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Good postie Cheri!!

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Liebling:-)))

I find both links are interesting to read what they interpret.


The Fall of Adam mortality god eve

Old Testament - Genesis

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it's a "Mormon" Religious, I'm not interesting in reading other people's Religious.

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I understand what you say meaning you don't like push etc..... They were missing Galatians 5:19-26


19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

(it not right push people involved religions because they missed fruit spiritual!)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Reba

How many years did Adam and Eve live before they disobeyed God? How often did God talk to them and teach them? How do you know how much they knew? Answer: you don't. And yet you dare judge God when you don't even know all the facts.


God told them the consequence. He told them they would die.



They knew that they must obey God but they chose not to.

Quote:

They didn't live in garden home long until this happenend like we live many years to have knowledge what right and wrong.

How do you know how long they lived before they ate the forbidden fruit?


No, your question is not being "denied." You just don't like the answers that you get.


So to which "specialist" do you go for your eternal life? Which specialist will keep you out of Hell and welcome you into Heaven?

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This links, I provide for everyone - no matter either you or anyone are interesting or not because those link belongs other religion believer but I find those link interesting to see what and how they interpret differently way.

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[QUOTE]The first child of many children were born out of garden Eden. Genesis 4:25 The list of Genesis tell that Adam and Eve could not have been in the Garden of Eden longer!


I only know from my bible that God talk and teach Adam after first creation which mean is God is there for him time to time... name to any animals, anything... until God noticed that each animals have mates which Adam doesn't have mate to company him. "He is lonely" - his lonely tells that God did not being with him often? He created Eve to company Adam and can have many children with him. Adam taught Eve anything what we have in Garden home.


Simple answer: They only know what they have is in garden home and animals.

I would say the same thing about you either. You judge Eve and Adam for their sin to deny that forbidden tree was being placed is the blame. You are the one who deny the logic fact that God is the responsible who place the forbidden tree in first place to test their faith.

What God told them is dishonestly because they didn't die straight way after eat forbidden fruit.

It's right and true consequence if God tell them to leave garden home and will face many troubles and will work hard for their foods and live in thorns and thistles around them if they eat that forbidden fruit. Eve and Adam will know the consequence because they don't want to lose beautiful Eden garden. They were like shock because they didn't know that they have to leave garden home for disobey God.

Because God never told them about Satan's existence. How could they know then? How could they know good or bad then? Eve beleive in "Satan" because she thought a "Satan" who work for God, told her that she will have knowledge of good and bad like God, not die. God don't mind... After eat the forbidden fruit then they know what good and bad is about.

Repeatly answer: The first child of many children were born out of Eden Garden which mean that they did not live Eden garden longer. Do you think they have to wait to make a baby as soon as Eve just was being created? Nope!



Nope, most of different religion beleivers said that my question is very good. Those question, I repeated for YEARS... I tested my repeat question few times to several Christians soon after I first registered AD in 2004.

The answer you gave me is pretty illogical because Jesus did not ask for punish to death. If Jesus want die for us then he would go to see Roman authorities to tell them to crucifie him for us but he doesn't. The fact is he was arrested because one of his 12 apostles betrayed him and then was sentenced to death with crucifixion for blasphemy by Roman authorities.


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Something "imperfect" hit my head when I was typed the post to response Reba...

Question:

Why God created each male and female animals to company each other to forget Adam who need a female to company. It shows imperfect that God forget to create a female for Adam until he first noticed that each animals have mates which Adam doesn't. He was lonely... Ohhhh yes, he said to himself and then created Eve later... It shows that he FORGET to create a woman for him on the same time as he already created each male and female animals.

IMPERFECT!!!!!

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[QUOTE]Yes I know and do not deny it.

I respectfully disagree. It's not right consequence because the people has the right to know what and why.

Yes we do have many bad things in our life but it's no excuse to blame God or Satan for that but positive negatives one ourselves. Job's situation shows the example that we should not blame God for that. The fact what we learn about Job from the bible over the between God and Satan.

Exactly


It has nothing do with blame God but the fact is that we learn from our bible history what and how God did.


Yes, I already stated in my previous posts several time that I am not angry and bitter to blame God for that but positive myself for my life and my family.

This is your opinion which I see different as you what I know from my bible that the God thought everything is prefect when he created the earth until he placed the tree of knowledge to test Adam's and Eve's faith.......... This is a history what and how we come from. I accept it with no anger against God or Eve & Adam.

Exactly

It's no excuse to blame Satan or Eve & Adam for that. I am not angry or pissed over God for placed the forbidden tree in first place but the fact is he is the responsible for place the tree in first place when he KNEW the earth will happens before he placed the tree.

Exactly


I only beleive in what and how I did in my own strength to positive my life. I would thank the people for teach me how to positive my life. God would not want that we faith him for his help but want to see us to cope our own strength. IMO.

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Interesting, my bible didn't say this. I can see that our bible say different. I only know from the bible that Eve & Adam turn into different couple after eat the forbidden fruit and know what right and wrong is about. They hide from God and shame their naked bodies. God send angels to tell them to leave garden home for disobey God.

It sound childish to me when Adam pointed to Eve and blame her for that and then Eve pointed and blame the serpent.

Yes, Adam & Eve were sinned after ate forbidden fruit but God should not place the forbidden tree to test their faith in first place. It's no difference either blame them or God but point the fact who placed the tree in first place. It's God, not Satan. Like what Askjo said in his previous post that God has the reason to place the forbidden tree and created the couple because of Satan.

What and how God did with earth is part of his plan.

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That's because you're reading from JW.

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Liebling:-)))

Yes, that's right. I got it as a gift from my JW couple whom are my friends. I also learn Catholic belief as well because I was raised to learn about Catholic belief because my family are Roman Catholic. My Grandma was a strong Roman Catholic. I didn't know anything about this until you told me here for a first time. Like what I said before that we have different bibles.

I don't mind to get any bible book as gift from my friends whom have different beleifs because they are my friends and accept to learn where they come from.

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Liebling, Instead of saying "this is not from my bible" You're reading JW's, that's not your Religious, why follow that bible if it's not your Religious, it does not make no sense. no offended.

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Liebling:-)))

wow, *speechless*

What I want to read ANY bibles is my business. I consider ANY bible stories as a history. Reading the bible doesn't mean that I have to become religion but consider the bible as a history in neutral way because I am interesting.

The bible I got is a GIFT to RESPECT my JW friends. Why have I repeat this to you. I would get ANY bible story from different religion beleivers to RESPECT them because they are my FRIENDS. Should I throw their bible to trash bin? *shake my head*

Where is your respect? It show no friend if you show no respect on their different beliefs.

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Don't misunderstood me Liebling, I was pointing something out to you, the fact that you read JW's bible, and not any other bible as of yet, You took JW's bible as your own bible, this is how you said it "It didn't say that in my bible". I'm not trying to disrespect you from what you decide to read, but to point something out, that JW's people believe in their bible, and you also believe in their bible since you said that it didn't show in the bible you were reading, so that means you believe in JW's Religious.

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Genesis 4:25
And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

How does that verse show the length of time that Adam and Eve lived in Eden????


Do I need to explain to you about the birds and bees? Adam's fellowship with God was not the same as a relationship with a woman.


How do you know that? Were you there? Did you hear every conversation that God had with Adam?


I didn't judge them; God judged them. I didn't deny that God put the tree in the garden.

James 1
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.


[quote]What God told them is dishonestly because they didn't die straight way after eat forbidden fruit.
Yes, they did. On that day, their bodies became mortal, and the dying process began. Also, their spirits died to God until they repented and He forgave them.


Where did you read that in the Bible?


How do you know which things God told them or didn't tell them? It doesn't matter if Eve knew "who" Satan was; she knew that he wasn't telling her the same thing that God told her, and that she was supposed to obey God, not anyone else.


Adam and Eve fell into the sin of disobedience BEFORE their children were conceived or born, so that has nothing to do with what happened in Eden. We don't know how many years passed from the day they were created until they ate the forbidden fruit.

Just because Adam "knew" his wife Eve while they lived in Eden doesn't mean she became pregnant while they lived there. I'm sure you know enough about the facts of life to understand that pregnancy doesn't happen every time a couple has intercourse.


"Different religion believers"? If they aren't Christians, how do they know the true answer? Maybe they are experts about their own religions but they don't know a relationship with Christ.


Jesus came to earth with the full understanding that He would die on the Cross. He volunteered for that.

Why would He need to go to the Roman authorities to request crucifixion? If He had done that, they would have ignored Him. Just because someone pops up and requests crucifixion, it didn't happen. That wasn't the lawful process that the Romans followed. The whole process happened the way it was supposed to.

You can't change history. You can either accept it or deny it but you can't change what happened, even if it doesn't fit your style of "logic".


How can your pastor get you into Heaven?

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Lol Good answers Reba.

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The reality is that the Bible doesn't say anything about "pets".


God did not send the first 10 children back to earth. Didn't you read my explanation? I said that Job would see them again in Paradise, not on Earth. Job and his wife had a total of 20 children.

I don't know if God sent the animals to Job or made it possible for Job to buy them, or if he started with a few animals who were prolific in bearing many more animals. What does it matter? God made it possible, and that's the point. I really don't know how you can miss that.

Apparently, you know that you can't deny that it happened so you are trying to attack the "how" of it happening. You must be getting desperate.

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You said it, not me.


No, God didn't "forget." God showed us His reason for creating Eve, and showed His designed relationship for Adam and Eve, and all future married couples. He wanted us to know that the relationship between and man and woman is more than what animals require. It's a special relationship, different from what male and female animals have.

Yes, there is something "imperfect"--it's your reasoning that's imperfect.

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you misinterpreted some of my posts, Reba. I am going to clear your posts later.

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Leibling, I have mentioned this to you once before and I don't like repeating stuff because we are all supposed to be adults here. You always say that you "collect" stuff/points of views/philosophy from different books, friends, etc out of respect. for them. But where is the "respect" for yourself? I think that is what some of us are asking. What is the guiding factor of your own life; nevermind everyone else? You have had many years to make a decision for what is the one central belief that guides and nutures your own life? It is okay to see what others say, etc but what is dear to YOUR own heart?

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Thank you very much to bring this attention, Tousi!

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You said... "1 day? 1 year? 10 year? 10,000 year? a million year?"

I was just figuratively speaking.

As for death, that would be impossible. If death didn't exist, Earth would have been overpopulated in a short time.

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Not necessarily. We don't know what God had originally planned about the human birth rate.

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Of course Job wouldn't dare to do anything stupid because God [B]spoke[B] to him. If God was speaking to me, I would do the same thing like Job by dont questioning God instead accept him because I would know God have the power to either destory me or restoring everything back to me.


Damn *bleep* We have to suffer all because of these stupid human beings!!

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Secretblend

Alot of people that God spoke to even turned their back on God. Adam and Eve did and they spoke with God. Just cause God spoke with you don't mean you would have done right thing each time..

We suffer because of our own stupidity too. However, Jesus was only one that did right thing at all times and still he suffered too. Which would you say got the worse of it? Jesus or us??

lumbingmi

Billions of people have to suffer because of two goofs messed it up. Okay.

You can't compare Jesus' sufferings to other people. There are many people who suffered the worst than Jesus. Jeez.

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Jesus never done anything wrong, he did not deserved to be punished for our sins, we should being punished for our own sins. So yes, Jesus got worst than we ever will or ever did.

Since Jesus loves us this much to die for our sins, that means so much more than any humankind would ever do.

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Historically, there are millions of innocents who suffered and die for no reasons. I can name you few.. Crusaders, Massacre of Native Americans, Iraq War..

Hint: all of these were done in name of God

FYI, Jesus wasn't only person who love us so much that he died for us. There are many good people who willing to die for others. Our US soilders are good example

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See? You just blamed God. You're just wasting my time. Read post #221.

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