anakin

no, but you also can't deny that the numbers of non-believers are rising.

Most religious groups in USA have lost ground, survey finds - USATODAY.com

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kokonut

Nobody lives forever.

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Beowulf

You took the words right out of my mouth.

jillio

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Wait! We have changed the thread to "unrelated metaphors", haven't we?

kokonut

It's about individual consumer choices. They still have that right to decide where to shop. Not you.

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souggy

I thought the founding fathers were deists who admired the works of atheists?

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jillio

They were. I bet they'd shop at Best Buy, too!

Lighthouse77

hey, hubby's co-worker wanted to stop shopping at books-a-million because they don't support gay rights.

it's the consumer choice where to shop.

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dogmom

I happen to agree with Jillio, sally, WriteAlex, Shel, anakin......I say, go, Best Buy! I am glad the Muslim holiday is recognized
<note- since Jewish is culture as well as other....>
We observed Hanukkah when I was growing up....my parents remember the restrictive covenants in suburbs surrounding us, and then I remember one day when I was about 8 and my dad and I were retuning from some outing around this time of year and we went past a church in a suburban area and the ad out front said something like, "wishing our Jewish neighbors "Happy Hanukkah" and my dad was happily shocked at the difference-

jillio

Absolutely, it is the consumer's choice. So why the big deal? No one is trying to take anyone's choice away. Shop there or don't. No biggie.

rockdrummer

I'm not disputing that and I am sure there is a paradigm shift going on.

netrox

Books-a-million? Never heard of it. I know Borders provide equality for gays.

Lighthouse77

I don't know why he felt that way, as I haven't seen anything about that. Maybe he meant fundraising and that they didn't put any charity in it. Whatever the reason, he was glad Barnes and Noble was built so he doesn't have to shop there.

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TWA

First of all, that's a red herring. Has nothing to do with the founding principles of our nation. But I'll answer your question anyway:

It depends on your definition of the word "Christian." If you mean someone who goes to church regularly, believes Jesus Christ died for their sins, and accepts and follows all the teachings and dogma of the Christian religion to the best of their ability, I would say NO.

If you mean someone who is simply expected to be Christian because of their upbringing, and because they have nothing else to believe in, but really do not go to church or follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, except when it is convenient to do so (and claim to be doing so), then I'd say MAYBE.

The fact of the matter is, religion has no place in politics or the identity of this nation. It is its own institution with its own identity and politics.

Lighthouse77

non-believers have always existed and in pretty high number. Some do not want to go to church and have anything to do with God so that's no new news to me. They always preferred Partying, sex, etc. over churches. That's what gospel or soul-winning is for and why Amazing Grace is pretty popular in churches (was lost but now found). Just saying.

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sallylou

Souggy, are correct. However, there is a strong Puritan influence in some groups of American society, especially with respect to sex,alcohol use and tolerance for other religions. This is especially true in the North East (early New England), although the traveling preachers brought these ideas down South.

Ben Franklin, in particular, disliked the Puritans. The Franklins had run ins with Boston's Puritan leadership over critical articles published in his brother's newspaper (including making fun of the clergy). James Franklin was jailed and Ben kept the newspaper going. After James was released, he harassed and beat Ben, who ran away to Quaker Philadelphia. During that time, colonists were not supposed to move to another colony with out permission, and running away was illegal. Philadelphia was the beneficiary of Ben's talent, including his newspaper, almanac, private circulating library, fire prevention, inventions and political skill.

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sallylou

Sorry, I can't make church. I'm busy with my lesbian Wiccan coven. I'm only a couple of recruits from a new toaster.

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anakin

um.. LOL, religious people still do party and have sex..

maybe we don't want to go to church/temple/mosques/etc. or have anything to do with god(s) because we don't believe in any of it? it's not that hard to grasp.

jillio

anakin

you can put my name down for that lesbian wiccan coven, i'd be glad to support you in your goal of acquiring a new toaster!

Lighthouse77

that's their reason too. They don't believe any of it and it's always been that way... like I said, it's no new news. or nothing new under the sun.

yes, I know some people who believe in God have sex and party.... and go to church.(but I promise you, if the church tell them to stop that, you bet they will stop going to that church)

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souggy

Yeah... I always found it odd that the Constitution refer to a Creator, not a God... Didn't know why until someone from Georgia explained it, and it was reinforced in college.

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jillio

Soooo....religion is all about being in a specific location come Sunday morning? Some seem to think that's all there is to it. They can be nasty, dispicable, hateful, liars and theives the rest of the week as long as they are sitting in their pew come Sunday morning. Shame while they are sitting there they fail to grasp even a small portion of what the man they claim to serve had to say.

Lighthouse77

It's more than that. you wouldn't understand it's not about attendant.

I do wish people wouldn't make people work on Sundays though.

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jillio

I wouldn't understand? Let's just say someone doesn't understand, but it's not me. What about not making people work on Saturday? Some people attend religious services on Saturday. What about Wednesday? Some people attend religious services on Wed. Heck, why make people work at all. God will provide.

KarissaMann05

Okay. I see people complain so much. Well, let's remove all happy holidays!

... ... ...Well, I don't think it is fair to excluded Christmas and allowed another religious holidays. I used to love Best Buy until I saw tv news. I totally lost respect for Best Buy. So, I can understand Eve's POV, but I don't know if I want to shop at Best Buy or not.

Good riddance... =/

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sallylou

nothing new under the sun = Ecclesiastes

Read that and it didn't have the answer, either.

Thanks, anakin. It's a fun crowd! LOL!

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Lighthouse77

some people have to work or they would be fired.

Like my husband or my friend had to work certain number of sundays at walmart or she would be let off (or won't be hired)

yes,they on wednesday too.

We can't have too many mixed up days or no one will fellowship!

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anakin

why? is it because it's the day of worship for christians? not fair to those non-believers and people of other religions.. sunday is just like any other day of the week.