Old Testament vs New Testament - Page 7

Hwy99 · 05-08-2007, 10:31 PM

[QUOTE=Liebling:-)));771212]

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Yes, it's the problem is the authors of different beliefs interpret verus/scriptures from their bibles differently and choose which beliefs they want to believe in and against each other what they think their bibles are right and other bibles are wrong. That's why I doesn't involve but accept to read ANY bibles from different Religion believers.

The worst is the people including beleivers and unbelievers have trouble to understand the Old Testement because of description over God as a cruel God rather than a loving, caring, God like in the New Testament.

Yes I second that. The people should to open their mind bit and see the logic. That's why I withdraw and accept and read ALL bibles as history and listen their views then I can agree or disagree only if I has a knowledge and logic...

Well I see nothing wrong when anyone focus any bibles and exchange/collect the people's view on this then we can agree to disagree with them. If the people refuse to read my links but their own links or bible then is their ignorant and closed minded. I accept to read the links where the people provide to and say something why I am agree or disgree to.

Did you know the story about Sodom and Gomorrah? God killed the people because their homosexuaility are sin.

Everyone entitled their POV and can agree to disagree if they want to. We accept what the bibles say and can make theory ourselves after see the logic between the bible and reality. I do not stick only bible but any bibles from different beleifs.

What you choose which belief, you feel like to and feel comfortable is great...

I am with you everything! Except about the homosexuality.

At first, who are Sodom and Gomorrah?

Sodom and Gomorrah are prostitute, living in the house of prostitute. They only become homosexuality just for sex. That is why God kill them.

I am so glad that I studied about Buddhism's view of homosexuality.

Buddhism believes that if people became gay/lesbo/bi for love, then that's good. If they only become gay/lesbo/bi for money, sex, lust, etc. then that's so wrong. Simple.

**Maria** · 05-09-2007, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

To me, God and Jesus are different persons in Old Testament and New Testament. Accord Old Testament is about God and at New Testament is about Jesus. The description between God and Jesus are different. God judge and punish the people and Jesus taught the people about love and forgive.

Well, to me God and Jesus are in One and same Person. Ok, I will give you a picture of somethin' here. You have physical body, right ? And, you have a soul inside your physical body, right ? You have 2 bodies -- one is physical body and one is " soul " body, but you will ALWAYS be the SAME person as Lieblin'. When you die, your soul will leave your " physical " body. You will be able to see your " dead " body in front of you when you leave your body.

Same with God. God left Heaven spiritually, not physically. He went in Mary's womb and Mary became conceived. God was born and became physical ( flesh ) body. He wanted people to meet their true Maker ( God ) in real life. And, God's name was changed to Jesus Christ ( Immanuel ) which was means " God with us " -- the reason, Immanuel was given is because, people CAN'T see God spiritually, but God was INSIDE Jesus Christ's body so people CAN see Him.
When Jesus left this earth to return Heaven, He was back to Spirit again.

**Liebling:-)))** · 05-09-2007, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by christlovedeaf

As I know that God love everyone no matter what. All what I see Christians' view that God hate sinners and send them to hell. It makes no sense to me either. That is not correct. God loves sinners, but hate sin. These are two separate part. Jesus died for ALL sinners and paid off our sin debt in full. Like Paul said, unbelievers think the message of the cross doesn't make sense and thinking it is foolish.

See my response post to Maria

Old Testament vs New Testament

**Liebling:-)))** · 05-09-2007, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Defee

I understand where u coming from, Liebling, but you are missing
the whole point here, what im saying is, Have you ever actually
use the gun/rifle like going hunting? I have, gone hunting with
my husband several times, he has taught me how to use the
rifle, i have shot the squirrels, deer, etc...so the point is: HAVE
YOU EVER USE THE GUN OR RIFLE YOURSELF?

Yes I know you are trying to say. Here is my answer is No.

No, I refused to touch and experience with gun.

I would feel murder if I shot cute faces.

Look at cute faces...

I'm too weak and soft when I see cute faces...

You must be brave, Defee.

**Liebling:-)))** · 05-09-2007, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

I am with you everything! Except about the homosexuality.

At first, who are Sodom and Gomorrah?

Sodom and Gomorrah are prostitute, living in the house of prostitute. They only become homosexuality just for sex. That is why God kill them.

I am so glad that I studied about Buddhism's view of homosexuality.

Buddhism believes that if people became gay/lesbo/bi for love, then that's good. If they only become gay/lesbo/bi for money, sex, lust, etc. then that's so wrong. Simple.

This view of different beliefs over Sodom and Gomorrah

Sodom and Gomorrah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It says that God killed their sin which is a confusing. To me, God killed sinner, not just sin because God kill a person who commit a sin = sinner. If God love sinner then kill their sin itself, not person. Right?

I really don't care either the people who decides to sell their bodies for money, lust etc (female and male prostitues or homosexuality) because it's their business, not mine. I am not saying that they are wrong or right but their decision because they are adult and know what right or wrong.

Hwy99 · 05-09-2007, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

This view of different beliefs over Sodom and Gomorrah

Sodom and Gomorrah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It says that God killed their sin which is a confusing. To me, God killed sinner, not just sin because God kill a person who commit a sin = sinner. If God love sinner then kill their sin itself, not person. Right?

I really don't care either the people who decides to sell their bodies for money, lust etc (female and male prostitues or homosexuality) because it's their business, not mine. I am not saying that they are wrong or right but their decision because they are adult and know what right or wrong.

Confusing, and I am follow something right. Oddly ne?

**Liebling:-)))** · 05-09-2007, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Confusing, and I am follow something right. Oddly ne?

Do you mean link?

Yeah, this is their beliefs what they beleive in differently.

Hwy99 · 05-09-2007, 04:41 AM

Yupp I mean the link.

Arahamic Religions- No

Judaism- Depends

Christianity- No

Islam- No

Dharmic Religions- No

Hinduism- No

Buddhism- Yes

Sikhism- No

Jainism- No

Taoic Religions- No

Confucianism- Yes

Taoism- Yes (but considered as illness)

Paganism- Yes

Neopagan religion- Yes

Religion and homosexuality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BIG OF CHAOS.

Rocky92620 · 05-09-2007, 06:51 AM

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//Bro Ormond

05-09-2007, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Yes I know you are trying to say. Here is my answer is No.

No, I refused to touch and experience with gun.

I would feel murder if I shot cute faces.

Look at cute faces...

I'm too weak and soft when I see cute faces...

You must be brave, Defee.

Oh, ok i understand your feelings about animals but what are you going
to do if the world go into total chaos? Thats why my husband and I
decided to prepare ourselves just to survive/protect. We have to eat, right? we will hunt to eat, we cant worry about how cute deer, squirrels, geese,
etc, are. Sorry about that.
You are afraid to use weapons? What about your husband? Does he know
how to use weapons? If he doesnt, then how are you and your husband
going to protect your family?

**Foxrac** · 05-09-2007, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Defee

Oh, ok i understand your feelings about animals but what are you going
to do if the world go into total chaos? Thats why my husband and I
decided to prepare ourselves just to survive/protect. We have to eat, right? we will hunt to eat, we cant worry about how cute deer, squirrels, geese,
etc, are. Sorry about that.
You are afraid to use weapons? What about your husband? Does he know
how to use weapons? If he doesnt, then how are you and your husband
going to protect your family?

Remember, she's from Germany, that can be different culture from USA.

For me, I don't need guns, that looks pointless to me.

Also, I'm more side on UK.

Hwy99 · 05-09-2007, 08:18 AM

Defee, I am a vegetarian. I live someplace I have opporiunity to eat vegetable, have the vitmans, and have the acid, soy milk, everything. Now I feel like:

"What's my excuse to kill other living thing while I can eat other instead?"

If I am in a dessert in middle of nowhere, I only have the meat to eat, then I will. But I am not in that place. I am in the place that I can eat vegetables.

Proudly to be a vegetarian.

**Foxrac** · 05-09-2007, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Defee, I am a vegetarian. I live someplace I have opporiunity to eat vegetable, have the vitmans, and have the acid, soy milk, everything. Now I feel like:

"What's my excuse to kill other living thing while I can eat other instead?"

If I am in a dessert in middle of nowhere, I only have the meat to eat, then I will. But I am not in that place. I am in the place that I can eat vegetables.

Proudly to be a vegetarian.

You can bring alot of liquid to drink when you are in middle of dessert instead of eat meats.

**Liebling:-)))** · 05-09-2007, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Defee

Oh, ok i understand your feelings about animals but what are you going
to do if the world go into total chaos? Thats why my husband and I
decided to prepare ourselves just to survive/protect. We have to eat, right? we will hunt to eat, we cant worry about how cute deer, squirrels, geese,
etc, are. Sorry about that.
You are afraid to use weapons? What about your husband? Does he know
how to use weapons? If he doesnt, then how are you and your husband
going to protect your family?

I can do something without gun to survive/protect myself.

The butcher/farmer/hunter who shot the wild animals from the forest... A lot of Germans don't own guns to protect our families. We can do something to defend ourselves and our family without use guns. (steels, spray, woods, etc)

Yes, my hubby & I don't like gun.

**Liebling:-)))** · 05-09-2007, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pacman

You can bring alot of liquid to drink when you are in middle of dessert instead of eat meats.

Very true, you won't survive within few days without drink liquid. Drink liquid is important to keep survive longer than eat the foods.

**Liebling:-)))** · 05-09-2007, 08:39 AM

Interesting link between Old and New Testament

butthatstheoldtest

Hwy99 · 05-09-2007, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pacman

You can bring alot of liquid to drink when you are in middle of dessert instead of eat meats.

Agreed, but how can I find liquid from the desert?

Hwy99 · 05-09-2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Interesting link between Old and New Testament

butthatstheoldtest

Good point.

christlovedeaf · 05-09-2007, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

See my response post to Maria

Old Testament vs New Testament

I read that after I message POV. The problem is, people have no idea the deep meaning of sin. They focus just about behavior, action sin, but not behind it.

**Reba** · 05-09-2007, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Yes I know you are trying to say. Here is my answer is No.

No, I refused to touch and experience with gun.

I would feel murder if I shot cute faces.

Look at cute faces...

I'm too weak and soft when I see cute faces...

You must be brave, Defee.

Cows don't have cute faces? Is that why it's OK to kill and eat them?

It's OK to kill and eat ugly animals only?

BTW, hunters don't normally shoot animals in the face. (Unless you have a rhino charging at you.)

**Reba** · 05-09-2007, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I can do something without gun to survive/protect myself.

The butcher/farmer/hunter who shot the wild animals from the forest...

Like Defee said, if the whole world was in chaos. That means, no food stores, no butchers, no farmers to help you. Just your own family taking care of itself.

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...We can do something to defend ourselves and our family without use guns. (steels, spray, woods, etc)

Do you know how close someone has to be for you to stab or club them? Do you realize how much physical strength it requires to plunge a knife into a man's chest? If the other person has a gun, how will you stop him with a knife or club? How will you prevent someone from grabbing the club out of your hands? If it's windy, how do you prevent the spray from hitting your own eyes? What if a gang of several men attacks? Can you hit them all?

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Yes, my hubby & I don't like gun.

That's fine. No one is forcing you to get one. Just think about the above questions.

christlovedeaf · 05-09-2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Interesting link between Old and New Testament

butthatstheoldtest

Wow, no wonder people got soo confuse and think that make sense. Really, as I read, I said, Wow, certainly they are confuse. Lacking is this, God sees the danger. If you notice the different during Noah times to David. David to Esther/Malachi. What kind of people are they? The problem also they couldn't see is this. God is more like detection type, keep from "cancer" from spreading and destroy God's chosen. Till God became flesh, which is Jesus Christ experience human weaknesses and bored our sin upon Himself. I know, here is the repeating. Repeating? Many couldn't get the understanding, bec those who doesn't believe in christianity is the one been repeating, and christian trying to get the point, few off point as well as non christian. As how verses quoting, like my hand on my forehead and saying missing the point. Yes, extremist christians using judgemental attitude with fire and brimstones. What Jesus taught us is to bring people to Himself. Some of those verses is for christian to understand, that is not for non christian by telling them God punishes you for do those kind of sin. That is where there is lot of off balance in scriptures coming from.

halford · 05-09-2007, 09:59 AM

[QUOTE=PuyoPiyo;771602]

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I am with you everything! Except about the homosexuality.

At first, who are Sodom and Gomorrah?

Sodom and Gomorrah are prostitute, living in the house of prostitute. They only become homosexuality just for sex. That is why God kill them.

I am so glad that I studied about Buddhism's view of homosexuality.

Buddhism believes that if people became gay/lesbo/bi for love, then that's good. If they only become gay/lesbo/bi for money, sex, lust, etc. then that's so wrong. Simple.

ummmmm Sodom and Gomorrah were not names of two people. They were two of 10 cities in the plain, destroyed. Please be careful and do not twist the actual information from any source. Maybe Buddha told you this but now maybe it has been manifested that Buddhism isn't telling you the truth? Had you read that Lot lived in the city of Sodom, you would have not said Sodom was a prostitute. The Bible didnt say anything about prostitute but men wanted to rape two angels and didn't want Lot's two daughters. That is what the Bible said. FYI: it is found in Genesis 19:1-25 if you want to look it up. It is sometimes embarrassing to say something not truth in contrast to that actual information. Check before you say it. Just an advice.

halford · 05-09-2007, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rocky92620

Book of Mormon

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The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints

//Bro Ormond

Not interested in joining a cult. Plus this has nothing to do with this topic.

**Maria** · 05-09-2007, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Maria

Well, to me God and Jesus are in One and same Person. Ok, I will give you a picture of somethin' here. You have physical body, right ? And, you have a soul inside your physical body, right ? You have 2 bodies -- one is physical body and one is " soul " body, but you will ALWAYS be the SAME person as Lieblin'. When you die, your soul will leave your " physical " body. You will be able to see your " dead " body in front of you when you leave your body.

Same with God. God left Heaven spiritually, not physically. He went in Mary's womb and Mary became conceived. God was born and became physical ( flesh ) body. He wanted people to meet their true Maker ( God ) in real life. And, God's name was changed to Jesus Christ ( Immanuel ) which was means " God with us " -- the reason, Immanuel was given is because, people CAN'T see God spiritually, but God was INSIDE Jesus Christ's body so people CAN see Him.
When Jesus left this earth to return Heaven, He was back to Spirit again.

Well, Lieblin' ... did you read what I said above ? It apparently to me that you ignored/avoid my post above while respondin' to others' posts.

Cane Corso · 05-09-2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Cane Corso stated in another thread When I was nine years old, I had my doubts in god. 9 years old? Who would have the knowledge of the bible at the age of 9? She claim that she don't understand it, so again, she doesn't know anything about the bible. I rest my case.

Who gives a Sh_t if I can read a bible at age 9. How does this put you in a good agruement? I look at this agruement as a poor one because it does not get anywhere. Who cares if I can read? Do I need to tell you A to Z about why I don't believe in God? I don't think so I should. You remind me of mormons who kept harassing me about god. I asked everyone (priests, nuns, parents, siblings, teachers, etc) many questions, they were not giving me a good answer. NONE of them!

I stopped going to church at age 16 after the conformination and church yourth group meeting. This is when I end my belief as 100%. OK?

No, I am not going to listen to this JUNK conversation anymore. I refuse to listen to anyone who talk about how good a false god is. You can thank then, don't try and make me look like a foolish for not believing in one. You had your own reasons and I had mine. Leave at that!

I am not going to read a bibly 24/7 because it is crap and boring as shit. You can rest your case and call me a satan.

**Cheri** · 05-09-2007, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cane Corso

You remind me of mormons who kept harassing me about god.

Are you going to sit here and lie about that statement about me? I never harassing you about God. And you never asked me questions about God either. So, therefore I don't remind you of those morons as you claim.

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No, I am not going to listen to this JUNK conversation anymore. I refuse to listen to anyone who talk about how good a false god is.

Then why are you here if you don't want to listen to this "junk".

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don't try and make me look like a foolish for not believing in one.

I am not going to and I haven't either.

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am not going to read a bibly 24/7 because it is crap and boring as shit

Ok so? Nobody said you had to.

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You can rest your case and call me a satan.

It's not my place to judge, it's in God's hands.

Have a good day, crabby.

halford · 05-09-2007, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cane Corso

Who gives a Sh_t if I can read a bible at age 9. How does this put you in a good agruement? I look at this agruement as a poor one because it does not get anywhere. Who cares if I can read? Do I need to tell you A to Z about why I don't believe in God? I don't think so I should. You remind me of mormons who kept harassing me about god. I asked everyone (priests, nuns, parents, siblings, teachers, etc) many questions, they were not giving me a good answer. NONE of them!

I stopped going to church at age 16 after the conformination and church yourth group meeting. This is when I end my belief as 100%. OK?

No, I am not going to listen to this JUNK conversation anymore. I refuse to listen to anyone who talk about how good a false god is. You can thank then, don't try and make me look like a foolish for not believing in one. You had your own reasons and I had mine. Leave at that!

I am not going to read a bibly 24/7 because it is crap and boring as shit. You can rest your case and call me a satan.

The real question is why are you here in this thread? I do not go in the gay thread bec I have absolutely no interest in it. I do not read andything there or bother them...

Did you come in because you have some kind of belief (nothing wrong with that).

It seems that you have some kind of anger. What did God do wrong? If a dog bites you, then you turn and kick an innocent cat just because the dog bit you. Did someone bit you, then youre kicking God for that? We are here to help out if there is a problem of some kind.

Welcome to this thread...

05-09-2007, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I can do something without gun to survive/protect myself.

The butcher/farmer/hunter who shot the wild animals from the forest... A lot of Germans don't own guns to protect our families. We can do something to defend ourselves and our family without use guns. (steels, spray, woods, etc)

Yes, my hubby & I don't like gun.

Ok, good luck to you and your family!
What if the enemy/enemies came to your home wanting to
rob or heavens forbid, murder your whole household and
you and your husband have NO WEAPONS AT ALL TO
DEFEND YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY?
Just imagine that.
*Shudders* I pray and hope it dont happen but what if
we have World Wars?

05-09-2007, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Are you going to sit here and lie about that statement about me? I never harassing you about God. And you never asked me questions about God either. So, therefore I don't remind you of those morons as you claim.

Then why are you here if you don't want to listen to this "junk".

I am not going to and I haven't either.

Ok so? Nobody said you had to.

It's not my place to judge, it's in God's hands.

Have a good day, crabby.

Amen, Cheri!!
You darn right!
No need to be nasty about it, Cane, geez!

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Hwy99 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: A town in middle of the rolling hills Posts: 6,141	Defee, I am a vegetarian. I live someplace I have opporiunity to eat vegetable, have the vitmans, and have the acid, soy milk, everything. Now I feel like: "What's my excuse to kill other living thing while I can eat other instead?" If I am in a dessert in middle of nowhere, I only have the meat to eat, then I will. But I am not in that place. I am in the place that I can eat vegetables. Proudly to be a vegetarian.