12-14-2011, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SneakerNet

MAAAAAWWWWWMMMMM!!!! DAAAAAAAD!!!! YOU LIED!!!! I set up nammy kam!!! It was YOUUUUU alll along!!!

I'm NEFER GONNA FRUST YOU AGAIN!!!

I'm sure that you are being facetious, but lying to a child not only teaches them not to trust, it also teaches them to lie. After all, parents do it. You just have to come up with a "good reason" for lying, then it is okay.

**TXgolfer** · 12-14-2011, 05:03 PM

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that the presents under their trees were put out by their parents, and not St. Nick.

Read more: Christmas outrage! Upstate teacher tell kids Santa’s fake - NYPOST.com

Sounds like pretty specific Geography BTW.....

**SneakerNet** · 12-14-2011, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

I'm sure that you are being facetious, but lying to a child not only teaches them not to trust, it also teaches them to lie. After all, parents do it. You just have to come up with a "good reason" for lying, then it is okay.

Smile, yes. But not only that, computer technology continue to expand, getting into virtual reality where kids one day will come up with the idea of using cam (of any kind), wanting to catch the "real Santa Claus" of their dream. It could happen down the road.

**TXgolfer** · 12-14-2011, 05:19 PM

This woman clearly suffers from CSDD. I suggest she be given time off (without pay) to deal with these emotional issues

jillio · 12-14-2011, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SneakerNet

Smile, yes. But not only that, computer technology continue to expand, getting into virtual reality where kids one day will come up with the idea of using cam (of any kind), wanting to catch the "real Santa Claus" of their dream. It could happen down the road.

I would be surprised if it hasn't happened already. People generally don't give kids credit for being as intelligent and creative as they are.

jillio · 12-14-2011, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

This woman clearly suffers from CSDD. I suggest she be given time off (without pay) to deal with these emotional issues

Diagnosing online?

jillio · 12-14-2011, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Read more: Christmas outrage! Upstate teacher tell kids Santa’s fake - NYPOST.com

Sounds like pretty specific Geography BTW.....

The New York Post?

Really? That is what you are going to use to support your position? Really?

This is just like the CI threads. None of the kids have stated that their Christmas has been ruined. As long as they get their presents, I'm pretty sure they don't give a crap who puts them under the tree. It is the parents whining and complaining because they have been busted in their lies. This isn't about the kids. It is about the parents projeting their reactions onto the child. Parents seriously need to get over seeing their kids as nothing more than an extension of themselves.

**TXgolfer** · 12-14-2011, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Diagnosing online?

Just a hunch

**TXgolfer** · 12-14-2011, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

The New York Post?

Really? That is what you are going to use to support your position? Really?
.

Umm, that is the link from the OP.

Steinhauer · 12-14-2011, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

I'm sure that you are being facetious, but lying to a child not only teaches them not to trust, it also teaches them to lie. After all, parents do it. You just have to come up with a "good reason" for lying, then it is okay.

:bsflag:

Why stop at Santa? There was no glass slipper, cows can't jump over the moon, and fairy dust can't make you fly.

12-14-2011, 04:20 PM	#278 (permalink)
Daredevel7 Adrenaline Junky Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 4,341	Well.. what about sex, then? What if a really young kid (i.e. age-inappropriate) asks about sex? A teacher has to do her duty to inform them about sex? Sigh.. I don't even know why I bother to ask, because I know what's the answer. "Sex would not be part of the curriculum for an age-inappropriate group, therefore the teacher would not have to inform them." Funny that a teacher can avoid the question because "it's not part of the curriculum." but they cannot avoid the question if it's "somewhat related to the curriculum." TXgolfer likes this.

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MyNameIsNO Banned Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 692	i am honest to you. i do not see what big deal is :shrug: so what if teacher is telling kids truth of santa is not existing??? i am different bec my parents very honest and not raise me in life with lies. they believe it stupid for feed kids with fantasy of myth character. i think parents act stupid and overeact. what is wrong with teacher for taking kids out of fantasyland? she just want teachs them reality. there is no santaclaus, toothfairy, easter bunny when i was grow up. i am little kid before, i did tolds everyone that santa claus is FAKE. their parent upset and yelling to my parents. jillio and cmdrwhitewolf like this.

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MyNameIsNO Banned Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 692	wow many different opinon view is clashing on all deaf. but i read jiro what he is saying. yes it is right that kids believeing santa claus and whine act so f**king bratty that they want more present. they is need learn true mean of christmas. christmas is not about gets new car, jewelry, barbies, etc. christmas true meaning that is happiness and enjoys company with families friends. jillio and cmdrwhitewolf like this.

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12-14-2011, 04:50 PM	#285 (permalink)
Beach girl Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: northern Virginia in winter; NC in summer Posts: 3,760	Oh, please. You are the one who is confused - as usual. Your thinking about this is either/or, fantasy/fact, fable/truth. That is dichotomous thinking, "dividing into two distinct parts," or "all or nothing" thinking. It's actually part of a Borderline Personality Disorder, as perhaps you are aware. All or Nothing: Dichotomous Thinking "Why should any teacher be obligated to support myth and fantasy based on what a parent lies their kids about at home? Teachers can't possibly keep track of all the different lies a parent tells their kid." A first-grade teacher should certainly expect the subject of Santa Claus to come up, especially when teaching a unit about the North Pole during the weeks just before Christmas. She should have been better prepared.

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