AllDeaf.com
Mobile - Perks - Store - Advertise - Spy  

Go Back   AllDeaf.com > Miscellaneous > On-topic Debates > Religion, Spiritual & Other Beliefs
LIKE AllDeaf on Facebook FOLLOW AllDeaf on Twitter
  
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Unread 02-23-2008, 05:03 PM   #121 (permalink)
Registered User
 
lumbingmi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,460
Quote:
Originally Posted by Secretblend View Post
We as humans are getting what we deserve today. Sin is very rampant on earth and we (good and bad) are reaping the rewards of that. One day the saved will reap the reward of trying their best to do what is right for God. It may not make sense right now but one wonderful day, it will!
Whoa! We deserved it? Wow. *SMH*
__________________
Picard: Seize the time, Meribor, live now. Make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again.
Meribor: I love you, father.




If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English, thank a veteran.
lumbingmi is offline  
Alt Today
Deafness

Beitrag Sponsored Links

__________________
This advertising will not be shown in this way to registered members.
Register your free account today and become a member on AllDeaf.com
   
Unread 02-23-2008, 05:03 PM   #122 (permalink)
Prayers for my dad.
 
Cheri's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Ohio
Posts: 22,819
Quote:
Originally Posted by Secretblend View Post
We as humans are getting what we deserve today. Sin is very rampant on earth and we (good and bad) are reaping the rewards of that. One day the saved will reap the reward of trying their best to do what is right for God. It may not make sense right now but one wonderful day, it will!
__________________
Avoid being a victim of a stroke, a stroke can happen to anyone at anytime. You will never know how devastating this could be until you had live through it. It affects everybody. So Support Stroke Awareness to find a cure and hope.
Cheri is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 05:05 PM   #123 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Secretblend's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 3,746
Quote:
Originally Posted by lumbingmi View Post
Whoa! We deserved it? Wow. *SMH*
You don't think we deserve what we are reaping? How so, I'm curius to see how you will explain that.
Secretblend is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 05:10 PM   #124 (permalink)
Registered User
 
lumbingmi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,460
Quote:
Originally Posted by Secretblend View Post
You don't think we deserve what we are reaping? How so, I'm curius to see how you will explain that.
Don't you mean "we deserve what we are sowing?" You can't reap anything if you don't sow anything in the first place.

Are you saying that we are sowing/or spreading evil today that why we desevre the suffering? Wow, victims from Katrina Hurricane would like to have a word with you.
__________________
Picard: Seize the time, Meribor, live now. Make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again.
Meribor: I love you, father.




If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English, thank a veteran.
lumbingmi is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 05:11 PM   #125 (permalink)
Registered User
 
GarnetTigerMom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Virginia
Posts: 4,958
Cool

Quote:
Originally Posted by lumbingmi View Post
Don't you mean "we deserve what we are sowing?" You can't reap anything if you don't sow anything in the first place.

Are you saying that we are sowing/or spreading evil today that why we desevre the suffering? Wow, victims from Katrina Hurricane would like to have a word with you.
You got that right, I would agree with you on this one. :-)
__________________


GarnetTigerMom

"The rain may be falling hard outside,
But your smile makes it all alright.
I'm so glad that you're my friend.
I know our friendship will never end."
-- Robert Alan
GarnetTigerMom is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 05:12 PM   #126 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Secretblend's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 3,746
Quote:
Originally Posted by lumbingmi View Post
Don't you mean "we deserve what we are sowing?" You can't reap anything if you don't sow anything in the first place.

Are you saying that we are sowing/or spreading evil today that why we desevre the suffering? Wow, people from Katrina would like to have a word with you.
Everybody has sinned! Even you and I, therefore yes! We are getting what we deserve, even those at Katrina.
Secretblend is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 05:23 PM   #127 (permalink)
Registered User
 
lumbingmi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,460
Quote:
Originally Posted by Secretblend View Post
Everybody has sinned! Even you and I, therefore yes! We are getting what we deserve, even those at Katrina.
Wow. I dunno what to say
__________________
Picard: Seize the time, Meribor, live now. Make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again.
Meribor: I love you, father.




If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English, thank a veteran.
lumbingmi is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 05:33 PM   #128 (permalink)
Granny Terp
 
Reba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 39,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by lumbingmi View Post
He surely do "influence" evil people to do stupid things in order to make things easier for his people to be victorious.
Evil people do evil things because their hearts are evil not because God forces them to do things.
__________________
Tell us the truth about Benghazi!
Reba is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 05:35 PM   #129 (permalink)
Granny Terp
 
Reba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 39,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by lumbingmi View Post
Whoa! We deserved it? Wow. *SMH*
Actually, because of God's grace, we aren't getting nearly the judgment that we deserve.
__________________
Tell us the truth about Benghazi!
Reba is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 05:37 PM   #130 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Secretblend's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 3,746
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reba View Post
Actually, because of God's grace, we aren't getting nearly the judgment that we deserve.
Secretblend is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 05:40 PM   #131 (permalink)
Registered User
 
lumbingmi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,460
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reba View Post
Evil people do evil things because their hearts are evil not because God forces them to do things.

Thus he violated the "free will" No matter how you spin it in one or other way.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reba View Post
Actually, because of God's grace, we aren't getting nearly the judgment that we deserve.
So you agree with Secretblend that victims of any natural disaster deserve it?
__________________
Picard: Seize the time, Meribor, live now. Make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again.
Meribor: I love you, father.




If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English, thank a veteran.
lumbingmi is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 05:46 PM   #132 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Secretblend's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 3,746
Quote:
Originally Posted by lumbingmi View Post
Thus he violated the "free will" No matter how you spin it in one or other way.

How is that viloating "free will?" God is allowing man to do what he wants. That is giving man free will.
Secretblend is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 05:51 PM   #133 (permalink)
Registered User
 
lumbingmi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,460
Quote:
Originally Posted by Secretblend View Post
How is that viloating "free will?" God is allowing man to do what he wants. That is giving man free will.
Re-read my post #114 http://www.alldeaf.com/christianity-...tml#post924032



You ll see that God on purposely caused people to do evil things in order to tide things in Christian's favor. If it was 'free will', God should not make Pharoah's heart to be harden or cause problems. He should keep his hand off if he advocate the concept of 'feel will'.
__________________
Picard: Seize the time, Meribor, live now. Make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again.
Meribor: I love you, father.




If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English, thank a veteran.
lumbingmi is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 05:53 PM   #134 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Secretblend's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 3,746
Quote:
Originally Posted by lumbingmi View Post
Re-read my post #114 http://www.alldeaf.com/christianity-...tml#post924032

You ll see that God on purposely caused people to do evil things in order to tide things in Christian's favor.
No, He did not! He gave man a choice. Unfortunally man made a choice to not follow God's rule. Cause of man's choice, he fell into sin and started the whole problem that we have today.
Secretblend is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 05:57 PM   #135 (permalink)
Registered User
 
lumbingmi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,460
Quote:
Originally Posted by Secretblend View Post
No, He did not! He gave man a choice. Unfortunally man made a choice to not follow God's rule. Cause of man's choice, he fell into sin and started the whole problem that we have today.
Obviously you didn't bother to read what I post. I said if God believes in 'free will' , he should not cause troubles or problems to people. Instead, he should keep his hand off and allow people to dictate for themselves.

So victims of Katrina Hurricane deserve to die and have their home destoryed because they chose to sin and did not believe in God?
__________________
Picard: Seize the time, Meribor, live now. Make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again.
Meribor: I love you, father.




If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English, thank a veteran.
lumbingmi is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 06:01 PM   #136 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Secretblend's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 3,746
Quote:
Originally Posted by lumbingmi View Post
Obviously you didn't bother to read what I post. I said if God believes in 'free will' , he should not cause troubles or problems to people. Instead, he should keep his hand off and allow people to dictate for themselves.

So victims of Katrina Hurricane deserve to die and have their home destoryed because they chose to sin and did not believe in God?
He does if you want him to. Unfortunally, too many people had chosen not to let God in their life and that is why we got too many problems.
Secretblend is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 06:03 PM   #137 (permalink)
Granny Terp
 
Reba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 39,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by lumbingmi View Post
Thus he violated the "free will" No matter how you spin it in one or other way.
No spin, and no violation.


Quote:
So you agree with Secretblend that victims of any natural disaster deserve it?
Does anyone deserve death? We all have an end in death because of our inherited sin nature. Everyone will die (excepting the Rapture happen before our deaths). Is dying in a hospital bed of old age more or less "deserving" than dying in a natural disaster?

Hebrews 9
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:


The real concern is not the manner or time of death but what happens after the body dies.

Natural disasters sweep away the righteous and the unrighteous.

Matthew 5:45
...he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

The gracious miracle is that God lets us live yet another day.
__________________
Tell us the truth about Benghazi!
Reba is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 06:04 PM   #138 (permalink)
Registered User
 
lumbingmi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,460
Quote:
Originally Posted by Secretblend View Post
He does if you want him to. Unfortunally, too many people had chosen not to let God in their life and that is why we got too many problems.
Thank you for evading my questions. There are around 4.5 billions in China and none of them believe in your God. I guess God dont care about them.
__________________
Picard: Seize the time, Meribor, live now. Make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again.
Meribor: I love you, father.




If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English, thank a veteran.
lumbingmi is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 06:06 PM   #139 (permalink)
Granny Terp
 
Reba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 39,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by lumbingmi View Post
Re-read my post #114 http://www.alldeaf.com/christianity-...tml#post924032



You ll see that God on purposely caused people to do evil things in order to tide things in Christian's favor. If it was 'free will', God should not make Pharoah's heart to be harden or cause problems. He should keep his hand off if he advocate the concept of 'feel will'.
God caused the external events. Pharaoh hardened his own heart as his own response. Instead of humbling himself and surrendering to God's will and commands, Pharaoh remained prideful and disobedient. That was his choice.
__________________
Tell us the truth about Benghazi!
Reba is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 06:07 PM   #140 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Secretblend's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 3,746
Quote:
Originally Posted by lumbingmi View Post
Thank you for evading my questions. There are around 4.5 billions in China and none of them believe in your God. I guess God dont care about them.
How am I evading your questions? I am answering your questions. God does care for everybody. That's why He sent his Son so that we can all be saved. Unfortunally for those that do not believe is not saved. It is their choice to believe or not. It is our job to let people know of Jesus. After they hear about it, if they choose not to accept it, that is their own fault for their end result cause they rejected it.
Secretblend is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 06:08 PM   #141 (permalink)
Registered User
 
lumbingmi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,460
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reba View Post
No spin, and no violation.
Does anyone deserve death? We all have an end in death because of our inherited sin nature. Everyone will die (excepting the Rapture happen before our deaths). Is dying in a hospital bed of old age more or less "deserving" than dying in a natural disaster?

Hebrews 9
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:


The real concern is not the manner or time of death but what happens after the body dies.

Natural disasters sweep away the righteous and the unrighteous.

Matthew 5:45
...he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

The gracious miracle is that God lets us live yet another day.
Rightttt.. you support the notion that God works in mysterious way and have plan for all of us. I am sure God is loving every moment of our American Solider and innocents dying everyday at Iraq because God felt that people who residing at Iraq do not deserve "gracious miracle" to live for another day. Okay I think I got what you mean.
__________________
Picard: Seize the time, Meribor, live now. Make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again.
Meribor: I love you, father.




If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English, thank a veteran.
lumbingmi is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 06:08 PM   #142 (permalink)
Granny Terp
 
Reba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 39,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by lumbingmi View Post
Thank you for evading my questions. There are around 4.5 billions in China and none of them believe in your God. I guess God dont care about them.
God does care; that's why He sends missionaries around the world.

BTW, your statement about China is false. There are thousands of born-again Christians in China. They have been worshiping underground for decades.
__________________
Tell us the truth about Benghazi!
Reba is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 06:12 PM   #143 (permalink)
Granny Terp
 
Reba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 39,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by lumbingmi View Post
Rightttt.. you support the notion that God works in mysterious way and have plan for all of us. I am sure God is loving every moment of our American Solider and innocents dying everyday at Iraq because God felt that people who residing at Iraq do not deserve "gracious miracle" to live for another day. Okay I think I got what you mean.
No, you don't "get it" at all, and your snarky statement about God getting pleasure from people dying is beyond civil debate.
__________________
Tell us the truth about Benghazi!
Reba is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 06:41 PM   #144 (permalink)
Registered User
 
lumbingmi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,460
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reba View Post
God caused the external events. Pharaoh hardened his own heart as his own response. Instead of humbling himself and surrendering to God's will and commands, Pharaoh remained prideful and disobedient. That was his choice.
And the LORD said to Moses, “When you go back to Egypt, see that you do all those wonders before Pharaoh which I have put in your hand. But I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go.
God said he will make sure Pharaoh's heart to be harden. therefore, God intended Pharaoh to resist Moses so that God can display his awesome powers.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reba View Post
God does care; that's why He sends missionaries around the world.

BTW, your statement about China is false. There are thousands of born-again Christians in China. They have been worshiping underground for decades.
I know there are several countries who finally break off the oppression. India comes to my mind, for many years Britains brought missionaries and colonized India. Few years ago, India finally put end to it and rejected missionaries.

OK here s quotes:

Quote:
China is officially atheist[1]. And around 59%-71% of its population are non-religious[2] (14% are totally atheists[3][4]; remains of it are people who still worship one or more religions at the same time but lacking specific ceremonies as Refuge of Buddhism or Baptism although they have considered themselves as non-religious[5][6]).
Religion in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It s pretty high percentage considering China has over 4 billions people.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reba View Post
No, you don't "get it" at all, and your snarky statement about God getting pleasure from people dying is beyond civil debate.

Okay. I shouldn't say God is enjoying every bit of it and I apologize for it. The point is that why should we being thankful for God giving us another day to live? It sounds like God is doing it at random and cause people's death just because God said so. It doesn't make any sense but we can't do anything since it is God's will, right?
__________________
Picard: Seize the time, Meribor, live now. Make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again.
Meribor: I love you, father.




If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English, thank a veteran.
lumbingmi is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 07:33 PM   #145 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,089
Quote:
Originally Posted by lumbingmi View Post
And the LORD said to Moses, “When you go back to Egypt, see that you do all those wonders before Pharaoh which I have put in your hand. But I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go.

Yes when God did all those wonders before Pharaoh, it made Pharaoh mad because he couldn't defeat God's wonders so it harden his heart and held on to people even more.

God didn't touch his heart and made it hard or said a magic word and Pharaoh became a evil man. God only perform those wonders and warned Moses that his wonders will get Pharaoh angry and to be prepared for a long struggle to free the people.




.
TechBill is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 07:52 PM   #146 (permalink)
Registered User
 
lumbingmi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,460
Quote:
Originally Posted by TechBill View Post
Yes when God did all those wonders before Pharaoh, it made Pharaoh mad because he couldn't defeat God's wonders so it harden his heart and held on to people even more.

God didn't touch his heart and made it hard or said a magic word and Pharaoh became a evil man. God only perform those wonders and warned Moses that his wonders will get Pharaoh angry and to be prepared for a long struggle to free the people.
.
Looks like we ll have to agree to disagree what it is being interpreted in bible.

When you think about it, if God have such amazing powers, it should be piece of cake for him to just get his people out (casting them to be invisible so they walk out of Egypt untouchable lol) of Egypt instead of having to resort to killing many innocents especially first-born kids in Egypt?
__________________
Picard: Seize the time, Meribor, live now. Make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again.
Meribor: I love you, father.




If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English, thank a veteran.
lumbingmi is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 07:55 PM   #147 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Secretblend's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 3,746
Quote:
Originally Posted by lumbingmi View Post
Looks like we ll have to agree to disagree what it is being interpreted in bible.

When you think about it, if God have such amazing powers, it should be piece of cake for him to just get his people out (casting them to be invisible so they walk out of Egypt untouchable lol) of Egypt instead of having to resort to killing many innocents especially first-born kids in Egypt?
Oh it'll be a piece of cake for him to speak this world into non existance. However, for a reason of his own, He rather love us and give us a chance for eternal life.
Secretblend is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 07:57 PM   #148 (permalink)
Registered User
 
lumbingmi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,460
Quote:
Originally Posted by Secretblend View Post
Oh it'll be a piece of cake for him to speak this world into non existance. However, for a reason of his own, He rather love us and give us a chance for eternal life.
I dont understand what do you mean "speaking this world into non-existance."

Yea God loves so much that he created Satan to test our love for God.
__________________
Picard: Seize the time, Meribor, live now. Make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again.
Meribor: I love you, father.




If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English, thank a veteran.
lumbingmi is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 07:59 PM   #149 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Secretblend's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 3,746
Quote:
Originally Posted by lumbingmi View Post
I dont understand what do you mean "speaking this world into non-existance."

Yea God loves so much that he created Satan to test our love for God.
He spoke this world into existance, He could take it way awith just one word..

He didn't create Satan, God made an angel and the angel turned himself into Satan.
Secretblend is offline  
Unread 02-23-2008, 08:04 PM   #150 (permalink)
Registered User
 
lumbingmi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,460
Quote:
Originally Posted by Secretblend View Post
He spoke this world into existance, He could take it way awith just one word..

He didn't create Satan, God made an angel and the angel turned himself into Satan.
Ohhh.. crap. We dont want to make God angry, do we? After all , he have the power to strip our precious existence. *shudder in fear* Yikes.

Ok. God created Angel then Angel became Satan. Gotcha.
__________________
Picard: Seize the time, Meribor, live now. Make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again.
Meribor: I love you, father.




If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English, thank a veteran.
lumbingmi is offline  
 

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:50 PM.


Join AllDeaf on Facebook!    Follow us on Twitter!

AllDeaf proudly supports St. Jude Children's Research Hospital

Copyright © 2002-2013, AllDeaf.com. All Rights Reserved.