Opal

Yes, Quit from this thread is the only way out.

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Liebling:-)))

[QUOTE]Thank you for provide this link. ........ "her health or life (or that of the fetus) is at risk, contraception was used but failed" is belongs to Pro-Choice, that's why I support this.

Don’t trivialize when a woman decides for not want to risk her life/health to carry her unborn baby to full term due the medical reasons, etc. It can be life-threatening for her. That's why I 'm for a pro-choice and support women's rights because every woman has the right to put her health first, no matter what. If you decide for Pro-Life which means is you put fetus rights first before mother's risk health.

It will make yourself hypocrites if you support Pro-life and agree to terminate a baby due health/risk reason.




What is this? He killed the people that's because he hate sin. Of course murder!!!! Kill babies, toddlers, children because of this... ?

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Yes, it's exactly what I said in previous post that he create and kill the people what he wants. It's same thing with death penatly at justice system.

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Liebling:-)))

[QUOTE][QUOTE]I only want to say that it's not just father who abuse the children but mother as well.

I has to agree that it's a huge mistake to ban father or mother from see the children but let the children decide either they want to visit their father or mother.

unfortunately yes.

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Liebling:-)))

[QUOTE]No matter what... I would protect my children's safety instead of test their faith. It's God's responsibly to choose to test their faith over protect their life.

Huh? I really has no clue what earth you are talking about. At first you blame Eve and Adam in previous posts at other thread for cause sin and defend God. We tried to convince you the fact and logic without blame everyone. Nobody blames God for that but accept our knowledge as history how and where sin come from etc. Why should we are angry and blame God or Eve & Adam for that? Nope, but accept it as history and acheive our own life with our own strength to focus my own life and my family life into good path.

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Reba

If a police officer shoots and kills a person that is attempting to kill an innocent victim, is that "murder"? After all, the police officer killed in the line of duty, that is, part of his "job".

christlovedeaf

That's where you don't understand. As you see the differences is this, Paul is similar what Jesus is saying, all the law we have been broken by, was nailed on the cross. Our effort is useless, and does not mean we can sin we want, but letting God work each of us to become more like Him, but christians themselves have the choice. But sadly, many christians jumped quickly specific sins which confuse alot. Each christians respond differently of whatever weakenesses they face. Work itself does not bring it, and that is why Jesus point out, bec many claimed by based on their "works", but Jesus point out of their lacking. That is why Jesus bored our sins upon Himself.

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Liebling:-)))

A police officer has to do to defend himself to shot back if a person who tries to shot him in first place is a self-defense which is not same thing what God did to the people including babies, toddlers, children.

If anyone who defend themselves which mean is try to save their life themselves from not want to die.

Accord your post, every police officer are expert how to shot a person who tries to kill an innoncent victim then shot his legs or arms or tries to convince the person to not kill an innoncent victim, not kill head or heart. I know what I am saying because I work for Police Criminal Unit for 5 years in London before married and move to live in Germany.

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xentar

Yeah netrox, you just don't understand!

Have you noticed where it seems each christians has its own interpretation of what they think the bible/scriptures says?

Now..what's up with that?

Reba

Just because you worked for the police in London doesn't make you knowledgeable about shooting. It's obvious from your statement about shooting at the legs or arms that you don't know anything about gun use in a lethal confrontation.

Liebling:-)))

Yes I know because the polices are training how to shot and how to defend themselves... They does at Wednesdays. We are allowed to watch their training during lunch time. Many polices do their sports on the field with guard dogs, etc. I work on Criminal Unit and read their statements what criminal´s identities look like, etc. how and what they kill or defense or whatever... etc.

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VamPyroX

And... he supposedly disappeared... forever. Same thing...

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christlovedeaf

Problem? Many follow teachers/pastors, bec problem is this, many go to church, only few study to make sure. This is where we will never agree, depend on a person itself than you study yourself. Like you think of christians bow dow before the cross, and etc, which is catholic related, not denomination related. The problem is this also, people picked the verses and ignore the other, which I don't approve of. Now, only way, that we can edify committing christians is sharing one another and aksing each other questions and ask God to reveal and etc, still humanist will not get it, bec there are others as seeing what others do and think that christians abroad believe the same. I only meet, very very few christians who are true worshippers, not the person who doesn't do "particular sins", but seeking after the living God. Noone knows the personal intimacy with God. And true christians doesn't compare like, I know more than you do, I'm smarter than you do, you have no excuse to live that kind of sins, and malicious gossips and etc. I learn everyday life and experience everyday life and learning many different views and still do. I must say, agnostic, humanist, some evolutionist, some scientist does not understand what christian believe and does not matter what church they grew up in.

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christlovedeaf

He isnt dissapper, He's still around and still at work. If He dissappears, then there is no such as christians.

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Mistyrose

You misunderstood Reba, Liebling...she meant that have YOU
ever USED A GUN? Not by WATCHING THE POLICE AT TRAINING.
Doesnt matter whether you worked at Police station or whatever,
but it does matter IF, you practiced at shooting ranges, that you
have USED A WEAPON, PERIOD. Thats what Reba is asking you.

netrox

Sorry, I disagree. It may be your sperm but the health of a woman carrying your sperm carries significant health risks. She's the one that's feeding and caring the fetus, not you. You simply have no say whether you like it or not.

Wah! So sorry to hurt your feelings! Wah wah wah...

Liebling:-)))

I understood Reba prefectly and only said that I watch the police at training which mean I know what and how they use the gun to shot.... It make no difference either I use gun or not but know from watch them how to use gun to shot.

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Hwy99

Ok. Without a sperm, the baby would never develop. Men have the right too. Men have right to be a father too. Men have right to see his own children too. Men have right to raise his children too. Men have right for everything unless he abused the children or he made up the decision with his wife or ex wife.

Hwy99

[QUOTE=Liebling:-)));770801][QUOTE]I am with you on this!

netrox

Nope. Do you masturbate? You lose billions of sperm already. Does a baby grow inside you? Nope. It only grows in a woman's body therefore it's up to a woman to decide what she wants to do with it. It's NOT yours. You only spilled, she is the one that has to carry with a significant burden.

christlovedeaf

This kind of here

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Maria

Disappeared ? Naw. He is still UP there and watchin'.

XBGMER

Quite a contradiction....

the Holy bible referred to the Greek myth! Because Your eyes already saw black slaves in hands of whites who beat them to death for 400 years, but you still don't believe the autheic history's record. you do still think my stories or other people's stories are fairy-tale stories. mmm

Cher, You are completely contradicting yourself here. I'll point something out to you: I recall that you told them , God forgive sinners and God love sinners. Now, you said God hated sinners and killed them for some reason. You actually blamed God did it instead of people who killed sinners. There is NOTHING to understand beyond that.

God killed sinners, then God love sinners and save the sinners for their life. Later God will change his mind to have eneimes on his side want them to kill the sinners.. that is none make sense to me...

if you know people claimed that God is murder what they entitled their own opinions because they want to. Maybe you'll stop confusing yourself by not being concerned about what other people do with their own opinion, because it is none of your buisness.

Does God love-hate relationship with christians or nonchristians? Yes sound like God does.. I really have very diffcult to accept that.

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Hwy99

Not mine? I have testrome(sp?) okay? Those sperms are developed inside my body, and I can masturbate, spilling of sperms whatever I want. Those sperms are mine. Period. For the male's biology sake!

About the abortion. Let me type to understanding my point.

If woman was pregant, and the man left her, she have right to abortion if she want.

If man rape woman, and woman happened became pregant, that woman have right to abortion.

If woman want to stay with man who she became preganted from, she have right to abortion depends on the couple's decision.

If woman could die from being pregant, she have right to abortion no matter what if her husband/boyfriend disapprove it.

If woman decide to run away from her husband or boyfriend, and abort her baby in her pregant, that is not a love.

But. Don't worry. Why? Because most of the time, husbands or boyfriends love their girlfriend or wife, and would let her to decide. THAT is a COUPLE'S DECISION.

Now happy? That is my point, now go back and enjoy your dinner. (it means this is my last post of my opinion about the abortion.)

Cheri

XBGMER,

You don't even understand a word I just said, We were talking about Old Testament time when God flooded Noah, the reason of his judgment was that sins equal death, This curse against Satan is the first mention in God's book (Old Testament). This method of covering people's disobedience by the death was God's plan, even before He made the world. That's what I was speaking of on my post above.

Then in New Testament, one day a Savior, born of a woman, to defeat Satan and died for our sins, this time there an offer of forgiveness for the sins of all people, no longer the death of the sin anymore. it's gone, Jesus blood washed it away. Get the picture now?

So, Yes God loves us, people, but hates the sins.(the action not the person) Don't get confused between sinner and sins. I was speaking of the sin the 'Original Sin'

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Hwy99

Welcome back.

So, you mean God kill the TRUE Sinners? I mean, like a person who have full of bad things, killing, stealing, etc. without feel qulity about it. The original sin are when people did the sin and feel so regret about it. Was I correct? If I was correct, then I would agree with it.

I also want to tell you sorry for bothers you about the word "Murder".

Cheri

The Original sin came from Adam and Eve, had injured the human race. Remember when God told Adam and Eve not to get the fruit or u'll die. Right? So, that's where the death came from, sin (From Adam and Eve) entered into this world and by sin death; and so death passed upon all people. God tried to have people follow him for many many years in the Old Testament, nobody wanted to obey him, nobody cared, nobody wanted to turn around and do good, nobody felt that they were a sinner, or felt that they did anything wrong, they mostly blow it off people have filled the earth with violence, only a few people did obey God got saved, Only a few listened to God that got saved.

Now that changes, Jesus paid the price for ALL OF US, only he could save us from the punishment we deserve. He suffered for us, those who have trusted God and believed in Jesus as their Lord and Savior will be saved. When I say that it means We have to know in our heart that we did was wrong, and we know we are a sinner, and felt guilty of the sins that we have done in our past lives and ask Jesus to forgive us, and accept him in our heart then we can have eternity life with Jesus.

Jesus won the fight over Satan, when he died for us.

At the judgment day, Satan, the deceiver, will be thrown into the lake of fire and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever, and those who don't believe in Jesus, who haven't been saved by their sins will go with Satan.

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Hwy99

A nice job of Jesus. I would say that Jesus is one of the hot topic for between Christianity to Judaism/Muslim/Islamic.

Cheri

Yep, That's why I owe Jesus my life, because if it wasn't for Jesus I'll be burn in hell with Satan. I wouldn't enjoy that.

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Liebling:-)))

Sinner = a person who violate the law, religion and rules or did wrong things.

Original Sin is referring Eve's & Adam's first disobeyence, that's how we born sin.

Sin = act to violate the law, rules or religion, wrong things.

I know some people confuse those word.

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Liebling:-)))

You don't have to.

Everyone entitle their opinion as long as they respectfully debate with agree to disagree. I see nothing wrong when you entitle your own point of view. What's this forum for.

I am not sorry what I say about God as murder because it's my point of view after see the logic. I do not mock God as murder or whatever but fact because he killed the people. I do not say anything disguist against God but accept what and how God did as history.

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