Is Drinking Alcohol A Sin?

**Liebling:-)))** · 05-15-2007, 07:50 AM

Is Drinking Alcohol A Sin?

Fact: Jesus Christ never sinned, never:

"For we have not an High Priest [see also High Priest to King of The World] which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 4:15 KJV)
Fact: The first recorded miracle of Jesus Christ was changing water into wine, for people to drink:

"And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now. This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth His glory; and His disciples believed on Him" (John 2:10-11 KJV)

Fact: Jesus Christ drank wine, not only at the Passover observance every year (and, as He said, will do again in the future after His return), but at other times as well, as stated in the Scriptures:

"And He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is My blood of the New Testament [see also Covenant and Testament], which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's Kingdom" (Matthew 26:27-29 KJV) [see also "Thy Kingdom Come" - When?]

"The Son of man is come eating and drinking" (Luke 7:34 KJV)

Question: Jesus Christ never sinned, but moderately drank wine, even miraculously produced wine for others to consume on one occasion. How then can drinking alcohol be a sin?

When Is It A Sin? When Isn't It A Sin?

Some people choose to totally abstain from alcohol, and the Scriptures don't say that they should start.

Some other people should totally abstain from alcohol, or remain totally abstinent from alcohol, because the Scriptures make plain why excessive alcohol consumption (i.e. "alcoholism") is very damaging, not just for the individual who can't control their behavior, but for their families and society as a whole who are hurt by them.

Still other people do drink, very moderately, and the Scriptures say that it's not wrong.

There is no one answer to the question "Is drinking alcohol a sin?" - for some people, in some ways, it is a sin, for others, in other ways, it's not a sin.

John the Baptist did not drink alcohol; Jesus Christ did drink alcohol in moderation (as explained further below, getting drunk is a sin, but Jesus Christ never sinned - therefore Jesus drank, but never got drunk) - and both were criticized for it, either way:

"For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil. The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!" (Luke 7:33-34 KJV)

Those who use the term "demon alcohol," or terms like it, may wish to reconsider how they express it when it comes to Christianity. Jesus Christ did consume alcohol, but was absolutely spiritually pure - He warned about blaspheming the Holy Spirit in any way:

"And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come" (Matthew 12:32 KJV)
Alcohol consumption becomes a sin when it corrupts righteous thought or behavior, harms health, or violates any civil law:

"Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? They that tarry long at the wine" (Proverbs 23:29-30 KJV)

"Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh: For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty" (Proverbs 23:20-21 KJV)

"And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess" (Ephesians 5:18 KJV)

"Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying." (Romans 13:13 KJV)

Fact Finder: Jesus Christ plainly stated that He will drink wine, at the very least for Passover (which will still be observed in the future) i.e. "But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's Kingdom." (Matthew 26:29 KJV). Do the Scriptures also say that drunkards will be among those who will not be in the Kingdom of God?
1 Corinthians 6:10

Daily Bible Study - Is Drinking Alcohol A Sin?

What do you think of this? Christians claimed that Jesus drink juice, not wine.

I know for a long time that Jesus drank red wine.

**shel90** · 05-15-2007, 07:57 AM

I enjoy drinking alcohol from time to time. I see nothing wrong with it as long as it is in moderate.

**Cheri** · 05-15-2007, 08:04 AM

There is absolutely no scriptural evidence that Jesus ever drank wine himself or ever tried to get anyone else to drink wine. ln all scriptural accounts of the last supper it is "the cup" or "the fruit of the vine" that Jesus offers to the Apostles, not wine.

**Foxrac** · 05-15-2007, 08:06 AM

It's probably from Mormon and Muslim.

(MOD NOTE: Unnecessary and personal)

There's ban on sale of alcohol on Sunday in some states.

**Liebling:-)))** · 05-15-2007, 08:14 AM

Red wine is made from red (or black) grapes.

**Liebling:-)))** · 05-15-2007, 08:20 AM

Egyptian Wine

Egyptian wine has an extensive history within Egyptian civilization. Grapes were not native to the landscape of Egypt, rather the vines themselves are hypothesized to have been imported from the Phoenicians, though the actual origins remain in dispute. What is known, is that by the third millennium BC, Egyptian kings of the first dynasty had expansive wine cellars, and wine was used extensively in the temple ceremonies. The main consumption of wine in Egypt took place between the king, nobles, and the priests in temple ceremonies, and is evidenced by numerous painted relief's, and other archeological evidence. The vineyards of ancient Egypt were quite different from the modern methods of wine making today. As viticulture (or wine making), ceased to serve an exclusively ceremonial purpose, the Egyptians began to experiment with simple structures for their vines to train on, as well as found a way to train their vines so they were easy low maintenance bushes, and found ways for the soil to retain more moisture for the vines. Egyptian wine making experiments included the use of different wine presses, adding heat to the must (the grape juice ready for fermentation) in order to make the wine sweet, and differences in vat types and materials. The finished product was poured through a cloth filter, and then into earthenware jars, where they would be sealed with natural tar and left to ferment. The Egyptians kept accurate records of their vintages, and the quality of their wines, each jar of wine was clearly labeled with it's own vintage and quality.

The search for the recipes and wine types of the Egyptians have yielded mixed results within the delta region of the Nile. Due to the climatic changes since the time of ancient Egypt, quests for the right vine, the right mixture of materials, and other factors, have left the modern renditions of ancient Egyptian wine with something to be desired. Nestor Gianaclis, set out in 1903 to find the mixtures of Egyptian wine, as well as the necessary growing conditions, to create wine which tasted the same as the primordial counterparts of ancient Egypt. Nestor searched out areas throughout Egypt, looking for the right type of soil, moisture, and grape which could grow a wine worthy vine. With the aid of Egyptian ministries, seventy three conventional grape types were tried in addition to Nestor's twenty he himself had bred. Once the ideal soil type was found (similar to the soil of Champagne, France), it was not until 1931 that the first modern rendition of ancient Egyptian wine was produced. This rendition of the ancient wine continues to be made in the present day, however, many wine connoisseurs consider it of poor taste. Regardless, the taste of the ancients is still present 3,500 years later.
Egyptian wine making

**Liebling:-)))** · 05-15-2007, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Wine:
"Wine is as good as life to a mean, if it be drunk moderately: what is life to a man that is without wine?" (Sirach 31:27)
A glass or two of red wine every day is a heart - healthy measure, scientific tests show.

Bible Health Guide for healthy living.

christlovedeaf · 05-15-2007, 10:56 AM

We have discussed that about the wine on other thread, I think was last fall by Netrox. When Jesus turn water into wine, not meaning alcohol at first. But since been out in the sun thru the day, you know what wine becomes. When people got drunk, Jesus said, get rid of it. No, it's nothing wrong with drinking wine. Jesus uses wine at Last Supper not always meaning alcohol in them. Getting drunk is a sin, but drink wine is not. And have you heard non-alcohol wine, even looks like bottle of wine? Similar with Jesus. I know as today language uses as juice, but in old days, call it wine, not always mean alcohol.

**Dixie** · 05-15-2007, 11:45 AM

I personally think that the occassional stiff drink is good but when you are out getting hammered from Friday night through Sunday afternoon, thats when you run into trouble. For one too much alcohol pretty much kills your liver, but in moderate consumption it is good for your heart.

In France, people normally drink a glass of wine a day, usually at dinner time.

In know people here who are good Christians and believe the Bible through and through that also sit down to their evening meal and have a glass of wine with it.

When I have a barbecue I typically have 2 or 3 beers for the night, and if I am celebrating something, I will have more of the hard stuff such as tequila, rum, and vodka.

But all of it in moderate consumption. If I am starting to get tipsy, I usually stop right there.

but however, I can sympathize with the drunk. I have been down that road as well. Shortly after my divorce and the loss of my house, I sank into a deep depression and I started drinking heavily, and for some weeks it was daily.

On weekends I was a total loss, I would easilly consume 2 bottles of wine, half a bottle of tequila, then finish off with vodka or Jaegermeister all in one night. For my 22nd birthday I took 17 shots of tequila before passing out in my attempt for 22 shots.

Am I boasting of my ability to hold my liquor, no. But I will say this, there are times I have blacked out for eight hours straight with no recollection of what I was doing, and I was running on autopilot. There are times I did some absolutely stupid stunts that if I were caught, could have easily landed me in jail and furthermore, could have led to the loss of my DD.

But God started gnawing at me, started telling me if I dont get my shit together that I am going to be in for a very rough life. There are some funny moments to remember but in the end drunkenness can cause stupidity.

Now that I have 'grown up' - I understand that everything is best in moderation. There are times I am tempted to drink more than I should, but I also know that if I do, I could end up putting myself or others in danger.

But at the same time, I think God allowed me to go through that period in my life so I could better understand the drunk and where they are coming from.

Alcohol and sex are the same thing - if they are used correctly, you have Gods blessing in doing so.

Askjo · 01-22-2008, 06:15 PM

The two kinds of wine are grapefruit and alcohol. When Jesus drank the wine, it is grapefruit, not alcohol. The wine (alcohol), strong drink is wrong and sin.

Hwy99 · 01-22-2008, 06:58 PM

I have no problem with the alcohol as long as people drink it moderately, just like some ADers here said.

**shel90** · 01-22-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dixie

I personally think that the occassional stiff drink is good but when you are out getting hammered from Friday night through Sunday afternoon, thats when you run into trouble. For one too much alcohol pretty much kills your liver, but in moderate consumption it is good for your heart.

In France, people normally drink a glass of wine a day, usually at dinner time.

In know people here who are good Christians and believe the Bible through and through that also sit down to their evening meal and have a glass of wine with it.

When I have a barbecue I typically have 2 or 3 beers for the night, and if I am celebrating something, I will have more of the hard stuff such as tequila, rum, and vodka.

But all of it in moderate consumption. If I am starting to get tipsy, I usually stop right there.

but however, I can sympathize with the drunk. I have been down that road as well. Shortly after my divorce and the loss of my house, I sank into a deep depression and I started drinking heavily, and for some weeks it was daily.

On weekends I was a total loss, I would easilly consume 2 bottles of wine, half a bottle of tequila, then finish off with vodka or Jaegermeister all in one night. For my 22nd birthday I took 17 shots of tequila before passing out in my attempt for 22 shots.

Am I boasting of my ability to hold my liquor, no. But I will say this, there are times I have blacked out for eight hours straight with no recollection of what I was doing, and I was running on autopilot. There are times I did some absolutely stupid stunts that if I were caught, could have easily landed me in jail and furthermore, could have led to the loss of my DD.

But God started gnawing at me, started telling me if I dont get my shit together that I am going to be in for a very rough life. There are some funny moments to remember but in the end drunkenness can cause stupidity.

Now that I have 'grown up' - I understand that everything is best in moderation. There are times I am tempted to drink more than I should, but I also know that if I do, I could end up putting myself or others in danger.

But at the same time, I think God allowed me to go through that period in my life so I could better understand the drunk and where they are coming from.

Alcohol and sex are the same thing - if they are used correctly, you have Gods blessing in doing so.

Wow! Thanks for sharing your experience and I am glad u are ok!!!

**Reba** · 01-22-2008, 07:48 PM

Jesus is God and He never sinned.

Many people like to use this alcohol question to promote the belief that Jesus was just a sinning man and not God. It's an old ploy. Ask the Pharisees if it worked for them.

Neither the "wine" nor bread of the Passover meal or Last Supper was fermented. Fermentation is a symbol of the contamination and spread of sin. That's why fermentation (leaven) was eliminated from the elements of the Last Supper.

The drinking of fermented alcoholic beverages by born again Christians is a sin.

Drinking alcohol will not send anyone to hell.

Who knows for sure how much "moderate" drinking is? It's not the same for every person under all circumstances. Why play with fire? Is it worth a DUI ticket or accident? Is it worth damage to the developing baby? Is it worth liver damage? Is it worth becoming an alcoholic? Is it worth doing something that you'll later regret?

Any chemical that impairs the mental process that is taken for non-medicinal reasons is a sin. That includes alcohol, prescription drugs, cleaning products, paint, and illegal street drugs.

Yes, we have debated this topic much in previous threads. No wasting time when the gates opened again, eh?

lumbingmi · 01-22-2008, 07:50 PM

Beer and weed are gifts from God. It is stupid if we allow these gifts to be wasted.

Drinking itself is not problem but the problems are being caused by person's behavior.

**shel90** · 01-22-2008, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reba

Jesus is God and He never sinned.

Many people like to use this alcohol question to promote the belief that Jesus was just a sinning man and not God. It's an old ploy. Ask the Pharisees if it worked for them.

Neither the "wine" nor bread of the Passover meal or Last Supper was fermented. Fermentation is a symbol of the contamination and spread of sin. That's why fermentation (leaven) was eliminated from the elements of the Last Supper.

The drinking of fermented alcoholic beverages by born again Christians is a sin.

Drinking alcohol will not send anyone to hell.

Who knows for sure how much "moderate" drinking is? It's not the same for every person under all circumstances. Why play with fire? Is it worth a DUI ticket or accident? Is it worth damage to the developing baby? Is it worth liver damage? Is it worth becoming an alcoholic? Is it worth doing something that you'll later regret?

Any chemical that impairs the mental process that is taken for non-medicinal reasons is a sin. That includes alcohol, prescription drugs, cleaning products, paint, and illegal street drugs.

Yes, we have debated this topic much in previous threads. No wasting time when the gates opened again, eh?

So if someone drinks alcohol to help their heart like wine, is that a sin? Just curious.

omegaman · 01-22-2008, 07:51 PM

Apparently a glass of red wine is good for you because it has antioxidants; same as dark chocolate. I don't think drinking alcohol is a sin, but it can make you commit sins.

Woah Dixie, you sure can drink..

But, I am glad to know you now realise how too much alcohol can affect you, and have decided not to go down the self-destruction path.

**Reba** · 01-22-2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

So if someone drinks alcohol to help their heart like wine, is that a sin? Just curious.

If a doctor prescribes it as the only way to treat a heart ailment then that would be a medicinal purpose.

**shel90** · 01-22-2008, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reba

If a doctor prescribes it as the only way to treat a heart ailment then that would be a medicinal purpose.

Thanks ..just was wondering how it was viewed.

**Reba** · 01-22-2008, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Thanks ..just was wondering how it was viewed.

Well, it's just my opinion, which probably isn't worth two cents to some people.

**shel90** · 01-22-2008, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reba

Well, it's just my opinion, which probably isn't worth two cents to some people.

It is nice to learn, though.

Aleser · 01-22-2008, 09:09 PM

Well, from my own perspective, any alcohol is never okay, ever. This goes all the way down to buying alcohol free vanilla for baking, ect. Most practising Muslims I know are also equally strict about avoiding it.

From a Christian perspective, though, the Bible tells Christians that your body is a temple- one in which was purchased at great cost, and as such, it deserves nothing short of honor and respect. Alcohol offers no benefits that cannot be found in other foods, and poses health / mental state risks- that's not respecting your body.

Drinking has just become a -socially acceptable- way to abuse your body. What if someone said they use meth just once in a while? Or if someone said that they only cut themselves on occassion?

Doing something harmful -less often- doesn't negate the fact that you're harming yourself.

GarnetTigerMom · 01-22-2008, 09:12 PM

I don't see how drinking wine or beer or other thing drink is a sin. I am sure jesus drank some wine but I wouldn't call it a sin. what brough this up? curious.

Texan Guy · 01-22-2008, 09:16 PM

IT IS SIN!!!!!!! *drinking the irish whiskey*

***VamPyroX*** · 01-22-2008, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumbingmi

Beer and weed are gifts from God. It is stupid if we allow these gifts to be wasted.

Drinking itself is not problem but the problems are being caused by person's behavior.

It's like the issue with guns.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

I drink beer. Nothing wrong with that. If I drink irresponsibly and get in a car accident, then that's wrong. So, whose fault is it... my fault or the beer's fault?

omegaman · 01-22-2008, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VamPyroX

If I drink irresponsibly and get in a car accident, then that's wrong. So, whose fault is it... my fault or the beer's fault?

Well, if a person behind the bar serves you alcohol even though they know you already had too much, then it would be their fault. Afterall, you shouldn't blame yourself, and being under the influence of alcohol can affect your judgment

***VamPyroX*** · 01-22-2008, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omegaman

Well, if a person behind the bar serves you alcohol even though they know you already had too much, then it would be their fault. Afterall, you shouldn't blame yourself, and being under the influence of alcohol can affect your judgment

But, by getting alcohol as a minor... I am being irresponsible.

**Liebling:-)))** · 01-23-2008, 02:32 AM

What does the Bible say about drinking alcohol / wine? Is it a sin for a Christian to drink alcohol / wine?

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Question: "What does the Bible say about drinking alcohol / wine? Is it a sin for a Christian to drink alcohol / wine?"

Answer: Scripture contains many warnings regarding the drinking of alcohol (Leviticus 10:9; Numbers 6:3; Deuteronomy 29:6; Judges 13:4,7,14; 1 Samuel 1:15; Proverbs 20:1; 31:4,6; Isaiah 5:11,22; 24:9; 28:7; 29:9; 56:12; Micah 2:11; Luke 1:15). However, Scripture does not necessarily forbid a Christian from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. In fact, some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs “drink wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:11 encourages “yes, come buy wine and milk…”

What God commands Christians regarding alcohol is to avoid drunkenness (Ephesians 5:18). The Bible condemns drunkenness and its effects (Proverbs 23:29-35). Christians are also commanded to not allow their bodies to be “mastered” by anything (1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Drinking alcohol in excess is undeniably addictive. Scripture also forbids a Christian from doing anything that might offend other Christians or might encourage them to sin against their conscience (1 Corinthians 8:9-13). In light of these principles, it would be extremely difficult for any Christian to say he is drinking alcohol to the glory of God (1 Corinthians 10:31).

Jesus changed water into wine. It even seems that Jesus drank wine on occasion (John 2:1-11; Matthew 26:29). In New Testament times, the water was not very clean. Without modern sanitation efforts, the water was often filled with bacteria, viruses, and all kinds of contaminants. The same is true in many third-world countries today. As a result, people often drank wine (or grape juice) because it was far less likely to be contaminated. In 1 Timothy 5:23, Paul was instructing Timothy to stop drinking the water (which was probably causing his stomach problems) and instead drink wine. In that day, wine was fermented (containing alcohol), but necessarily not to the degree it is today. It is incorrect to say that it was grape juice, but it is also incorrect to say that it was the same thing as the wine commonly used today. Again, Scripture does not necessarily forbid Christians from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. Alcohol is not, in and of itself, tainted by sin. It is, rather, drunkenness and addiction to alcohol that a Christian must absolutely refrain from (Ephesians 5:18; 1 Corinthians 6:12).

Alcohol, consumed in small quantities, is neither harmful or addictive. In fact, some doctors advocate drinking small amounts of red wine for its health benefits, especially for the heart. Consumption of small quantities of alcohol is a matter of Christian freedom. Drunkenness and addiction are sin. However, due to the Biblical concerns regarding alcohol and its effects, due to the easy temptation to over-consumption of alcohol, and due to the possibility of causing offense and/or stumbling of others – it is usually best for a Christian to abstain entirely from drinking alcohol.

What does the Bible say about drinking alcohol / wine? Is it a sin for a Christian to drink alcohol / wine?

It says as long as you drink moderation is okay.

**Liebling:-)))** · 01-23-2008, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GarnetTigerMom

I don't see how drinking wine or beer or other thing drink is a sin. I am sure jesus drank some wine but I wouldn't call it a sin. what brough this up? curious.

Heat debated at several threads in the past over alcohol. They made negative posts over alcohol and think it leads addictive which is not true. It's person itself who abuse the alcohol, not alchol itself. Some religions beleivers do not beleive that Jesus drank an alcohol but fruit. They do not see that Jesus drank an alcohol because Jesus is not sin.

**Kalista** · 01-23-2008, 05:55 AM

I do not think, it is sinner. I enjoy to drink the wine with a dinner with friends and family.

GalaxyAngel · 01-23-2008, 09:01 AM

Jesus Christ drank wine..

Wine isn't sin..

Different story other kind of booze.. I do not know discuss about this one..
I do not want debate about it here..
Just throw simple one thingy!
au revoiur!

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Liebling:-))) Sussi 7.7.86 - 18.6.09 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 31,038	Is Drinking Alcohol A Sin? Is Drinking Alcohol A Sin? Fact: Jesus Christ never sinned, never: "For we have not an High Priest [see also High Priest to King of The World] which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 4:15 KJV) Fact: The first recorded miracle of Jesus Christ was changing water into wine, for people to drink: "And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now. This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth His glory; and His disciples believed on Him" (John 2:10-11 KJV) Fact: Jesus Christ drank wine, not only at the Passover observance every year (and, as He said, will do again in the future after His return), but at other times as well, as stated in the Scriptures: "And He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is My blood of the New Testament [see also Covenant and Testament], which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's Kingdom" (Matthew 26:27-29 KJV) [see also "Thy Kingdom Come" - When?] "The Son of man is come eating and drinking" (Luke 7:34 KJV) Question: Jesus Christ never sinned, but moderately drank wine, even miraculously produced wine for others to consume on one occasion. How then can drinking alcohol be a sin? When Is It A Sin? When Isn't It A Sin? Some people choose to totally abstain from alcohol, and the Scriptures don't say that they should start. Some other people should totally abstain from alcohol, or remain totally abstinent from alcohol, because the Scriptures make plain why excessive alcohol consumption (i.e. "alcoholism") is very damaging, not just for the individual who can't control their behavior, but for their families and society as a whole who are hurt by them. Still other people do drink, very moderately, and the Scriptures say that it's not wrong. There is no one answer to the question "Is drinking alcohol a sin?" - for some people, in some ways, it is a sin, for others, in other ways, it's not a sin. John the Baptist did not drink alcohol; Jesus Christ did drink alcohol in moderation (as explained further below, getting drunk is a sin, but Jesus Christ never sinned - therefore Jesus drank, but never got drunk) - and both were criticized for it, either way: "For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil. The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!" (Luke 7:33-34 KJV) Those who use the term "demon alcohol," or terms like it, may wish to reconsider how they express it when it comes to Christianity. Jesus Christ did consume alcohol, but was absolutely spiritually pure - He warned about blaspheming the Holy Spirit in any way: "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come" (Matthew 12:32 KJV) Alcohol consumption becomes a sin when it corrupts righteous thought or behavior, harms health, or violates any civil law: "Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? They that tarry long at the wine" (Proverbs 23:29-30 KJV) "Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh: For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty" (Proverbs 23:20-21 KJV) "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess" (Ephesians 5:18 KJV) "Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying." (Romans 13:13 KJV) Fact Finder: Jesus Christ plainly stated that He will drink wine, at the very least for Passover (which will still be observed in the future) i.e. "But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's Kingdom." (Matthew 26:29 KJV). Do the Scriptures also say that drunkards will be among those who will not be in the Kingdom of God? 1 Corinthians 6:10 Daily Bible Study - Is Drinking Alcohol A Sin? What do you think of this? Christians claimed that Jesus drink juice, not wine. I know for a long time that Jesus drank red wine. __________________

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05-15-2007, 08:20 AM	#6 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) Sussi 7.7.86 - 18.6.09 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 31,038	Egyptian Wine Egyptian wine has an extensive history within Egyptian civilization. Grapes were not native to the landscape of Egypt, rather the vines themselves are hypothesized to have been imported from the Phoenicians, though the actual origins remain in dispute. What is known, is that by the third millennium BC, Egyptian kings of the first dynasty had expansive wine cellars, and wine was used extensively in the temple ceremonies. The main consumption of wine in Egypt took place between the king, nobles, and the priests in temple ceremonies, and is evidenced by numerous painted relief's, and other archeological evidence. The vineyards of ancient Egypt were quite different from the modern methods of wine making today. As viticulture (or wine making), ceased to serve an exclusively ceremonial purpose, the Egyptians began to experiment with simple structures for their vines to train on, as well as found a way to train their vines so they were easy low maintenance bushes, and found ways for the soil to retain more moisture for the vines. Egyptian wine making experiments included the use of different wine presses, adding heat to the must (the grape juice ready for fermentation) in order to make the wine sweet, and differences in vat types and materials. The finished product was poured through a cloth filter, and then into earthenware jars, where they would be sealed with natural tar and left to ferment. The Egyptians kept accurate records of their vintages, and the quality of their wines, each jar of wine was clearly labeled with it's own vintage and quality. The search for the recipes and wine types of the Egyptians have yielded mixed results within the delta region of the Nile. Due to the climatic changes since the time of ancient Egypt, quests for the right vine, the right mixture of materials, and other factors, have left the modern renditions of ancient Egyptian wine with something to be desired. Nestor Gianaclis, set out in 1903 to find the mixtures of Egyptian wine, as well as the necessary growing conditions, to create wine which tasted the same as the primordial counterparts of ancient Egypt. Nestor searched out areas throughout Egypt, looking for the right type of soil, moisture, and grape which could grow a wine worthy vine. With the aid of Egyptian ministries, seventy three conventional grape types were tried in addition to Nestor's twenty he himself had bred. Once the ideal soil type was found (similar to the soil of Champagne, France), it was not until 1931 that the first modern rendition of ancient Egyptian wine was produced. This rendition of the ancient wine continues to be made in the present day, however, many wine connoisseurs consider it of poor taste. Regardless, the taste of the ancients is still present 3,500 years later. Egyptian wine making __________________

05-15-2007, 10:56 AM	#8 (permalink)
christlovedeaf Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: toledo,ohio Posts: 1,868	We have discussed that about the wine on other thread, I think was last fall by Netrox. When Jesus turn water into wine, not meaning alcohol at first. But since been out in the sun thru the day, you know what wine becomes. When people got drunk, Jesus said, get rid of it. No, it's nothing wrong with drinking wine. Jesus uses wine at Last Supper not always meaning alcohol in them. Getting drunk is a sin, but drink wine is not. And have you heard non-alcohol wine, even looks like bottle of wine? Similar with Jesus. I know as today language uses as juice, but in old days, call it wine, not always mean alcohol. __________________ I can only imagine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV9jiqS-74g

05-15-2007, 11:45 AM	#9 (permalink)
Dixie May I be found in Him Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 13,266	I personally think that the occassional stiff drink is good but when you are out getting hammered from Friday night through Sunday afternoon, thats when you run into trouble. For one too much alcohol pretty much kills your liver, but in moderate consumption it is good for your heart. In France, people normally drink a glass of wine a day, usually at dinner time. In know people here who are good Christians and believe the Bible through and through that also sit down to their evening meal and have a glass of wine with it. When I have a barbecue I typically have 2 or 3 beers for the night, and if I am celebrating something, I will have more of the hard stuff such as tequila, rum, and vodka. But all of it in moderate consumption. If I am starting to get tipsy, I usually stop right there. but however, I can sympathize with the drunk. I have been down that road as well. Shortly after my divorce and the loss of my house, I sank into a deep depression and I started drinking heavily, and for some weeks it was daily. On weekends I was a total loss, I would easilly consume 2 bottles of wine, half a bottle of tequila, then finish off with vodka or Jaegermeister all in one night. For my 22nd birthday I took 17 shots of tequila before passing out in my attempt for 22 shots. Am I boasting of my ability to hold my liquor, no. But I will say this, there are times I have blacked out for eight hours straight with no recollection of what I was doing, and I was running on autopilot. There are times I did some absolutely stupid stunts that if I were caught, could have easily landed me in jail and furthermore, could have led to the loss of my DD. But God started gnawing at me, started telling me if I dont get my shit together that I am going to be in for a very rough life. There are some funny moments to remember but in the end drunkenness can cause stupidity. Now that I have 'grown up' - I understand that everything is best in moderation. There are times I am tempted to drink more than I should, but I also know that if I do, I could end up putting myself or others in danger. But at the same time, I think God allowed me to go through that period in my life so I could better understand the drunk and where they are coming from. Alcohol and sex are the same thing - if they are used correctly, you have Gods blessing in doing so. __________________ Oh, you will. It is all a dream and since matter cannot be created nor destroyed, the dreams must be real in all their myriad forms. -Beowulf This Delicate Thing God Has Made *The world is measured in peasants; smaller than a unicorn but, bigger than a tidbit!*

01-22-2008, 06:15 PM	#10 (permalink)
Askjo Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 722	The two kinds of wine are grapefruit and alcohol. When Jesus drank the wine, it is grapefruit, not alcohol. The wine (alcohol), strong drink is wrong and sin.

01-22-2008, 06:58 PM	#11 (permalink)
Hwy99 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: A town in middle of the rolling hills Posts: 6,141	I have no problem with the alcohol as long as people drink it moderately, just like some ADers here said.

01-22-2008, 07:48 PM	#13 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,140	Jesus is God and He never sinned. Many people like to use this alcohol question to promote the belief that Jesus was just a sinning man and not God. It's an old ploy. Ask the Pharisees if it worked for them. Neither the "wine" nor bread of the Passover meal or Last Supper was fermented. Fermentation is a symbol of the contamination and spread of sin. That's why fermentation (leaven) was eliminated from the elements of the Last Supper. The drinking of fermented alcoholic beverages by born again Christians is a sin. Drinking alcohol will not send anyone to hell. Who knows for sure how much "moderate" drinking is? It's not the same for every person under all circumstances. Why play with fire? Is it worth a DUI ticket or accident? Is it worth damage to the developing baby? Is it worth liver damage? Is it worth becoming an alcoholic? Is it worth doing something that you'll later regret? Any chemical that impairs the mental process that is taken for non-medicinal reasons is a sin. That includes alcohol, prescription drugs, cleaning products, paint, and illegal street drugs. Yes, we have debated this topic much in previous threads. No wasting time when the gates opened again, eh? __________________ Tell us the truth about Benghazi!

01-22-2008, 07:50 PM	#14 (permalink)
lumbingmi Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4,460	Beer and weed are gifts from God. It is stupid if we allow these gifts to be wasted. Drinking itself is not problem but the problems are being caused by person's behavior.

01-22-2008, 07:51 PM	#16 (permalink)
omegaman Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Remember what the doorknob said... Posts: 1,376	Apparently a glass of red wine is good for you because it has antioxidants; same as dark chocolate. I don't think drinking alcohol is a sin, but it can make you commit sins. Woah Dixie, you sure can drink.. But, I am glad to know you now realise how too much alcohol can affect you, and have decided not to go down the self-destruction path. __________________

01-22-2008, 09:09 PM	#21 (permalink)
Aleser Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 965	Well, from my own perspective, any alcohol is never okay, ever. This goes all the way down to buying alcohol free vanilla for baking, ect. Most practising Muslims I know are also equally strict about avoiding it. From a Christian perspective, though, the Bible tells Christians that your body is a temple- one in which was purchased at great cost, and as such, it deserves nothing short of honor and respect. Alcohol offers no benefits that cannot be found in other foods, and poses health / mental state risks- that's not respecting your body. Drinking has just become a -socially acceptable- way to abuse your body. What if someone said they use meth just once in a while? Or if someone said that they only cut themselves on occassion? Doing something harmful -less often- doesn't negate the fact that you're harming yourself. __________________ "She thinks... she can make people do what she wants or needs, what is right, by the sheer force of her own talent, not by forcing them... she can teach them and persuade them... that they'll catch it from her. This is still faith in their rationality, in the omnipotence of reason. The mistake? Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them."

01-22-2008, 09:12 PM	#22 (permalink)
GarnetTigerMom Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 4,958	I don't see how drinking wine or beer or other thing drink is a sin. I am sure jesus drank some wine but I wouldn't call it a sin. what brough this up? curious. __________________ GarnetTigerMom "The rain may be falling hard outside, But your smile makes it all alright. I'm so glad that you're my friend. I know our friendship will never end." -- Robert Alan

01-22-2008, 09:16 PM	#23 (permalink)
Texan Guy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 2,550	IT IS SIN!!!!!!! drinking the irish whiskey __________________

01-23-2008, 05:55 AM	#29 (permalink)
Kalista Premium Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 8,112	I do not think, it is sinner. I enjoy to drink the wine with a dinner with friends and family.

01-23-2008, 09:01 AM	#30 (permalink)
GalaxyAngel Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Alberta,Canada Posts: 13,626	Jesus Christ drank wine.. Wine isn't sin.. Different story other kind of booze.. I do not know discuss about this one.. I do not want debate about it here.. Just throw simple one thingy! au revoiur! __________________ Parent's proud our children.

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