Is God Perfect? - Page 5

lumbingmi · 02-23-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Secretblend

We as humans are getting what we deserve today. Sin is very rampant on earth and we (good and bad) are reaping the rewards of that. One day the saved will reap the reward of trying their best to do what is right for God. It may not make sense right now but one wonderful day, it will!

Whoa! We deserved it? Wow. *SMH*

Cheri · 02-23-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Secretblend

We as humans are getting what we deserve today. Sin is very rampant on earth and we (good and bad) are reaping the rewards of that. One day the saved will reap the reward of trying their best to do what is right for God. It may not make sense right now but one wonderful day, it will!

Secretblend · 02-23-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lumbingmi

Whoa! We deserved it? Wow. *SMH*

You don't think we deserve what we are reaping? How so, I'm curius to see how you will explain that.

lumbingmi · 02-23-2008, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Secretblend

You don't think we deserve what we are reaping? How so, I'm curius to see how you will explain that.

Don't you mean "we deserve what we are sowing?" You can't reap anything if you don't sow anything in the first place.

Are you saying that we are sowing/or spreading evil today that why we desevre the suffering? Wow, victims from Katrina Hurricane would like to have a word with you.

GarnetTigerMom · 02-23-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lumbingmi

Don't you mean "we deserve what we are sowing?" You can't reap anything if you don't sow anything in the first place.

Are you saying that we are sowing/or spreading evil today that why we desevre the suffering? Wow, victims from Katrina Hurricane would like to have a word with you.

You got that right, I would agree with you on this one. :-)

Secretblend · 02-23-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lumbingmi

Don't you mean "we deserve what we are sowing?" You can't reap anything if you don't sow anything in the first place.

Are you saying that we are sowing/or spreading evil today that why we desevre the suffering? Wow, people from Katrina would like to have a word with you.

Everybody has sinned! Even you and I, therefore yes! We are getting what we deserve, even those at Katrina.

lumbingmi · 02-23-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Secretblend

Everybody has sinned! Even you and I, therefore yes! We are getting what we deserve, even those at Katrina.

Wow. I dunno what to say

Reba · 02-23-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lumbingmi

He surely do "influence" evil people to do stupid things in order to make things easier for his people to be victorious.

Evil people do evil things because their hearts are evil not because God forces them to do things.

Reba · 02-23-2008, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lumbingmi

Whoa! We deserved it? Wow. *SMH*

Actually, because of God's grace, we aren't getting nearly the judgment that we deserve.

Secretblend · 02-23-2008, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Actually, because of God's grace, we aren't getting nearly the judgment that we deserve.

lumbingmi · 02-23-2008, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Evil people do evil things because their hearts are evil not because God forces them to do things.

Thus he violated the "free will" No matter how you spin it in one or other way.

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Originally Posted by Reba

Actually, because of God's grace, we aren't getting nearly the judgment that we deserve.

So you agree with Secretblend that victims of any natural disaster deserve it?

Secretblend · 02-23-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lumbingmi

Thus he violated the "free will" No matter how you spin it in one or other way.

How is that viloating "free will?" God is allowing man to do what he wants. That is giving man free will.

lumbingmi · 02-23-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Secretblend

How is that viloating "free will?" God is allowing man to do what he wants. That is giving man free will.

Re-read my post #114 http://www.alldeaf.com/christianity-...tml#post924032

You ll see that God on purposely caused people to do evil things in order to tide things in Christian's favor. If it was 'free will', God should not make Pharoah's heart to be harden or cause problems. He should keep his hand off if he advocate the concept of 'feel will'.

Secretblend · 02-23-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by lumbingmi

Re-read my post #114 http://www.alldeaf.com/christianity-...tml#post924032

You ll see that God on purposely caused people to do evil things in order to tide things in Christian's favor.

No, He did not! He gave man a choice. Unfortunally man made a choice to not follow God's rule. Cause of man's choice, he fell into sin and started the whole problem that we have today.

lumbingmi · 02-23-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Secretblend

No, He did not! He gave man a choice. Unfortunally man made a choice to not follow God's rule. Cause of man's choice, he fell into sin and started the whole problem that we have today.

Obviously you didn't bother to read what I post. I said if God believes in 'free will' , he should not cause troubles or problems to people. Instead, he should keep his hand off and allow people to dictate for themselves.

So victims of Katrina Hurricane deserve to die and have their home destoryed because they chose to sin and did not believe in God?

Secretblend · 02-23-2008, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lumbingmi

Obviously you didn't bother to read what I post. I said if God believes in 'free will' , he should not cause troubles or problems to people. Instead, he should keep his hand off and allow people to dictate for themselves.

So victims of Katrina Hurricane deserve to die and have their home destoryed because they chose to sin and did not believe in God?

He does if you want him to. Unfortunally, too many people had chosen not to let God in their life and that is why we got too many problems.

Reba · 02-23-2008, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by lumbingmi

Thus he violated the "free will" No matter how you spin it in one or other way.

No spin, and no violation.

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So you agree with Secretblend that victims of any natural disaster deserve it?

Does anyone deserve death? We all have an end in death because of our inherited sin nature. Everyone will die (excepting the Rapture happen before our deaths). Is dying in a hospital bed of old age more or less "deserving" than dying in a natural disaster?

Hebrews 9
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

The real concern is not the manner or time of death but what happens after the body dies.

Natural disasters sweep away the righteous and the unrighteous.

Matthew 5:45
...he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

The gracious miracle is that God lets us live yet another day.

lumbingmi · 02-23-2008, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Secretblend

He does if you want him to. Unfortunally, too many people had chosen not to let God in their life and that is why we got too many problems.

Thank you for evading my questions. There are around 4.5 billions in China and none of them believe in your God. I guess God dont care about them.

Reba · 02-23-2008, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by lumbingmi

Re-read my post #114 http://www.alldeaf.com/christianity-...tml#post924032

You ll see that God on purposely caused people to do evil things in order to tide things in Christian's favor. If it was 'free will', God should not make Pharoah's heart to be harden or cause problems. He should keep his hand off if he advocate the concept of 'feel will'.

God caused the external events. Pharaoh hardened his own heart as his own response. Instead of humbling himself and surrendering to God's will and commands, Pharaoh remained prideful and disobedient. That was his choice.

Secretblend · 02-23-2008, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by lumbingmi

Thank you for evading my questions. There are around 4.5 billions in China and none of them believe in your God. I guess God dont care about them.

How am I evading your questions? I am answering your questions. God does care for everybody. That's why He sent his Son so that we can all be saved. Unfortunally for those that do not believe is not saved. It is their choice to believe or not. It is our job to let people know of Jesus. After they hear about it, if they choose not to accept it, that is their own fault for their end result cause they rejected it.

lumbingmi · 02-23-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

No spin, and no violation.
Does anyone deserve death? We all have an end in death because of our inherited sin nature. Everyone will die (excepting the Rapture happen before our deaths). Is dying in a hospital bed of old age more or less "deserving" than dying in a natural disaster?

Hebrews 9
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

The real concern is not the manner or time of death but what happens after the body dies.

Natural disasters sweep away the righteous and the unrighteous.

Matthew 5:45
...he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

The gracious miracle is that God lets us live yet another day.

Rightttt.. you support the notion that God works in mysterious way and have plan for all of us. I am sure God is loving every moment of our American Solider and innocents dying everyday at Iraq because God felt that people who residing at Iraq do not deserve "gracious miracle" to live for another day. Okay I think I got what you mean.

Reba · 02-23-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lumbingmi

Thank you for evading my questions. There are around 4.5 billions in China and none of them believe in your God. I guess God dont care about them.

God does care; that's why He sends missionaries around the world.

BTW, your statement about China is false. There are thousands of born-again Christians in China. They have been worshiping underground for decades.

Reba · 02-23-2008, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lumbingmi

Rightttt.. you support the notion that God works in mysterious way and have plan for all of us. I am sure God is loving every moment of our American Solider and innocents dying everyday at Iraq because God felt that people who residing at Iraq do not deserve "gracious miracle" to live for another day. Okay I think I got what you mean.

No, you don't "get it" at all, and your snarky statement about God getting pleasure from people dying is beyond civil debate.

lumbingmi · 02-23-2008, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

God caused the external events. Pharaoh hardened his own heart as his own response. Instead of humbling himself and surrendering to God's will and commands, Pharaoh remained prideful and disobedient. That was his choice.

And the LORD said to Moses, “When you go back to Egypt, see that you do all those wonders before Pharaoh which I have put in your hand. But I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go.
God said he will make sure Pharaoh's heart to be harden. therefore, God intended Pharaoh to resist Moses so that God can display his awesome powers.

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Originally Posted by Reba

God does care; that's why He sends missionaries around the world.

BTW, your statement about China is false. There are thousands of born-again Christians in China. They have been worshiping underground for decades.

I know there are several countries who finally break off the oppression. India comes to my mind, for many years Britains brought missionaries and colonized India. Few years ago, India finally put end to it and rejected missionaries.

OK here s quotes:

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China is officially atheist[1]. And around 59%-71% of its population are non-religious[2] (14% are totally atheists[3][4]; remains of it are people who still worship one or more religions at the same time but lacking specific ceremonies as Refuge of Buddhism or Baptism although they have considered themselves as non-religious[5][6]).

Religion in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It s pretty high percentage considering China has over 4 billions people.

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Originally Posted by Reba

No, you don't "get it" at all, and your snarky statement about God getting pleasure from people dying is beyond civil debate.

Okay. I shouldn't say God is enjoying every bit of it and I apologize for it. The point is that why should we being thankful for God giving us another day to live? It sounds like God is doing it at random and cause people's death just because God said so. It doesn't make any sense but we can't do anything since it is God's will, right?

TechBill · 02-23-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lumbingmi

And the LORD said to Moses, “When you go back to Egypt, see that you do all those wonders before Pharaoh which I have put in your hand. But I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go.

Yes when God did all those wonders before Pharaoh, it made Pharaoh mad because he couldn't defeat God's wonders so it harden his heart and held on to people even more.

God didn't touch his heart and made it hard or said a magic word and Pharaoh became a evil man. God only perform those wonders and warned Moses that his wonders will get Pharaoh angry and to be prepared for a long struggle to free the people.

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lumbingmi · 02-23-2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TechBill

Yes when God did all those wonders before Pharaoh, it made Pharaoh mad because he couldn't defeat God's wonders so it harden his heart and held on to people even more.

God didn't touch his heart and made it hard or said a magic word and Pharaoh became a evil man. God only perform those wonders and warned Moses that his wonders will get Pharaoh angry and to be prepared for a long struggle to free the people.
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Looks like we ll have to agree to disagree what it is being interpreted in bible.

When you think about it, if God have such amazing powers, it should be piece of cake for him to just get his people out (casting them to be invisible so they walk out of Egypt untouchable lol) of Egypt instead of having to resort to killing many innocents especially first-born kids in Egypt?

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