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Old 02-26-2008, 09:52 PM   #271 (permalink)
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FYI, Jesus wasn't only person who love us so much that he died for us. There are many good people who willing to die for others. Our US soilders are good example
Jesus was SINLESS, lived his whole life without sin
The US Soliders are SINNERS, lived their life with sins.

US Solider did NOT die for our sins, they fought for our country.

Jesus died for our sins of all humanity.
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:07 PM   #272 (permalink)
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Remember....we were founded as a Christian nation.
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:15 PM   #273 (permalink)
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Nobody is perfect.

If God is perfect, then why he has created some imperfect human beings like Deaf people?

In summary, it does not make sense to me.
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:18 PM   #274 (permalink)
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Nobody is perfect.

If God is perfect, then why he has created some imperfect human beings like Deaf people?

In summary, it does not make sense to me.
Who is perfect? Are you saying hearing people are perfect and deaf people are not?

Nobody on this earth is perfect.
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:19 PM   #275 (permalink)
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See? You just blamed God. You're just wasting my time. Read post #221.
I did not blame God. I blame groups who exploited weak people in name of God. These are two different things.

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Jesus was SINLESS, lived his whole life without sin
The US Soliders are SINNERS, lived their life with sins.

US Solider did NOT die for our sins, they fought for our country.

Jesus died for our sins of all humanity.
Oh now you re talking about die for sinners not for love ones. Okay I got it.
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:22 PM   #276 (permalink)
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Remember....we were founded as a Christian nation.
Isn't it amazing it s the very same religion group condone slavery and oppression of women.

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Nobody is perfect.

If God is perfect, then why he has created some imperfect human beings like Deaf people?

In summary, it does not make sense to me.
My advice don't mention "logic". It will throw them in a loop

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Who is perfect? Are you saying hearing people are perfect and deaf people are not?

Nobody on this earth is perfect.
Yup no one is perfect. Agreed.
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:22 PM   #277 (permalink)
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Who is perfect? Are you saying hearing people are perfect and deaf people are not?

Nobody on this earth is perfect.
No. I said nobody was perfect. It means all kinds of people.
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:29 PM   #278 (permalink)
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No. I said nobody was perfect. It means all kinds of people.
Did you bothered to read post #221? or the entire thread, or just the first post of this thread?
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:32 PM   #279 (permalink)
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In the beginning, God did created two wonderful 'perfect' beings...then once the disobedience set in (taking the fruit from the forbidden tree via the temptation), sin made 'man' imperfect--.





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In the beginning, God did created two wonderful 'perfect' beings...then once the disobedience set in (taking the fruit from the forbidden tree via the temptation), sin made 'man' imperfect--.
I don't think they "get it" we've been saying this from first page to the end of this page.
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God loves you just the way you are, so why blame God for having deaf people on earth?
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:36 PM   #282 (permalink)
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In the beginning, God did created two wonderful 'perfect' beings...then once the disobedience set in (taking the fruit from the forbidden tree via the temptation), sin made 'man' imperfect--.
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I dont think we re arguing whether 'man' is perfect or imperfect. I believe all of us non-religious and religious people all agree that no human is perfect. We re arguing whether God is perfect or imperfect. Like others had posted, God is imperfect in some people's eyes while perfect in religious people's eyes. We wont know the answers so we can only speculate.
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I don't think they "get it" we've been saying this from first page to the end of this page.
I think they choose to ignore it cause they dont want to admit that they are wrong and have to obey God if they want to be with him.

By denying things, they can continue to do what they want without guilt.
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:39 PM   #284 (permalink)
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God loves you just the way you are, so why blame God for having deaf people on earth?
Apparently Jesus don't agree with you because he cured a deaf man. Hallelujah. Amen.
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Apparently Jesus don't agree with you because he cured a deaf man! Hallelujah. Amen.
Jesus had a reason for curing people, It was not for sake of curing people cause they had disablities. It was to back up that He is in fact Son of God. He used that power to cure so that people will know the words He is saying is true.
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Apparently Jesus don't agree with you because he cured a deaf man! Hallelujah. Amen.
We already discussed this and you now back to the same ol' argument? You're so pathetic.
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Jesus had a reason for curing people, It was not for sake of curing people cause they had disablities. It was to back up that He is in fact Son of God. He used that power to cure so that people will know the words He is saying is true.
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We already discussed this and you now back to the same ol' argument? You're so pathetic.
You said God love you for who you are so Jesus shouldn't cure deaf man in the first place. Okay. Based on your reasoning, deaf people shouldn't get CI because God created them to be deaf. However deaf people defy God's will and get CI in order to be able hear sounds. I guess God is sad with them bec they re going to hell unless they re saved, right?
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Apparently Jesus don't agree with you because he cured a deaf man. Hallelujah. Amen.
so what.. he cured a deaf man, he cured alot of people.. doesn't mean that Jesus doesn't agree with us. He got the reward early.. so we'll eventually get a reward sooner or later.
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You said God love you for who you are so Jesus shouldn't cure deaf man in the first place. Okay. Based on your reasoning, deaf people shouldn't get CI because God created them to be deaf. However deaf people defy God's will and get CI in order to be able hear sounds. I guess God is sad with them bec they re going to hell unless they re saved, right?
I never did say such a thing! Please dont twist my words around.
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I never did say such a thing! Please dont twist my words around.
That's why I ignored him.
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I dont think we re arguing whether 'man' is perfect or imperfect. I believe all of us non-religious and religious people all agree that no human is perfect. We re arguing whether God is perfect or imperfect. Like others had posted, God is imperfect in some people's eyes while perfect in religious people's eyes. We wont know the answers so we can only speculate.

..and since I posted: "In the beginning, God did created two wonderful 'perfect' beings..." God being 'perfect' created two wonderful 'perfect' beings--....

Furthermore, I do not speculate, not only does the Word of God bears the Truth, also, my own heart tells me so by His Love He continually shows me.




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..and since I posted: "In the beginning, God did created two wonderful 'perfect' beings..." God being 'perfect' created two wonderful 'perfect' beings--....

Furthermore, I do not speculate, not only does the Word of God bears the Truth, also, my own heart tells me so by His Love He continually shows me.




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Old 02-26-2008, 11:16 PM   #293 (permalink)
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I never did say such a thing! Please dont twist my words around.
Okay. I actually was replying to Cheri's post more than your. But the question is do you think deaf people shouldn't get CI since God intended them to be deaf?

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That's why I ignored him.
You can put me on ignore list and I wont lose any sleep over this. lmao.

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..and since I posted: "In the beginning, God did created two wonderful 'perfect' beings..." God being 'perfect' created two wonderful 'perfect' beings--....

Furthermore, I do not speculate, not only does the Word of God bears the Truth, also, my own heart tells me so by His Love He continually shows me.

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I think we ought to use what available technology is there. God gave us a brain to be able to design and build things for our use. Nothing wrong with using that for our benefit if we choose to use them.
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:32 PM   #295 (permalink)
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God loves you just the way you are, so why blame God for having deaf people on earth?
Yeah, God have many reasons for us be deaf.... We should thank HIM that we have a BREATH BREATH BREATH! ! !

Only God is perfect. We are not. Just don't mess with HIM.

Other thing, If whoever really don't understand in him... Then don't bother... OR read the bible from beginning.


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