VamPyroX

Who killed more people in the Bible?



Whoa...

God...

A murderer?

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christlovedeaf

Well, Satan really is the one is the lead killing, that is, soul. Like Jesus said, Satan came to steal, to destroy and to kill, but I come to give life and the life to the fullest. Many thinking its about our seeing and physical, but that is not what Jesus is saying. But have to understand the reason what has happen in the OT, but since Jesus death on the cross, old covenant been nailed and gave us a new covenant as been prophesied in Isaiah. In the OT, if God not doing anything, and letting His people do whatevr they want, then will block God's plan, bec it would be worldwide turmoil. Look what happen in Noah's time, God hasn't destroy them for sooo long, but what happen to the people and how they life? They live deplorable life, people partying, orgies, lying, gossipping, hatred, stealing, killings, and etc. God has to put a stop to it. But if you notice, Noah warned these people about the flood, people laughed and mocked and it won't happen, if any person above i described, believe, are they welcome, yes, they can, but people refuse, Noah invite, but people think he has psychosis.

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Yiffzer

How are those numbers calculated, oh wise man?

VamPyroX

So, if I warned you to move cuz God told me that He was going to send a tornado and destroy your whole town... would you listen to me?

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christlovedeaf

Remember the jokes and even tho, it does work that way. About the man and the flood, remember that joke? It is similar to this life.

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VamPyroX

Still, would you listen to me?

That's probably what the people were thinking. If God really cared about everyone, he would have told everyone.

If God only told Noah, then he was biased.

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christlovedeaf

Remember, his time, no technology, and time was perfect and where he get the idea of an ark and how the animals cooperate and etc. So easy by using the word biased to avoid what really has happen. Remember, like some religion using as Christ is coming with specific date, which I don't believe, why? Jesus said " Noone knows the hour or day of His coming." Remember, in some way, like flooding, when been warned not go across the water and all of sudden, they drowned and then ask God why You haven't protect me? and God says, " I have, but you do it your own way to risk it and thinking I will do, do you not remember what happens, the time of Jesus' temptations, when Satan said, does not the verse say, when I fall, angel will come down to protect me from hurt, and Jesus clarify the balance of the scriptures, As it is wriitten, do not tempt the Lord your God. " (my translation)? but using the word "God told me", its very solemn and cautious thought to be aware of if its for real or not. I cannot determine to believe or not to believe when people saying and also, cautious if it match how the scriptures says. Like some religion using that I mentioned.

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Yiffzer

Vamp, tell me how they calculated that, you asshole.

Throwstones

Satan is a greatest rebellious, pride, jealously, murderer, liar and very heavy egoist against GOD. Satan wants his own way than GOD and think he know everything on the earth over GOD. Satan CAN'T conquer GOD. Because GOD is only having a greatest POWER and holy GOD! HE can destroy Satan if he wants to. Is because He already created the angels including Former Luicfer as Satan but Satan was kicked out of God's heaven. You see that Satan has limited his power.

When end of the armdraggon, GOD will authorize to lock Satan and his demons, unbelievers to stay in lake of fires forever!

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jazzy

Have u consider Satan may be God's greatest tool to bring His people back to Him.

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jazzy

How does He killed people? Tell me, I am curious.

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xentar

If you look in the Bible, there are an amazing number of people that God wants his followers to murder.

For example, in Exodus 35:2 God lays down this commandment:
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.
Think about that how many people work on the Sabbath -- all the employees of Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, Home Depot, Linnens & things, grocery stores, convenience stores, power plants, airlines, hospitals, emergency services and on and on and on. Don't rabbis, priests and preachers work on the Sabbath? God wants all of them dead.

Then look at Deut 21:18-21. It says:
If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his town at the gate of that place. They shall say to the elders of his town, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. So you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel will hear, and be afraid.
That is a whole lot of teenagers that we need to kill.

Then there is Leviticus 20:13:
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.
All homosexuals need to be killed. What about this:
If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbour, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death.
That's a lot of people who need to be killed.

In other words, if we actually listened to what God says today, we would need to kill at least half of the people in America tomorrow. After all, Isaiah 40:8 says, "The grass withers, the flower fades; but the word of our God will stand for ever." The word of the Lord tells us to kill half of the U.S. population.

Yiffzer

Then again, we were never an orthodox Christian nation, Xentar. Back then, killing the criminals was not a big issue since the numbers were low. Now we're becoming quite lax (a bit too much if I may add), so then numbers increase greatly. If we were to be a Christian nation, we must kill all those criminals - including you, Xentar. But hey, I believe we all should be forgiven the moment we become a Christian nation. On that very day, anyone who commits any crime will be punished accordingly to God's law. God's grace and hope will be restored! O thank you God!

christlovedeaf

That's where it begin, remember what Jesus did on Sabbath? And religious leader thinking they honor God by following the "Law"? What did Jesus say about these things and reason for it? Like the disciples ate from the field, heal people and etc, on Sabbath. Jesus quote by saying "have you not read...", like King David as Jesus talked about. Remember, in christian beliefs, Christ is our Sabbath. Christ fulfilled the law, not abolish it. Christ identifies each of us our weaknesses and try to put the law in our heart. The problem is we try every effort in our strength, and do something for Him instead He works in us and control in us to enable us to do for Him. I, myself, learned and still learning what Christ is trying to tell me and trying to show me and etc to be able to conform into His likeness. God not going to put us to top overnight, He expect us to learn from it and thru it. Why? to help us to grow. Many thought they can be in "Mount Transfiguration" experience permanently, but God expect us to go down to the valley and face the challenges, but must have total surrender. Thru my christian life, I've been into "Mount Transfiguration" experience and not realize, in times, I have to face darkness life. The book called "Prayer of Jabez" really got me hard, bec I have been warned, that if I really, really want to surrender my all genuinely, God will test me hard, thats where huge storms hit me later in big time, I failed. Does that mean, I am not a true christian? No, there is something in me that I have overlook and discover what's my problem is, and that's where now, I've been struggling. Lately, it draws me back into His attention and fully examine myself, where I went wrong. It is not fast and overnight dealing, it is a process. That's where I learn alot in life what I face and deal with. Oswald Chamber " Utmost Highest" gave me pondering thought and ask God lot of questions. All christians should be in that level, bec, most christians are in carnality level than on spiritual level. That is what Christ is trying to tell us. Like jazzy ask, in some way, not what Satan make us better, but what Satan done to us to driven us away from his lies and deceptive way to become more like God, not meant by position, but example. That is where many overlook about btwn God and Satan, focusing on physical way, by many many have been destroyed by Satan's schemes by decieving them, than God did in OT

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VamPyroX

I'm guessing that whoever read the Bible added up the deaths done by Satan and by God.

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Yiffzer

Psh, invalid.

VamPyroX

You said the magic word... "technology".

Magic is often considered as "misunderstood technology".

Back then, knowledge was power. The more knowledge you had, the more powerful you were considered. If you were too knowledgeable, you could be considered evil.

If I knew exactly when and where a solar eclipse would happen, I could simply show up at a town in that spot before the eclipse was about to happen... and then threaten the town that I would make the sun disappear if they didn't listen to me. Suddenly, the sky goes dark... OMG! It's magic!

Here's a historical reference of a lunar eclipse...Columbus had knowledge. The Indians didn't. What happened? Exactly.

Let's try something else... if you were to travel back in time and meet cavemen. They would be startled by your appearance. However, if you took out a lighter and lit it up... what would they do? They would likely worship you as their fire god. You had technology. They didn't understand your technology. Therefore, it's magic to them.

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VamPyroX

Why don't you read the Bible and prove the numbers wrong.

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Yiffzer

Which is why the holy books tells all believers to not believe in magic. Da duh!

SxyPorkie

hahaha...everyone create God or Satan in their mind..... no such thing like that..... Bible were made by Man,,, therefore Satan is created by Man...to put people in fear...

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VamPyroX

Yep!

Often, "supernatural beings" are created to put the population under control.

It's like the Greek and Romany gods. Without those gods, the people are out of control. If a person was smart enough to understand how Earth worked, they could create believable mythology.

*thinking* "Oh, a solar eclipse is about to happen!"

*yelling* "Hey everyone, if you don't stop fighting... the sun god is going to leave!"

*solar eclipse happens; sky goes dark*

*everyone stops fighting and panics*

*solar eclipse goes away*

*everyone calms down*

"Okay everyone, let's be friends."

And... peace came throughout the land.

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Yiffzer

So you're saying we do need religion to keep the population under control? I mean... imagine the Atheists going crazy when the gods leave.

Yiffzer

Not good enough.

jillio

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Dark-Half

My God can beat up your God. He has suber powarz!!! He can fart and wipe a country off the map!!!

God: oops, there went another 3 thounsand people. Shouldn't have ate those chirtos for lunch...

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God and Satan : Truth and Life vs. Lies and Murder

Jesus says of Satan----" the the prince of the world " --
that " he hath nothing in me " ( John 14:30 KJV ). The Scriptures draw
sharp contrasts between God and Satan that help us better understand
the profound differences between their character, motivations, goals and
actions.

Much of what we learn about Satan is summed up in his name,
which means adversary. Peter calls him " your adversary ( enemy ) the devil " ( 1 Peter 5:8 KJV ). Satan's actions and motivations are those of an enemy. God's character, in contrast, is summarized by the word love. " God is love, " John tells us ( 1 John 4:8, 16 KJV ).

In John 8:43-44 Christ says Satan is a murderer and liar. Jesus says of
Himself that He is " the way, the truth, and the life " ( John 14:6 KJV ).
As a liar and murderer, Satan is the exact opposite of " the truth and the life " ( John 14:6 KJV ). Christ is the truth, Satan is a liar. Christ is the life, Satan is a murderer ---one who takes away life.

As we can see, the Scriptures show that Satan is the exact opposite of God
and Jesus Christ in his intents, motivation and character.

Emphasizin' that they are opposites, in 2 Corinthians 6:14-15 Paul asks a
series of questions : .... " for what fellowship have righteousness and iniquity ? or what communion hath light with darkness ? And what concord hath Christ with Belial ? " He emphasizes that the ways of Christ and Satan are as opposite as day and night, light and darkness ( compare John 3:19-21; 8:12; Ephesians 6:12 ).

The essence of Christ's character is revealed in His prayer in the Garden of
Gethsemane : " Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me, never-
theless not My will, but Yours, be done " ( Luke 22:42 ). Satan's attitude is diametrically opposite. Rather than submittin' to God's perfect will, he became self-willed and determined to have his way at any cost. That attitude led to his initial rebellion against his Creator as described in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28. Regrettably, Satan has been remarkably successful at infusin' a me-first, self-willed attitude among all human beings, with the one exception of Jesus, who perfectly resisted him.

We see another stark contrast in Revelation 9:11. Here we read of a
powerful force of attackers that goes forth like scorpions to torment mankind.
" They have over them as king the angel of the abyss: his name in Hebrew is
Abaddon, and in the Greek [tongue] he hath the name Apollyon " ---names
meanin' " destruction " and " destroyer, " respectively.

We might say that Destroyer is his name and destruction is his game. These titles sum up Satan's character, goals and purpose. They summarize the end result of everythin' he strives for --- absolute destruction. If the devil can't have it all, as he is beginnin' to realize at the point in history described here, his intent is to destroy it all.

Again we see a major contrast. Compare Satan, the destroyer, with God, whose greatest attribute is that He is the great Creator. God is the one who creates, builds, makes and gives us so many beautiful and wonderful things. Satan, on the other hand, is the ultimate destroyer.

What does he destroy ? He ruins basically everythin' he can get his hands on.
Read Revelation 9 and Revelation 12:7-12. Everywhere he is mentioned,
Satan is destroyin' -- tryin' to murder God's people, fightin' Jesus Christ,
lashin' out in anger because he knows his time is almost up.

Even after losin' the war, and bein' restrained for 1,000 years, has he learned
his lesson ? Far from it. In Revelation 20:7-10 we read that when he is released he will go out to deceive the nations again and bring them to battle against Jerusalem. But he and those who follow him are defeated. Finally he is permanently constrained and can no longer influence mankind. All his efforts are brought to nothin'.

Eventually every destructive thing Satan has tried to achieve throughout history will be reversed and defeated, and all that God has set out to achieve will be accomplished.This is made clear in the Scriptures. God has complete control over His creation, and Satan can do no more than God allows.

xentar

Since you copy/pasted this directly from the booklet "Is there really a devil?" (source)

I'll do some copying/pasting as well:

Who has killed more, Satan or God?

I counted the number of people that were killed by God in the Bible. I came up with 2,270,365, which, of course, greatly underestimates God's total death toll, since it only includes those killings for which specific numbers are given. No attempt was made to include the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc., with which the good book is filled. Still, 2 million is a respectable number even for world class killers.

But how does this compare with Satan? How many did he kill in the Bible?

Well I can only find ten, and even these he shares with God, since God allowed him to do it as a part of a bet.

killings
God 2,270,365+
Satan 10

Source

For a detailed breakdown of all the people that God killed compared to Satan where Satan still only killed 10 compared to the 'estimated' 32.9 million check this out.

Liebling:-)))

This thread remind me of JW people where I went school with and involve with them in the past.

They often said:

It's Satan who get the people to kill each other and expose them into criminal, etc.

I asked:

Why can't God stop Satan to destory the people's soul and mind?

They answer:

God want to test people either they faith God or not that's why he let Satan rule the earth.

I said "Oh" and said:

It could be that Satan influence Religion authors to write the bibles to expose the people to become different beliefs like this?

They answer:

Unfortunlately yes, and said that it's sad that the people worship different beliefs which is not right after beleive what the bible says.

I said:

Also JW too?

They said:

No, their bible is true and other bibles are false...




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