Cheri

I don't believe in God and I don't believe in judgment day!

From Police Officer's respond:

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Angel

Everything that the police officer state is so true. AMEN

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Cheri

Yep!! He got a very good point. I applause him for that.

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Hwy99

Well the police haven't yet proof if the God was there. Also the reason why people who doesn't believe in God kept mention about the God is because they want to tell that they do not believe in God.

Cheri

Yes he did, read it again, better let me show you. "You keep saying if there is a God. There is, you can see Him all around you"

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Hwy99

And re-read my post. I already explain why people who don't believe in God kept mention about God is because they want to say that they don't believe in God.

Cheri

You don't know what people are thinking, unless it came out of their mouth, don't accuse, because it make you look like a fool.

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Hwy99

Allright I guess I would just let the Atheist to express their word, but I wouldn't be so surprised although because I understand Atheist's feelings.

XBGMER

Cheri, I am not here to hold against you. But I notice you depend on people's thinking, judging and saying. you look up at police officer's thinking, judging and comments, because He is authiorzed officer and man who can say anything about God! Why not you depend your own logical thoughts what you believing and belief?

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Cheri

Is that what you think of me?

What's wrong with agreeing with Police Officer's comment? It's not like I was following the Police Officer's beliefs. I have my own, and my own is following God.

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Liebling:-)))

I agreed with Police Officer that the man is bitter man and find excuse to blame God for anything to satisfy his anger.

I read between man and police officer and then check your link... Ahhhh... Blue is man and green is Ralph. I has no good feeling about this. I guess that Ralph made it up himself for blue and green sentences to show us because blue sentences without name? Did Ralph ask man for permission before paste his writing in Ralph´s website? Ralph did not credit man´s name in his website?

Blue sentences is too extreme and no sense to me... It seem that Ralph make it up and make non-religions look bad? It´s not all non-religions who extreme about God but use their own philosophical logic and sense.

Those link sound fishy to me.

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moonflower

amen to the police officer comment

Cheri

Did Liebling said she agrees with Police Officer? Tell me I'm not dreaming.

I disagree, Most unbelievers had made assumptions, lies about God without listen to reasons the truth.

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sequoias

I hate to say it but I agree with him. we all have our opinions, there is no such thing as truth about non religious or religious.

Cheri

Which one guy do you agree? the guy who wrote the first paragraph or the police officer who wrote the second paragraph?

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Byrdie714

I don't think the person is bitter for asking what he is asking. I think that is being blown out of porportion.

I don't think the police officer is wrong either. It's just his belief.

I just think that we all will never know until the end. We may end up being reincarnated into the next life. We may go to heaven, we may go to hell. Or we may not go anywhere and slowly decompose into the soil.

Science and Religion has always been at odds with one another. For many years, Religious people has taught that the earth was flat when it was actually round. Science has taught that the earth was round, not flat as believed by religious people. Religious people have taught that the earth was the center of the universe and that the sun orbits around us. Not the other way. Again, it was Science that taught us that we revolve around the sun proving Religion wrong again.

The one debate I find interesting and entertaining is the evolution of the human species.....of course I am not going to open up a thread on that. But again, Science has proven Religion wrong again as always.

Is there a God? Who knows. If you believe it, good for you, if not, good for you too.

It's moot to say otherwise if you haven't been to the other side.

fredfam1

Sorry Byrdie but the Church and the Bible has always promoted round not flat earth. Read the following to understand how that got confused and the church was blamed for it.
Lactantius
The earliest of these flat-Earth promoters was the African Lactantius (AD 245-325), a professional rhetorician who converted to Christianity mid-life.

He rejected all the Greek philosophers, and in doing so also rejected a spherical Earth. His views were considered heresy by the Church Fathers and his work was ignored until the Renaissance (at which time some humanists revived his writings as a model of good Latin, and of course, his flat Earth view also was revived).
Cosmas Indicopleustes and Church Fathers
Next was sixth century Eastern Greek Christian, Cosmas Indicopleustes, who claimed the Earth was flat and lay beneath the heavens (consisting of a rectangular vaulted arch). His work also was soundly rejected by the Church Fathers, but liberal historians have usually claimed his view as typical of that of the Church Fathers.

US Library of Congress head, Daniel Boorstin (quoted above), like historians before him, simply followed the pattern of others without checking the facts. In fact, most of the Church Fathers did not address the issue of the shape of the Earth, and those who did regarded it as “round” or spherical.
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Washington Irving and Rip Van Winkle

In 1828, American writer Washington Irving (author of Rip Van Winkle) published a book entitled The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus. It was a mixture of fact and fiction, with Irving himself admitting he was “apt to indulge in the imagination.”

Its theme was the victory of a lone believer in a spherical Earth over a united front of Bible-quoting, superstitious ignoramuses, convinced the Earth was flat. In fact, the well-known argument at the Council of Salamanca was about the dubious distance between Europe and Japan which Columbus presented—it had nothing to do with the shape of the Earth.
Later Writers Repeated the Error

In 1834, the anti-Christian Letronne falsely claimed that most of the Church Fathers, including Augustine, Ambrose and Basil, held to a flat Earth. His work has been repeatedly cited as “reputable” ever since.

In the late nineteenth century, the writings of John William Draper and Andrew Dickson White were responsible for promoting the myth that the church taught a flat Earth. Both had Christian backgrounds, but rejected these early in life.

Englishman Draper convinced himself that with the downfall of the Roman Empire the 'affairs of men fell into the hands of ignorant and infuriated ecclesiastics, parasites, eunuchs and slaves' these were the 'Dark Ages'. Draper's work, History of the Conflict between Religion and Science (1874), was directed particularly against the Roman Church, and was a best seller.

Meanwhile White (who founded Cornell University as the first explicitly secular university in the United States), published the two-volume scholarly work History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom, in 1896.

Both men incorrectly portrayed a continuing battle through the Christian era between the defenders of ignorance and the enlightened rationalists. In fact, not only did the church not promote the flat Earth, it is clear from such passages as Isaiah 40:22 that the Bible implies it is spherical. (Non-literal figures of speech such as the “four corners of the Earth” are still used today.)
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Encyclopedias Erase the Myth

While many will have lost their faith through the writing of such men as Irving, Draper and White, it is gratifying to know that the following encyclopedias now present the correct account of the Columbus affair: The New Encyclopaedia Britannica (1985), Colliers Encyclopaedia (1984), The Encyclopedia Americana (1987) and The World Book for Children (1989).

There is still a long way to go before the average student will know that Christianity did not invent or promote the myth of the flat Earth.

Author: Adapted by Ian Taylor for Creation Science Association of Ontario, Feature No. 30, from the book Inventing the Flat Earth: Columbus & Modern Historians (ISBN 027595904X), by history professor Jeffrey Burton Russell. Summarized by Paula Weston, ne McKerlie. Supplied by Answers in Genesis and published in Creation Ex Nihilo magazine, Vol. 16, No. 2, pp. 4849.

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Charles Darwin, the most famous promoter of evolutionism.
Flat-Earth HeyDay Came with Darwin

The idea that the earth is flat is a modern concoction that reached its peak only after Darwinists tried to discredit the Bible, an American history professor says.

Jeffrey Burton Russell is a professor of history at the University of California in Santa Barbara. He says in his book Inventing the Flat Earth (written for the 500th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's journey to America in 1492) that through antiquity and up to the time of Columbus, “nearly unanimous scholarly opinion pronounced the earth spherical.”

Russell says there is nothing in the documents from the time of Columbus or in early accounts of his life that suggests any debate about the roundness of the earth. He believes a major source of the myth came from the creator of the Rip Van Winkle story-Washington Irving-who wrote a fictitious account of Columbus's defending a round earth against misinformed clerics and university professors.

But Russell says the flat earth mythology flourished most between 1870 and 1920, and had to do with the ideological setting created by struggles over evolution. He says the flat-earth myth was an ideal way to dismiss the ideas of a religious past in the name of modern science.
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The Bible of course teaches the correct shape of the earth. Isaiah 40:22 says God sits above 'the circle of the earth' (the Hebrew word for 'circle' can also mean a 'sphere'). Also, Luke 17:34-36 depicts Christ's Second Coming as happening while some are asleep at night and others are working at day-time activities in the field-an indication of a rotating earth with day and night at the same time.
Footnote

1. Boorstin acknowledges in his book that by the time of Columbus, most educated Europeans believed in a spherical Earth.

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Byrdie714

Makes sense....but what about the argument of the earth being in the center of the universe or is that all pretty much the same argument that you are presenting?

GarnetTigerMom

You got a good point on that question.

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Reba

Since no one knows the boundaries of the universe, then how do we know that earth isn't in the center? (I'm not talking about the earth's position in the solar system.)

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fredfam1

More like the Earths relationship to what will happen in the future. If you argue from a theological standpoint, the earth as a creation must submit itself to the will of the creator or else it will no longer be able to exist as it is. It will be destroyed and recreated. The moon is moving away from the earth at an incredible rate, cosmologically speaking. The entire universe that we can perceive is winding down like a huge clock. Hey, I drew a cartoon one time. It was Gods hands and in one of them He held a huge needle and in the other He held the universe in the shape of a large balloon. The caption read, "God prepares to demonstrate the inherent fallacies with the Big Bang Theory."

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sequoias

first paragraph.

Cheri

no problemo.

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GarnetTigerMom

I believe no one ever knows for sure how farrrrrrrrrrrrr the universe is out there in space. It probably there is no end how far the universe is and could go on forever.

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Angel

no you're not dreaming, she really did say that. ha ha.

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Liebling:-)))

[QUOTE] You are not dreaming...
Did you read full of my post instead of one sentence?


Did you know what you are saying?

I say no more further...

Do you beleive what the link you provided, say? I only see that it´s Ralph who wrote both blue and green himself.

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Liebling:-)))

Yes, you are not dreaming...

I only said that I agreed with Police Officer that a man is bitter because a man complaint and blame God.

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Liebling:-)))

Dear ADers

Please check Cheri´s link and read carefully and also my first post as well. It seem to me that Ralph wrote both blue and green sentences himself as an example, isn´t he? It look like that Ralph made it up himself, isn´t he?

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Cheri

Why accuse someone for making it up. That's not nice.

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Cheri

It's true, It already happened on AD, now and the past, Some members assume God for being a murder, even complain about God. So there's no differences between the first paragraph on the first post versus some members posts on AD. It makes me sad to see this happening. I'm sure it happens everywhere even in the real world.

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