Because Bible said so!

**KarissaMann05** · 01-22-2008, 09:07 PM

I noticed some ADers used a quote toward other ADers...
I decided to make a suggestion for you guys.

IN THE NOTE- I HAVE NO INTENTION TO FORCE YOU TO DO WHAT I SAID. JUST INFORM YOU GUYS AS SUGGESTION.

I picked a several of examples from other online journals--

* ( "Therebefore, choose a life and your descendant may live." See, you should not have an abortion because you go to Hell. )
* ( "Sicidal comment shall not have done" This is what it said, you will go to Hell if you do. )
* ( "Adam and Eve... had children..." It was proof that same-sex marriage is wrong, God will send you to Hell for sure!)

All above is pretty harsh and pushy to me, that would led you to have a drama or ending up with heat debate. That's not so good, really.

How do you aviod that?

Here a positive examples from my make-up of ideas - -
* A sidical commit is pretty poor taste for anybody, in my opinion, if there is God then He will not happy with their desicions. ... For that reason is what's about their future they would have a chance? Etc etc
* I'm against an idea of same-sex marriage because I'd rather to follow what my Bible said, however, if they want to may which is not my business. I understand their concerns for their future of relationship, I prayed for them and their best desicions, for all matters.

That's very good examples, that's also why I almost never use Bible quotes toward any Ader anywhere here except my thoughts, opinions, etc etc.

What my point is people should not tell them to do what bible (or any religion) said, push them in any belief, or etc etc. Otherwise, that would not sovle anything, really.
It'll be easy if you discuss, to share an opinion and/or thought with people without using a religion quote, UNLESS THEY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT BIBLE or a kind of religion then you can talk about it.

If they ask you about Bible/a kind of religion that they want to know, go for it as long as you dont push them in your belief.

I am very understand that many people are probably tired of Bible, I aware of that, yeah.. AGAIN, it's important to discuss with your thought, opinion, and what you are feeling about any on-topic thread WITHOUT TELLING TO DO OR ELSE. Personally, i'm kinda of not happy with ADers use a name as God, Jesus, Bible, any religion to against other Ader's opinion, thought, etc as to tell them to do whatever it is. Because it would make ADers to clash each other, cearly, it's pretty bad idea. If you don't know how to do like that, take a look here: Courtesy and Respect in AllDeaf I hope this is may help you better.

So, I thought why not you try to start with this suggestion?
Actually, be remember, it's your desicion to use a religion quote or not. I can't tell you to do, anyway. ^_^ That's all up to you. I just suggest you, that's all.

Now what do you think so? Try a new something like I suggest?

PS- I can help if you have a trouble to deal with anything about religion, just PM me. (Just note it, I am not an active user but i'll do my best to catch up with your PMs or comments.) I'll be glad to help.

Personally, I NEVER PUSH your belief in my own belief. I never would, is that correct, Puyo?

Mizzou · 01-22-2008, 09:11 PM

I agree with you. I been tired of negatives about it. I do belief there are different religions around in All Deaf users.

I do agrees!

**KarissaMann05** · 01-22-2008, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou

I agree with you. I been tired of negatives about it. I do belief there are different religions around in All Deaf users.

I do agrees!

**KarissaMann05** · 01-22-2008, 09:41 PM

To correct a word

Quote:

* I'm against an idea of same-sex marriage because I'd rather to follow what my Bible said, however, if they want to may which is not my business. I understand their concerns for their future of relationship, I prayed for them and their best desicions, for all matters.

*marry

restless_heart · 01-22-2008, 09:59 PM

I agree. I felt some should respects for others for their own beliefs. We cannot tell others what to believe and what not to believe in. Whether if they were right or wrong. We learned from our own beliefs and that is how it goes...no one can change that. Some can say there is only one God, some other may say there is another God. If a person asks me if there is actually a Heaven, I would say yes. If that person had trouble believing there's actually a Heaven. And that person decided there is no Heaven. I respect that because that is their choice. I cannot go to that person then you will go to Hell. It is up to God, not me or them...

Using quotes from the Bible and to change it, I wouldn't. the Bible is written as it was in the first place. Let it as it was written. It is a real Bible. And using quotes to mock people will not solve anything, but make it worse...

The way I was taught growing up is my belief and will remain as it is forever till the day I die. There are Amish, Jews, many different religions all over the world...and it has expand...with their own quotes and choices. We, each one of us choose our own path to where we believe in and follow that path whether if we were right or wrong...we will know the true answer in the end...and that is at the end of our time.

**Liebling:-)))** · 01-23-2008, 06:50 AM

I beleive to follow what I know and what I know my limit instead of do what the bible says because the bible don't know me.

01-23-2008, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I beleive to follow what I know and what I know my limit instead of do what the bible says because the bible don't know me.

I dont understand what you are saying....What do you mean
when you said "Bible dont know me"...so hows that?
God DOES KNOW YOU!! He knows all about you, and He loves you!

***VamPyroX*** · 01-23-2008, 01:26 PM

So, if the Bible says that you should kill someone for stealing... would you do it?

After all, it's like you said... "Because the Bible said so!"

Hwy99 · 01-23-2008, 04:28 PM

As for your last sentence, Mann, yes

I definitely agree with you, I have been seeing some people using the Bible as weapon...

Askjo · 01-23-2008, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I beleive to follow what I know and what I know my limit instead of do what the bible says because the bible don't know me.

This red quotation means you are not saved. Correct?

Askjo · 01-23-2008, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VamPyroX

So, if the Bible says that you should kill someone for stealing... would you do it?
After all, it's like you said... "Because the Bible said so!"

This refers to the Old Testament because of the law that demands. Is stealing wrong? If so, let it be so. We are under the grace during the New Testament, and then we are no longer under the law. It is up to the government to punish any thieves by putting in jail or death punishment. Only the authority.

**Cheri** · 01-23-2008, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I beleive to follow what I know and what I know my limit instead of do what the bible says because the bible don't know me.

God knows you better than we do, God knows your thoughts, your actions and your heart.

Askjo · 01-23-2008, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

God knows you better than we do, God knows your thoughts, your actions and your heart.

Correct, I second that.

kalboy · 01-23-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Askjo

This refers to the Old Testament because of the law that demands. Is stealing wrong? If so, let it be so. We are under the grace during the New Testament, and then we are no longer under the law. It is up to the government to punish any thieves by putting in jail or death punishment. Only the authority.

It's also within the government's authority to wed gay people

Askjo · 01-23-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kalboy

It's also within the government's authority to wed gay people

Are you happy? Is God happy?

***VamPyroX*** · 01-23-2008, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Askjo

This refers to the Old Testament because of the law that demands. Is stealing wrong? If so, let it be so. We are under the grace during the New Testament, and then we are no longer under the law. It is up to the government to punish any thieves by putting in jail or death punishment. Only the authority.

The Bible says so... whether it's the New Testament or the Old Testament.

You're saying that since what happened was in the Old Testament, it shouldn't be taken seriously or followed? Well, the Ten Commandments was in the Old Testament. We shouldn't follow that either?

Secretblend · 01-23-2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

The Bible says so... whether it's the New Testament or the Old Testament.

You're saying that since what happened was in the Old Testament, it shouldn't be taken seriously or followed? Well, the Ten Commandments was in the Old Testament. We shouldn't follow that either?

Here is the way I see it,

Old Testament was superseded by New Testament. There are few minor differents since Jesus came and died for us therefore invalidated some of old law. One example is the ten commandment, which is "Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy" which was changed to first day of the week. The Old Testament is there for us to use as example of how to live our lives and to learn from their mistakes and see why we should follow the laws that God has set for us. It is also there to explain how we came to be and what lead God's people to where they are in Jesus's time.

GarnetTigerMom · 01-23-2008, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

God knows you better than we do, God knows your thoughts, your actions and your heart.

Yep I second you there CHeri.

**KarissaMann05** · 01-23-2008, 09:53 PM

Okay, okay, that's enough. Some posts are not relative to here because I was only explaining and suggesting.

Let's go and move on.

**Liebling:-)))** · 01-24-2008, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Defee

I dont understand what you are saying....What do you mean
when you said "Bible dont know me"...so hows that?
God DOES KNOW YOU!! He knows all about you, and He loves you!

Quote:

Askjo's post
This red quotation means you are not saved. Correct?

Quote:

Cheri's post
God knows you better than we do, God knows your thoughts, your actions and your heart.

I didn't mention anything about God but book in my last post, don't I?

I only mentioned the bible (a copy or edition of the Bible book), I am referred to, not God.

Where and How I learn my limit from? is from my parents, school etc. because they know me in real life which the bible book doesn't.

01-24-2008, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I didn't mention anything about God but book in my last post, don't I?

I only mentioned the bible (a copy or edition of the Bible book), I am referred to, not God.

Where and How I learn my limit from? is from my parents, school etc. because they know me in real life which the bible book doesn't.

Huh? I still dont understand...Im just merely saying that God knows
you and every human on Earth, knows what we think, knows of our
past, present and futures. He loves everyone of us! I dont know why
you think Bible doesnt know you, i dont understand that concept, but
God wants you and everybody to read and love the Bible.

***VamPyroX*** · 01-25-2008, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Secretblend

Here is the way I see it,

Old Testament was superseded by New Testament. There are few minor differents since Jesus came and died for us therefore invalidated some of old law. One example is the ten commandment, which is "Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy" which was changed to first day of the week. The Old Testament is there for us to use as example of how to live our lives and to learn from their mistakes and see why we should follow the laws that God has set for us. It is also there to explain how we came to be and what lead God's people to where they are in Jesus's time.

So, we use our own judgment to determine what and what not to follow in the Bible.

Well, what if we're using the wrong judgment?

The Bible is simply a book filled with various stories written by various people. There are some other stuff that the Vatican or the Pope won't allow to be added to the Bible because they used their judgment not to allow it. What if there's more that we have a right to know? What if it's a lie? For all we know, there is probably a secret to immortality or a gender-related story that the Pope doesn't want us to know about.

Basically, men are superior to women... and women should just stay home. There are things we're doing today that pretty much goes against what the Bible says, but there's nothing wrong with what we're doing. It's just that people bend the rules more and more... and are being open-minded.

Well, that's because we're following our ethical beliefs... not because the Bible says so.

It hurts when someone dies. So, "Thou shall not kill." That's common sense.

It's like Socrates. It's simple understanding and philosophy. If there was really a 10 Commandments, Moses probably made it up. Moses was probably an ethical philosopher and believed that people wouldn't listen to him if he said the words came from him. So, he claimed they came from God.

It could be anything... after all, the Bible is just a book of stories.

Roadrunner · 01-25-2008, 02:54 PM

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..after all, the Bible is just a book of stories.

Allow me to rephrase that to: '..after all, the Bible is just a book of 'true' stories.' (..and more)

~RR

**Rio** · 01-25-2008, 03:15 PM

For me the bible is book of encouragement, love and how much Jesus paid the ultimate price for all of us. The only way to have a personal relationship with Him is giving Him your heart as the bible says. I am aware of many religions out there, the bible was inspired by God. The only way for others to experience God's love is to receive Him in your heart and He will bless the socks out of you

and grow into maturity as you read your bible and learning more about God and the bible in church.

Byrdie714 · 01-25-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Roadrunner

Allow me to rephrase that to: '..after all, the Bible is just a book of 'true' stories.' (..and more)

~RR

With no validation....

Secretblend · 01-25-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

With no validation....

Depending on your faith.

Secretblend · 01-25-2008, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VamPyroX

So, we use our own judgment to determine what and what not to follow in the Bible.

Well, what if we're using the wrong judgment?

The Bible is simply a book filled with various stories written by various people. There are some other stuff that the Vatican or the Pope won't allow to be added to the Bible because they used their judgment not to allow it. What if there's more that we have a right to know? What if it's a lie? For all we know, there is probably a secret to immortality or a gender-related story that the Pope doesn't want us to know about.

Basically, men are superior to women... and women should just stay home. There are things we're doing today that pretty much goes against what the Bible says, but there's nothing wrong with what we're doing. It's just that people bend the rules more and more... and are being open-minded.

Well, that's because we're following our ethical beliefs... not because the Bible says so.

It hurts when someone dies. So, "Thou shall not kill." That's common sense.

It's like Socrates. It's simple understanding and philosophy. If there was really a 10 Commandments, Moses probably made it up. Moses was probably an ethical philosopher and believed that people wouldn't listen to him if he said the words came from him. So, he claimed they came from God.

It could be anything... after all, the Bible is just a book of stories.

The Bible is to be believed or not is based on faith. I believe it to be true because my faith says it is. Is it possible that the whole Bible is a scam. Of course it is. Is it possible that God wrote the Bible using different men over course of thousand of years. Yes it is possible.

It depends on how you view faith. It is possible that I might die into nonexistance. It is also possible that I might die and face God and go to Heaven or Hell depending on how I lived my life.

It is possible that the whole knowledge that we have is all false. All of them! What we end up with would be totally different that what we all expected and believed. We just don't know for sure till we cross over.

To me, The Bible is true and validated by nature. However, that is my belief. I understand why some wouldn't see it that way and that's fine with me. That is their belief and I cannot change the way they see it and same goes with others with me.

As I said, the Bible is based on faith and those that do not have faith will never understand why those that has faith can trust in the Bible. By the same token, those who do have faith will never understand why the rest cannot see the Bible as they see it.

That is way it always has been and always will be.

One thing for sure, WE ALL WILL FIND OUT THE TRUTH ON OUR FINAL DAY!

**Angel** · 01-25-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Secretblend

The Bible is to be believed or not is based on faith. I believe it to be true because my faith says it is. Is it possible that the whole Bible is a scam. Of course it is. Is it possible that God wrote the Bible using different men over course of thousand of years. Yes it is possible.

It depends on how you view faith. It is possible that I might die into nonexistance. It is also possible that I might die and face God and go to Heaven or Hell depending on how I lived my life.

It is possible that the whole knowledge that we have is all false. All of them! What we end up with would be totally different that what we all expected and believed. We just don't know for sure till we cross over.

To me, The Bible is true and validated by nature. However, that is my belief. I understand why some wouldn't see it that way and that's fine with me. That is their belief and I cannot change the way they see it and same goes with others with me.

As I said, the Bible is based on faith and those that do not have faith will never understand why those that has faith can trust in the Bible. By the same token, those who do have faith will never understand why the rest cannot see the Bible as they see it.

That is way it always has been and always will be.

One thing for sure, WE ALL WILL FIND OUT THE TRUTH ON OUR FINAL DAY!

Well said!!! I agreed.

***VamPyroX*** · 01-26-2008, 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roadrunner

Allow me to rephrase that to: '..after all, the Bible is just a book of 'true' stories.' (..and more)

~RR

Who says they're true?

Secretblend · 01-26-2008, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

Who says they're true?

I say they are true!

01-22-2008, 09:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
KarissaMann05 Premium Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 6,378	Because Bible said so! I noticed some ADers used a quote toward other ADers... I decided to make a suggestion for you guys. *IN THE NOTE- I HAVE NO INTENTION TO FORCE YOU TO DO WHAT I SAID. JUST INFORM YOU GUYS AS SUGGESTION.* I picked a several of examples from other online journals-- * ( "Therebefore, choose a life and your descendant may live." See, you should not have an abortion because you go to Hell. ) * ( "Sicidal comment shall not have done" This is what it said, you will go to Hell if you do. ) * ( "Adam and Eve... had children..." It was proof that same-sex marriage is wrong, God will send you to Hell for sure!) All above is pretty harsh and pushy to me, that would led you to have a drama or ending up with heat debate. That's not so good, really. How do you aviod that? Here a positive examples from my make-up of ideas - - * A sidical commit is pretty poor taste for anybody, in my opinion, if there is God then He will not happy with their desicions. ... For that reason is what's about their future they would have a chance? Etc etc * I'm against an idea of same-sex marriage because I'd rather to follow what my Bible said, however, if they want to may which is not my business. I understand their concerns for their future of relationship, I prayed for them and their best desicions, for all matters. That's very good examples, that's also why I almost never use Bible quotes toward any Ader anywhere here except my thoughts, opinions, etc etc. What my point is people should not tell them to do what bible (or any religion) said, push them in any belief, or etc etc. Otherwise, that would not sovle anything, really. It'll be easy if you discuss, to share an opinion and/or thought with people without using a religion quote, UNLESS THEY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT BIBLE or a kind of religion then you can talk about it. If they ask you about Bible/a kind of religion that they want to know, go for it as long as you dont push them in your belief. I am very understand that many people are probably tired of Bible, I aware of that, yeah.. AGAIN, it's important to discuss with your thought, opinion, and what you are feeling about any on-topic thread WITHOUT TELLING TO DO OR ELSE. Personally, i'm kinda of not happy with ADers use a name as God, Jesus, Bible, any religion to against other Ader's opinion, thought, etc as to tell them to do whatever it is. Because it would make ADers to clash each other, cearly, it's pretty bad idea. If you don't know how to do like that, take a look here: Courtesy and Respect in AllDeaf I hope this is may help you better. So, I thought why not you try to start with this suggestion? Actually, be remember, it's your desicion to use a religion quote or not. I can't tell you to do, anyway. ^_^ That's all up to you. I just suggest you, that's all. Now what do you think so? Try a new something like I suggest? PS- I can help if you have a trouble to deal with anything about religion, just PM me. (Just note it, I am not an active user but i'll do my best to catch up with your PMs or comments.) I'll be glad to help. Personally, I NEVER PUSH your belief in my own belief. I never would, is that correct, Puyo? __________________ "Pragmatic language is a vital social skill that enables the school-aged child to navigate their way through demanding social situations." -- R. Owens

01-22-2008, 09:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
restless_heart Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: somewhere in the mountain, Pennsylvania Posts: 1,349	I agree. I felt some should respects for others for their own beliefs. We cannot tell others what to believe and what not to believe in. Whether if they were right or wrong. We learned from our own beliefs and that is how it goes...no one can change that. Some can say there is only one God, some other may say there is another God. If a person asks me if there is actually a Heaven, I would say yes. If that person had trouble believing there's actually a Heaven. And that person decided there is no Heaven. I respect that because that is their choice. I cannot go to that person then you will go to Hell. It is up to God, not me or them... Using quotes from the Bible and to change it, I wouldn't. the Bible is written as it was in the first place. Let it as it was written. It is a real Bible. And using quotes to mock people will not solve anything, but make it worse... The way I was taught growing up is my belief and will remain as it is forever till the day I die. There are Amish, Jews, many different religions all over the world...and it has expand...with their own quotes and choices. We, each one of us choose our own path to where we believe in and follow that path whether if we were right or wrong...we will know the true answer in the end...and that is at the end of our time. __________________ Never Give Up: My Stroke, My Recovery & My return to NFL...by Tedy Bruschi

01-23-2008, 06:50 AM	#6 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) Sussi 7.7.86 - 18.6.09 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 31,038	I beleive to follow what I know and what I know my limit instead of do what the bible says because the bible don't know me. __________________

01-23-2008, 01:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
*VamPyroX* bloody phreak from hell Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 40.18, 58.41 Posts: 34,136	So, if the Bible says that you should kill someone for stealing... would you do it? After all, it's like you said... "Because the Bible said so!" __________________ Check out my city... C L I C K H E R E! (If you've already visited yesterday, visit again today!)

01-23-2008, 09:53 PM	#19 (permalink)
KarissaMann05 Premium Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 6,378	Okay, okay, that's enough. Some posts are not relative to here because I was only explaining and suggesting. Let's go and move on. __________________ "Pragmatic language is a vital social skill that enables the school-aged child to navigate their way through demanding social situations." -- R. Owens

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01-22-2008, 09:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mizzou Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: somewhere in Missouri Posts: 2,687	I agree with you. I been tired of negatives about it. I do belief there are different religions around in All Deaf users. I do agrees!

01-23-2008, 04:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
Hwy99 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: A town in middle of the rolling hills Posts: 6,141	As for your last sentence, Mann, yes I definitely agree with you, I have been seeing some people using the Bible as weapon...

01-25-2008, 03:15 PM	#24 (permalink)
Rio Patriots Rock! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Patriots lockerroom Posts: 12,235 Blog Entries: 59	For me the bible is book of encouragement, love and how much Jesus paid the ultimate price for all of us. The only way to have a personal relationship with Him is giving Him your heart as the bible says. I am aware of many religions out there, the bible was inspired by God. The only way for others to experience God's love is to receive Him in your heart and He will bless the socks out of you and grow into maturity as you read your bible and learning more about God and the bible in church. __________________ Ps.103:12 He washes our sins away into the ocean Brady's back Proverbs 17:9 Love prospers when a fault is forgiven, but dwelling on it separates close friends

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