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It´s not just JW bible, I have but Luthern bible as well. I look both bibles what I feel in my heart and visit to websites when I see illogical on both bibles. I also read catholic bible before. None of bibles say like that. I would love to have Christian bible story some day to compare with my different bibles.

I only doing to support my logic what and I see logic on something.

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I wasn't referring to only the human birth rate, but animals as well... dinosaurs too!

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[QUOTE]It show clear that she gave birth to a son Seth outside of the garden. She gave birth to a son to replace of Abel whom Cain had killed.


Pew Potato's answer is the best, I ever had read. His answer support my logic view.

How many years did adam and eve live in eden before eating the fruit? - Yahoo! Answers

Huh? We talk opposite. You talk about sex and I talk about company.

You misinterpreted my post. I only answered your question that they know what they have is garden home and animals because they are alone on earth. Please use common sense.


you claimed that you didn't judge them but your bible and fingerpointed what Jame 1 wrote. No excuse to fingerpoint the bible what and how God judged them. You judge which mean that you support James 1 because you wrote here.

You deny God's responsiblity to cause those happens.

But Adam died at age 930 years old.

Please read your bible deep!

No matter what... God supposed warn them about Satan's existence in first place. Eve and Adam have no clue what "Satan" is about until they ate forbidden fruit.............


Like we parents warn our children to not talk strangers.

I want to make sure either I understand your post correct or not. Do you mean that their children were convinced or born IN garden Eden? Please answer my simple question. The first child Cain was born Outside or Inside of garden Eden?

There're no comparison between our present time and their time. At their time, they get pregnant real fast than our present time.

Please read Genesis 1:28:

wow Do you belittle different religion religion believers? What would you say if I say that Christians are also including as well?



I do not see anything that he volunteered for that but he was ARREST by Roman authorities. If he really volunteered what you said then he would go to Roman authorities himself but he doesn't.

See your own word... "He volunteered for that." which I disagree that he volunteered for that but the fact is he was ARREST and sentenced to death with crucifixion for blasphemy by Roman authorities.

Religion leaders would be HAPPY because they want his dead. This is fact.


No, I do not change the history but see the logic fact.


I do not deny the history but see the logic and do accept the history what and how it start instead of deny the fact.

Different religion believers accept the fact what and how God did to the people accord the bible because it belongs history. It could be not possible to deny that God is an imperfect and murder/killer because it's FACT. He KILLED the people, children and newborns, period. I am sorry if you feel being insult to hear those word but it's fact, not mocking what you thought.





Simple is: God is not there to clean people's sins but Priest/Pastor doing their job for God. Priest/Pastor do not speak himself but for God to forgives sinners to please God's grace. Priest forgives the sins out of earths and gives sinners a peace for God.

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[QUOTE]I did not said the word about the Bible but my own POV which is reality. Can you show me where I mentioned pets in the bible?

The reason I ask question is because of your own word "added" which is not logic. If it's really add what you said which mean is God add the children for Job and his wife which is not right because Job and his wife created many children themselves as a replacement for their loss beloved ones.

Good, I satisfy your answer. Here is my answer is: Job positive his life with his strength to do something to re-build his life... create children... provide more animals, etc. The fact is the people should take the example of Job that they should positive their life with their strength with no complaint against God and Satan or blame anyone.


Nope, I do not see anything that I deny it but use fact logic after what I learn from the bibles, websites and the people, school, etc. You know that we learn something new everyday. It does never stop.

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[QUOTE]Did I say YOU said it? I do not see where I said you said this.

Eve was created in the Garden of Eden to be the wife of Adam, as he was lonely. As a result God decides that "It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him." and in Genesis 2:21–22 it states.....

Eve (Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)


You said this...


Like what lumbingmi said in his post

"I dont think we re arguing whether 'man' is perfect or imperfect. I believe all of us non-religious and religious people all agree that no human is perfect. We re arguing whether God is perfect or imperfect. Like others had posted, God is imperfect in some people's eyes while perfect in religious people's eyes. We wont know the answers so we can only speculate."

is true.

We want to see logic what our bibles wrote...

I already provided some links in my previous posts here why God is imperfect.

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Yes, your both posts are good point.

Cheri, yes you are right that Jesus doesn't deserve to punish to death because he did nothing wrong that's because he see different as Religion leaders about God.

lumbingmi, yes I agree with you that it's not just Jesus but the people did the same thing as well.

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Well, I would say opposite:

The fact is: Jesus was in sin mother's womb and being human with flesh.

The fact is: soliders died for our country because they choose to fight for our country and know they risk their live there.

The fact is: Jesus did not choose to suffer to death but he was arrest and sentenced to death by Roman authorites. They made him suffer. He accept it and said that he is going die for our sins.

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Yes, that's right.

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Simple is: it would never happens if God did not place the forbidden tree to test Eve & Adam's faith (temptation) in first place when he KNEW it would happens. Who did in first place belongs responsiblity.

I am not saying that I blame God but the fact what and how we learn from those bible history where it come from.

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You said it yourself.

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You say it like it's a bad thing. How is it a bad thing?



You will never understand the concept of God and Jesus cause you keep applying logic that you are following. I am gonna tell you that your logic is wrong. Since it is wrong, you cannot see what we are trying to tell you. The Bible is about a spiritual being. Phyisicial logic will not be same as spiritual logic. Until you stop looking at just phyiscial logic and start using spiritiual logic, nothing will change.

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So? How does that prove how many years Adam and Eve lived in Eden?

Since Seth was born when Adam was 130 years old, we can determine that Adam and Eve left Eden before that time. Seth was born after Cain and Abel. We don't know how much time there was between their births. Even if Seth wasn't born until 30 or 50 years later, that still left many years for Adam and Eve to have lived in Eden, and to have had many conversations with God.


That's funny because if you really read his answer you would know that it matches what I said. I'm glad that you like it.


You missed the point that God knew that Adam needed a help meet that would be perfect for him as a mate. God was not Adam's "mate".


You really have no idea about what was going on.


Huh?


So? That doesn't contradict what I posted. What's your point? I honestly believe that you don't fully read my posts or your own links.


Please give me the verse number.


How do you know God didn't warn them? Which verse is that?


None of their children were conceived or born in the Garden of Eden. All of their children were born outside the Garden of Eden.


Huh? Where did you get that amazing medical fact?


I did. It doesn't include a schedule for child bearing.


How is that belittling? Christians have a person relationship with Jesus Christ, and non-Christians don't. That's the difference between Christians and non-Christians.


Please read the answer that I posted. You must have missed it.


Jesus voluntarily left the glories of Heaven for a humble life on earth that He knew would end in a painful crucifixion. What do you disagree with?

The arrest and "trials" were part of that process. Jesus didn't try to escape, or get a good lawyer, or zap the soldiers. He went voluntarily with them.





Priests and pastors have no power to forgive sins. Only God can do that. If a priest or pastor tells a sinner that he is forgiven then that is a false peace that will lead the sinner to hell. Only God can forgive sins.

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[QUOTE][QUOTE]Nope, it doesn´t match what you said because I know your posts at "long lifespan" thread. ´

that “days” and “years” already were being counted by the time of Adam’s creation

Adam was 130 years old when Seth was born which mean that he and Eve doesn´t live in Garden of Eden longer than 130 years! (accord difference calendar between AD and BC time... )


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Please check Calendar then you can count up how old Adam really was when Seth was born.


Please don´t provoke me and think I am stupid and can´t read because I know your posts very well.





Not that God KNEW but he start NOTICED that Adam was a lonely since all animals have company which Adam doesn´t.

As a result God decides that "It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him."

Eve (Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Whatever


Are you belittle me or provoke me. Look at your own post... *shake my head* For your information, I can read my own link and can say what I agree or not. It doesn´t mean that I agree everything when I provide links all the time. If I agree everything then I would say... this link support my logic view. If I am neutral then I would say, "Interesting link". If I do not agree with those link then I would say... "I don´t beleive in... " which mean is it do not convince my logic. If you can´t get it then I can´t help you. I would say that you don´t want to see the fact but like to misinterpret and provoke anyone´s posts.



Huh?, It look like that you are interesting about verse instead of read the bible deep to see the logic? It look like that you did not know much about bible history but scriptures/verus only? I read bible history real alot and know about them.

Exactly, that´s what I tried to tell you in previous posts. You kept on misinterpret my posts.

Please use common logic.

wow, Okay - Never mind... I say no more further...

wow, look at your own post... You think Christians know everything than different religion beleivers because they are not Christians... *shake my head quietly* Yes it shows belittling. You do not see it but I do see it.

Yes I have but we have different view on this.



wow... your post make no sense. Jesus can´t escape because many soliders around to arrest him. How could he defend against them then ?


Okay, please help me to understand how God can forgive sins when he can´t speak the people himself? I only know that Priests and pastors do for God to forgive people´s sins. You call that false peace but you do have pastors in your church or what? What should he or she do ?

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Christians follow what ever the bible says, We take a careful look at questions being asked and lay out the answers offered in the Scriptures, Unbelievers do not know the answers because they do not study the bible. If you don't accept the authority of what we tell you, then there's nothing I shall can do for you.

He can defend Himself, What Jesus told his disciples is no secret, Jesus says in exact words "Nobody will take my life; I'll lay it down of my own choice. I have the authority to lay it down and the power to take it up again. That's the task my Father gave me." It's all in the New Testament.

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You think I don´t know about the bible history then is your view. You are here to tell me that my logic is wrong then is your view.

I am not here to belittle you that you don´t know much about the bible history or tell you that your view is wrong, don´t I? ... mmmmhhh

For your information, I know a lot about Bible history because I love to learn about this when I was at school and collect different religion believers´s views. I am still do because I am interesting.

My view is: Bible is a book, it belongs a history, the different religion author wrote. I rather look philosophical logic than talk about spirit because they are reality what and how I learn from Bible history. Oh yes, we all learn where and how we come from thru Bible history. If you want to continue to use spiritual logic then is your choice. I cannot tell you that you are wrong and can´t change you but yourself. You can´t change me but myself when I prefer to use philosophy logic.

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[QUOTE]My friends are not unbeleivers but different religion believers. They have their different beliefs as Christianity. It doesn´t mean that they including Christianity are Expert to know everything. Remember, they all are human being. I know a lot about Bible history but it doesn´t mean that I know everything.

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Then the point of the Bible is lost on you.

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Huh?

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If they do not believe in God, that does make them "Unbelievers" They can only judged for themselves, if the Words of Jesus/God in the Bible convince them of His existence. If Jesus had been on Earth, God's existence would not be based on false. I became a Christian for one reason, and that reason is I trust Jesus, and His sacrifice for me on the cross, and I accepted Jesus as my personal Savior.

Roman 6:22 "But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life".

Roman 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

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[QUOTE=Liebling:-)));924575]Everything what you use, "logic" is what you are interested in negative comments against the factual history of the Bible.

Askjo

If they did not rebel Him, yet, then God would not tell them concerning His warning.

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Surely, Eve & Adam would not eat a forbidden fruit if they know about Satan's existence and will lost their garden home

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If so, you make the Satan the winner! Also you make God a loser![/B]

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[QUOTE=Liebling:-)));925334]Please name your different Bibles.

Askjo

Psalm 14:1-3 (KJV)

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

This verses show the atheism here and then atheists are called themselves, 'FOOL"!!!

Romans 1:20-22 (KJV)

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

These verses show concerning the creation what you see very clearly and what you understrand. Atheists make no excuse, and then they are fools.

Hwy99

Ohh so you believe into judging other's religions? You believe to label other as fool like you follow those quote from the bible? What happened to "love your neighbors"?

Interesting... Plus a sort of confusing...

Askjo

Amen! I second that.

KarissaMann05

If He is not prefect, :
- Satan will win by preventing the birth of Jesus Christ.
- Some Hebrew families of Mose will not here because of stupid Satan. Jews will not leave the Epygt (sp) without Mose's help.
- His Creation should be f'ked up by now.
- Animals and any kind of creature will look so strange and wired when God created them imprefectly.
- Humans (descendant of Adam and Eve) will be f'ktards.
- Women will suffer by men's power and sex hungry in the past.
- Much more to say. (I can't think of more)

For an explain, do you don't want God to destory those people with His power for flooding them off as long as Satan finally could prevent the birth of Jesus Christ, right? (Speak of Noah and the Flood)

If indeed, Jesus is not important to some of you guys because some people keep call Him a murder (or imprefect). Jesus will not be here if God is not prefect, my life will f'ked up and others will too.

It's just my thought. ^_^

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Actually, the Christian religion is dominated by males.

Look at Huckabee!

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Soo...in other words: The non-christians are dominated by males???


Look at B. Clinton!





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Who is Huckabee? I wonder?

Yep, right. Mostly. Through God's spirit to make a man expresses it out in writing the Bible, what I believe in.

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