DreamDeaf

After reviewing whole threads that had bad reports, I have come to the conclusion:

It is almost impossible to please everyone, in fact, near right plain ol' impossible.

At the beginning, when The Great Alex created AllDeaf, it was good.

Then AllDeaf bit into the forbidden fruit.

The Great Alex found out, and was not pleased.

He then cast AllDeaf out into the world, and told it to go forth into the wilderness.

He told it to multiply, and multiply it did.

The Great Alex told AllDeaf that it must worship him as the Great Administrator, and only him.

The Great Alex chose four people to be his disciplines, and do the moderating in AllDeaf.

I could go on and on about this, but I think you're getting my drift.

The main point is here - we could all argue on and on about salient points that we feel most strongly about, but there will always be disagreements and differing opinions on many points.

The basic rule here is to - respect each other's opinion, point of view and comment. You may or may not agree with them, but you cannot disrespect them for that. So far, I have seen many accusations of bashings - and it has taken me almost all morning to read the whole threads where the reports came from. This wasn't easy at all, and you may have noticed that I have left those alone.

I am here to point out one simple fact - that there was no bashing done at all - it was just a very different point of view from someone, that someone took offense at and felt that he/she was being bashed on. I am now saying, it's time to cease and desist that now.

EVERYONE has the right to post his/her own opinion, point of view or comment based on what they believe - and everyone has the right to say the opposite of that person's way of thinking. No one has the right to abuse that person - period.

Next time I see that happen again, I will give an infraction. And I know the moderators will stand by me on that.

thank you.
DreamDeaf

This is being posted in two forums - General Chat and Christianity.

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Cheri

puyopiyo and Pacman assume me of bashing onto them when I did not, And no moderators remove these two posts. If nobody has the right to abuse that person then why are those two posts still remaining in that thread? And another thing some had made assumptions that I made one thread locked because of my bashing. When it was everyone in that thread did their share of attacking onto each others, But no they just want to blame it on me or the Christians, If you can tell on the last page of that locked thread one poster blamed the going off topic on the Christians. Enough is enough something needs to be done.


http://www.alldeaf.com/christianity-...tml#post773543

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TFWFalcon

DreamDeaf. You cannot edit their English problem and remove their threads. I have see some are dishonest, bashing and several more than one user names. I agree with this need to be more respect and good harmony.

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guido

Do you realize you just opened up the proverbial can of worms, DD? Everyone on here is a victim, or at least they'd like to think they are.

Simple solution? Close this forum. It was a bad idea to begin with. Anytime you allow Religious/Political discussion, emotion is going to overtake reason.

Just my $.02.

Tousi

Nah, I say, ".....try, try, try again...", not ",.....cry, cry, cry again.....". So just leave things as they are and maybe someday......someday....

I know moderating for the thankless job it is so hang in there.

christlovedeaf

hhe, now that, I agree. D D is doing and also R R is doing everyway to see what went wrong. Yes, as for moderators, we should be thankful for.

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Angel

Here an advice: If anyone feels they're being attacked, bashed upon, etc, then you can always add that member on your ignore list, that what I do, it's more peaceful that way ,

but anyhow, :polishing my halo:....I'll try my hardest to be good little girl in here..

Liebling:-)))

I would like to share my POV.

I beleive the debate threads are good education for us to collect and exchange our experiences as long as we use our common sense and open minded with no insult and bash accord AD rules.

I see the problem is some beleivers cannot accept when we see different as them what we thought about God etc but offense, angry, upset, harrassing etc.. I find the people who are opinionate, make interesting and good point debates but the problem is others cannot accept and see their post as offense, bash, etc which is not. It would be different story if the people label others with bad names. Mainly worst is a person pasted my post from religion thread over Current Event thread to bash me and then again label me with names which is not acceptance, that is because she/he is still angry with my view over God from religion thread when I was in Current Event thread with different subject.

I really have no problem to have anyone to agree and disagree with me as long as we stick AD rules but the problem is the people cannot accept our view and claim that our post are offense, bully, etc. The problem is they cannot understand what the debates is about.

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SxyPorkie

Cheri... i did not see you bashing as other two had accused you...wow... whenever things gets heated up.. i just leave and go to other threads...i had not been in here for white couple months...

OFC you got angry at me for nb\ot believe in Bibles.... but you did not bash at me...

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Tousi

DreamDeaf said: "I am here to point out one simple fact - that there was no bashing done at all - it was just a very different point of view from someone, that someone took offense at and felt that he/she was being bashed on. I am now saying, it's time to cease and desist that now."

Ok, DD, I need help: As you say, there WAS NO bashing done at all but that someone thought thhe/she was bashed.

I take it you mean that the one(s) who thought he/she were bashed are the ones who have to desist that now, right?

If that's correct, I commend you for pointing that out because I don't think anyone has seen it from that point of view before. Thanks....

Defee

Well, i thought the moderators were doing good job by
taking care of situations that gets out of hand and
closing the threads that do get waaaay out of hand, lol!

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xentar

This is something everyone needs to read again.

I'm not here to tell what the mods are supposed to do, nor am I trying to start any trouble. I'm very well aware of the rules of alldeaf, the history of alldeaf, and what it takes to get banned here as well.

Now the reason why I quoted that part of DreamDeaf's post is because people needs to remember that I may do a lot of bashing..... of people's viewpoints. The moment I start bashing the person "you're stupid. you're a retard. etc" then I'm just asking for mods to come intervene and possibly ban me. I've lost count how many times people have claimed or accuses me of bashing the person. Just because I'm not nice where I say some colorful phrases and I attack the points made by the person doesn't equal bashing the person itself.

If I respect the poster's viewpoints but I'm not allowed to have my say, then this subforum shouldn't exist under the debate forum. Everyone needs to remind themselves that the moment you post your viewpoints in a debate subforum has to say this in their head: "I'm aware that any viewpoints I bring out may be dealt harshly and critically by an opposing viewer"

If anyone here has a problem with me, then I can only say "I'm sorry to hear that, I wish to cause you no harm". For the truth is, I don't have a problem with anyone else here..... just your viewpoints.

Dark-Half

This guy speaks in volumes. The pure and simple logic, the corstone of truth.

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shel90

I am a victim!!!!! *sobs*!


Honestly, I really don't care what people call me or insult me. I will simply respond telling them that yea, I am a bitch cuz of this or that without bashing back at the person. Usually, it works and I make peace with the other person. DD is right..not every is gonna agree on everything and we could argue until we are blue in the face. Just important to recognize when the argument becomes worthless and just let it go.

I have never thought of reporting anyone to the mods to anyone who has insulted me cuz it is not worth bothering them for silly things like that. If there was someone there constantly attacking me on every post I made then maybe I would send a FYI.

I agree with Xentar...there is a difference between insulting people's point of views and insulting people themselves.

Nobody is perfect but as long as we acknowledge our flaws or wrongdoings, then it is all good.

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Roadrunner

Points have been made, the good and the bad--however, besides the insults/bashings, disagreeing with another's viewpoints, etc., something else that wasn't made evident that seemingly is popping up here and there throughout some threads...the acts of enticing or to cause conflicting viewpoints to clash, even to the point of showing intimidation as well as doing so in a mockingly manner. Such manner or way of posting is very much to be frowned upon here in AD, it sure doesn't help maintain the overall respect that is expected from members and future members. Even in posts or threads that later point out that such post/thread was a harmless joke to begin with, however, the first few posts following that one post/thread will be posted/commented in a different way whereas such approach may have been viewed seriously or considered worthy to debate over...that in itself is a form of enticing and/or manipulating others to 'jump on a bandwagon' with no idea of the real intention(s) behind the original post/thread. More of these types of posts/threads are showing up...they'll be closed/locked up, with no questions asked.




~RR

halford

Nay, I wouldn't want to close this special section... It wasnt a bad idea but its good for all of us to learn.

Advice: if you cannot stand the heat in the kitchen, stay out...

Yet be respectful and tactful. If you can't, then stay out or watch us in action. I have done this in other hearing forum and enjoyed it tremedously. It is not surprisingly that ALLDeaf religion forum has the same problem as it did in other hearing forums. Its normal everywhere and moderators continue to moditor and give out warnings to those who were tactless and being disrespectful. this thread teaches us how to use self-control which is a very good attribute to have.

I disagreee with so many of you but thats your life, opinion, and most of all your problem.... I don't make your problems mine... I let it be.. I hope you can do the same to me. Don't let my problem be yours.

Liebling:-)))

I agree with Xentar about the difference between people's point of views and people themselves.

It´s insulting, belittling and offense when you say something direct to a person (you are stupid, no knowledge, pathetic, bully, hater, horrible, bad, liar, etc.)

It´s not insulting and offense when you say something against their point of views but debate with agree to disagree OR make your own post without quote anyone to rant/express your feeling. Its also not insulting and offense, when the people express their feeling against Germany, Roman Catholic, Anogistic, etc. etc. because they do not label me directly but express themselves what they feeling and think about anything. It´s good to know what they think of... I have no problem with that.

I still cannot understand why some good and interesting debate threads are being lock, that´s because the people feeling being bashed or insult by their POV. Sometimes they make sense of humor in debate threads, it could make me laugh... but the people see different and feeling being bashed and offense... If the people can´t handle how to debate but keep on offense, angry, annoy etc then this debate is not right for them.

Look at me, I debated at many CI threads in the past. I decided to quit myself because I know myself that it doesn´t work to debate with them but keep repeat, repeat, repeat that´s why I know the CI debate is not right for me and leave CI threads alone and visit any threads, I choose and feel comfortable and enjoy to debate with.

I beleive the debate to exchange/collect experiences are good education for us.

I talked one of Moderators via PM about my view and feeling etc. I´m very surprise that he/she do not reply my PM. I say no more further.

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EagleCherokee63

I read it all that Cheri didn't do wrong nothing. Most time someone bashing and insulted on me when I shared to everyone about Jesus Christ the Saviour. I noticed that Reba, Maria and Christ... or me other who Christians never bashing on who anyone not believed God. That's why It not us toward to Jesus Christ. God's eye counting it. If they insulted or bashing then I will not share and open share my heart. I will sure jump out other new posts. DUDE!! That's why I almost quit here because someone insulted me dumbest. I said Praise the Lord because my Spirit is WISDOM more than everything or education. I do my best good grammar since I am stronger ASL. I do best everything when I can and be patient myself. I understand everyone are different individual and different background. Reason, I don't want see anyone go to hell. God called me go Gospel Deaf World for Jesus Christ the Saviour. Guess what! I been suffered many deaf people insulted and turned me down since 17 yrs. How image that! Sometimes I cried out because I am broke my heart for people who not believed God. God gave me stronger what ever matter or happens. I got information a letter from someone send a letter. I sad that deaf millions are lost and only 20 percent who believed with Jesus Christ the Saviour. I pray for you and all who are lost. John 3:16 God love you all the world!

Liebling:-)))

Do I understand your statement correctly that you and Christians NEVER bash and insult ADers in Religion threads?

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Cheri

Labeling Christians looney, mental disorder, bible thumpers are offensive words, and it has been uses in this forum.

But, some of you kept saying we the Christians refused to face the logic, It's the same way applies to some of you about Faith. Everyone has done their share of taking posts personal, Don't say you haven't because you have, so have I so have anyone else in here, does that mean we are not right to fit in a debate? No, It means that we have to be more careful on how we wording out our words when replying to a post.

Remember what DreamDeaf stated: everyone has the right to say the opposite of that person's way of thinking. No one has the right to abuse that person - period.

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Liebling:-)))

[quote]If they quote your post to label direct YOU like this as person is YES...

If they express/rant their feeling to name the Religion without quote your post directly is NO... because it´s belief, they label to, not you as person.

Well as long as they are not angry, upset, offence, harrassment becasue we have different POV... Example: a person stated that he/she don´t beleive in God, OT & NT etc, a beleiver take a person´s post serious and harrass her because of this is not right debate. A beleiver should ask a person "why?" then a person would be more glad to answer beleiver´s question, then a believer could agree/disagree against their POV or whatever is right debate. I can agree to disagree against your POV, not you as person... What is debate for . What I say in debate threads about logic and reality is not bash/insult... Right? Yes I said that Christians can´t see the logic in debate threads is also not bash/insult as well... Right? If Christians or any believers continue with their debate to agree to disagree against our POV is no problem as long as there´re no bash/insult/offense/angry, etc. Right?

Again, as long as the people should not take debate posts serious. We accept the fact that each person have different POV as long as we agree to debate each other against our POV in respectfully way instead of angry, upset, offense, etc.

I would not upset if anyone label the name of religion negatively in their own post without quote anyone directly because I know it´s belief they negative to, not me as person. If they quote my post to negative me as person is an abuse etc. Right?

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mecooncat

I'm not sure if any of you around the world have religious laws--

USA-U.S CONSTITUTION - BILL OF RIGHTS:

Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Religious tolerance" is one of many religious terms that have multiple, conflicting meanings:

To many religious conservatives, a religiously tolerant person must accept the concept of pluralism -- that all religions are equally true. Most find this totally objectionable.

To most religious moderates, religious liberals and secularists, a religiously tolerant person simply allows others to pursue their own religious beliefs and practices freely, without discrimination or oppression. This includes the freedom to change one's own religion, to assemble with other believers, and to proselytize others. Most find this a badly needed addition to culture.

Unfortunately, the concept "actions which harm people" is not well defined. It leads to a question whether it is acceptable, and even preferable, to harm a few individuals in order to avoid a larger harm to the society as a whole.

Religious tolerance does not require you to accept other religions as true.

Religious tolerance does not mean that you cannot compare one religion with another, or compare religion with a secular belief system, or analyze the scientific claims of a religion.

Religious tolerance does not necessarily mean religious indifference.

CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS:

Section 1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

Section 2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
--freedom of conscience and religion;
--freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
--freedom of peaceful assembly; and
--freedom of association.

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FRENCH HUMAN RIGHTS DECLARATION "Droits de L'homme":

Article 18: Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
Article 19: Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers..

CONSTITUTION OF BRAZIL, 1946:

Freedom of conscience and belief is inviolable, and the free exercise of religious sects is assured, as long as they are not contrary to public order or good morals. Religious associations shall acquire juridical personality according to civil law. No one shall be deprived of these rights by reason of religious, philosophic, or political convictions.

CONSTITUTION OF AUSTRALIA:

The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

CONSTITUTION OF GREECE:

Article 13, Phrase 2 of the Greek Constitution guarantees the freedom to practice religion, but does not allow individuals to attempt to convert others' religious beliefs.

"There shall be freedom to practice any known religion; individuals shall be free to perform their rites of worship without hindrance and under the protection of the law. The performance of rites of worship must not prejudice public order or public morals. Proselytism is prohibited."

The prohibition of proselytism is reinforced by Section 4 of Greek Law No.1363/38, as amended by Law No. 1672/39. It states:

1. Anyone engaging in proselytism shall be liable to imprisonment and a fine of between 1,000 and 50,000 drachmas; he shall, moreover, be subject to police supervision for a period of between six months and one year to be fixed by the court when convicting the offender.
2. By ‘proselytism’ is meant, in particular, any direct or indirect attempt to intrude on the religious beliefs of a person of a different religious persuasion (eterodoxos), with the aim of undermining those beliefs, either by any kind of inducement or promise of an inducement or moral support or material assistance, or by fraudulent means or by taking advantage of the other person’s inexperience, trust, need, low intellect or naivete.
3. The commission of such an offence in a school or other educational establishment or philanthropic institution shall constitute a particularly aggravating circumstance."

1,000 drachmas is worth about $3.50 US; 50,000 drachmas is worth about $175.

INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON CIVIL AND POLITICAL RIGHTS

Selected references related to religious freedom:
Article 2.1 Each State Party to the present Covenant undertakes to respect and to ensure to all individuals within its territory and subject to its jurisdiction the rights recognized in the present Covenant, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.

Article 4.1 In time of public emergency which threatens the life of the nation and the existence of which is officially proclaimed, the States Parties to the present Covenant may take measures derogating from their obligations under the present Covenant to the extent strictly required by the exigencies of the situation, provided that such measures are not inconsistent with their other obligations under international law and do not involve discrimination solely on the ground of race, colour, sex, language, religion or social origin.

Article 18.1 Everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right shall include freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice, and freedom, either individually or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in worship, observance, practice and teaching.

Article 18.2 No one shall be subject to coercion which would impair his freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice.

Article 18.3 Article 18.3 Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs may be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary to protect public safety, order, health, or morals or the fundamental rights and freedoms of others.

Article 18.4 The States Parties to the present Covenant undertake to have respect for the liberty of parents and, when applicable, legal guardians to ensure the religious and moral education of their children in conformity with their own convictions.

Article 20.2 Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.

Article 26 All persons are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to the equal protection of the law. In this respect, the law shall prohibit any discrimination and guarantee to all persons equal and effective protection against discrimination on any ground such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or