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Unread 04-01-2007, 12:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Religious psychosis

It seems that many religious people on this forum suffer from religious psychosis.

What is psychosis? Many tend to think that psychotic people are dangerous and violent but that's NOT what it is. Psychosis means, "loss of contact with reality."

Psychotic people can be highly intelligent and even know that they're not "normal" but they're so convinced they're right.

Religious people often claim that their God is speaking to them and they would not "reason" with normal intelligent people like me. They would rave about the gifts of God or Jesus or Mohammad but conveniently ignores the atrocities or contradictions by them.

If I say, "I went to the store this morning." and I later said, "I went to the store in the afternoon." That would be an obvious contradiction, right? Religious people would tell me that I am wrong because my two statements contradict each other but if the Bible says the same, they would look for ways to explain why the Bible is correct even tho one of them has to be wrong. It can't be both at once.

Virtually all people expereince psychosis, whether they know or not. I've had a few eposides yet I am very aware that they were totally illogical and irrational. I even had hallucinations. But those psychotic eposides made me understand how schoizprehnics and delusional religious people are. They just think they're so right in spite of lack of evidence or contradictions. No matter how rude or nice I am to the religious, they will remain psychotic when it comes to their faith.
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If I say, "I went to the store this morning." and I later said, "I went to the store in the afternoon." That would be an obvious contradiction, right? Religious people would tell me that I am wrong because my two statements contradict each other but if the Bible says the same, they would look for ways to explain why the Bible is correct even tho one of them has to be wrong. It can't be both at once.
Then again, it all depends on what context it's all put in. You can say those two statements and it would still be true. You went to the store in the morning and in the afternoon. The only way it'd be a contradiction is if you deny the first statement and approve the second statement later (not sure how that works but... okay).

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Virtually all people expereince psychosis, whether they know or not. I've had a few eposides yet I am very aware that they were totally illogical and irrational. I even had hallucinations. But those psychotic eposides made me understand how schoizprehnics and delusional religious people are. They just think they're so right in spite of lack of evidence or contradictions. No matter how rude or nice I am to the religious, they will remain psychotic when it comes to their faith.
Can you give me an example? I don't think I've ever gone through such a thing.
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Can you give me an example? I don't think I've ever gone through such a thing.
Sure. A mild and harmless psychosis that most of us have all the time... belief in God despite lack of evidence to support it.
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Can you give me an example? I don't think I've ever gone through such a thing.
I can think of one example. I had a friend who would be temporarily suffering it when he wakes up at the wrong time.

If you woke him up while he was deep asleep, he would be disoriented and not be who he normally was. For instance, he would sometimes yell at the person "What the **** are you doing in my room? Respect my privacy!" Of course, he gave that person permission to wake him up if necessary, but he wasn't in that kind of reality when he woke up. As usual, his roommate was already aware of it and disregarded his comment as he walked out of the room or stood there for a few minutes. That guy would eventually come to reality and then sometimes realize what he did and apologize about it.
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I do agree that there are people who suffer religious psychosis.

This is probably very common in elders, especially with my grandparents.

My grandparents have come to a point where religion is the only thing in their life and nothing else matters. Every year, my parents go to visit them for Thanksgiving and they come to visit my parents for Christmas. During each visit, they all always play cards. They have always used regular playing cards. However, that changed a few years ago. They began to believe that standard playing cards were tools of Satanism and if played, they would be playing against God. So, my parents had to start using different playing cards such as Rook playing cards or other playing cards that didn't incorporate the use of A, J, Q, & K and diamonds, clubs, hearts, & spades. As long as there are 52 cards, 1 to 13, and 4 different colors... they were fine. I also often played cards with them, but I was puzzled a few years ago when I was about to play and they pulled out the Rook cards. My mom whispered out of sight from my grandparents and explained why. So, I was like... "Oh boy."
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Sure. A mild and harmless psychosis that most of us have all the time... belief in God despite lack of evidence to support it.
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In other words, u believe that 91 percent America people whom believe in God are while 9 percent America people who does not believe in God are not ?
U do not have a degree to tell us who is crazy or not.
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In other words, u believe that 91 percent America people whom believe in God are while 9 percent America people who does not believe in God are not ?
U do not have a degree to tell us who is crazy or not.
For those who believe in God/Jesus are more wiser in the EYES of God than those who don't believe in God/Jesus.
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I have seen some of schoizprehnics and delusional clients. One of them have opposise feelings. Normal person feels hot from the heater over 72 degree. A schoizprenicer turned the temper higher than 72 because he feels cold in the house. Turn the lights on everywhere in the house to prevent someone would watch him during the daytime. Hearing the voice in his ears. Saw my car were lights on. My car lights werent on. His visual, feels and hear were opposise from us.

He believes in spirit with God to stare at the wooden statue with his mind relax as yoga.

It signsof delusional (out of the space) in spirit with his eyes close with wooden statue.

Mental Illness people have a difficult to keep their faith with God. They are confuse and mixing in their inner feelings.
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I have seen some of schoizprehnics and delusional clients. One of them have opposise feelings. Normal person feels hot from the heater over 72 degree. A schoizprenicer turned the temper higher than 72 because he feels cold in the house. Turn the lights on everywhere in the house to prevent someone would watch him during the daytime. Hearing the voice in his ears. Saw my car were lights on. My car lights weren't on. His visual, feels and hear were opposise from us.

He believes in spirit with God to stare at the wooden statue with his mind relax as yoga.

It signsof delusional (out of the space) in spirit with his eyes close with wooden statue.

Mental Illness people have a difficult to keep their faith with God. They are confuse and mixing in their inner feelings.
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For those who believe in God/Jesus are more wiser in the EYES of God than those who don't believe in God/Jesus.
For those who believe in the oneness of God are wiser in the eyes of God than those who believe in the partnership of Jesus and God.
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For those who believe in God/Jesus are more wiser in the EYES of God than those who don't believe in God/Jesus.
I totally agree!! and it dont mean they are crazy either, crikey!
Even people who are not religious can be psychotic too, so
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"In other words, u believe that 91 percent America people whom believe in God are while 9 percent America people who does not believe in God are not?"

I said virtually ALL people (including atheists) have psychosis. Belief in God is a common psychosis. We tend to be imaginative and sometimes imagination becomes "reality." Atheists tend to be a little psychotic about sci-fi... imagining a bit too much thinking that there are aliens or have developed conspiracy theories.
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In other words, u believe that 91 percent America people whom believe in God are while 9 percent America people who does not believe in God are not ?
U do not have a degree to tell us who is crazy or not.
Not all 92% are . Some of them are.
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It seems that many religious people on this forum suffer from religious psychosis.

What is psychosis? Many tend to think that psychotic people are dangerous and violent but that's NOT what it is. Psychosis means, "loss of contact with reality."

Psychotic people can be highly intelligent and even know that they're not "normal" but they're soconvinced they're right.

Religious people often claim that their God is speaking to them and they would not "reason" with normal intelligent people like me. They would rave about the gifts of God or Jesus or Mohammad but conveniently ignores the atrocities or contradictions by them.

If I say, "I went to the store this morning." and I later said, "I went to the store in the afternoon." That would be an obvious contradiction, right? Religious people would tell me that I am wrong because my two statements contradict each other but if the Bible says the same, they would look for ways to explain why the Bible is correct even tho one of them has to be wrong. It can't be both at once.

Virtually all people expereince psychosis, whether they know or not. I've had a few eposides yet I am very aware that they were totally illogical and irrational. I even had hallucinations. But those psychotic eposides made me understand how schoizprehnics and delusional religious people are. They just think they're so right in spite of lack of evidence or contradictions. No matter how rude or nice I am to the religious, they will remain psychotic when it comes to their faith.
Netrox, I do agree with your excellent post!

serval timesI had told in my own posts somewhere this forums against christians and I made the ugly label on them had mental disorder which the schizoprehnics and delusionals period! Because I had experinced myself into way that suffered from psycho irrational. I was in trace hallucinations made me realize how all people do have suffer from schizoprehnics/ delusionals like me.

But I beat it and under control it than exposed to effect the system in my mind is function... Because I don't let schizoprehnics and delusionals eat and control me from feet to head.. FYI: not easy!

what the list who has truly suffer from schizoprehnics and delusionals:

Racist
Homosexual
Religion
Prophet
sexual predator
Compulves Liar
Drug user
Depresser
Bioplar
Alcoholic
Rampant
Serial Killer

on and on....

Most psychedelics attend to see their psychoanalysis, they told their psychiatrists, saying there is something voices inside in their head to tell/ force it on with complex processes of thought its own.

Christians and Muslims have seriously mental problems, because they are so suffer from that schizo-delusional or disorder of the mind including psychoses, neuroses, and emotional maladjustments, etc period!
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Prove that they "suffer" from it when they are simply "spiritual"?
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I'd be crazy to post in this thread.


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Actually all the brilliant people who have profound influence on our thinking, education, technology, etc are often psychotic at times. Their writings often reveal their psychotic eposides.

Jesus was definitely psychotic... he wasn't consistent with his words, was convinced Satan was talking to him and all that. Of course, Christians would say Satan was real but the problem is that Satan is not real. It hasn't been proven whatsoever. Same with God.

So were all prophets... even as late as Joseph Smith... he was psychotic claiming to be recieving Word of God.

Yiffzer asked a good question: "Prove that they "suffer" from it when they are simply "spiritual"?"

I'd say that spirituality is an intellectual evaluation of religious psychosis.
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Actually all the brilliant people who have profound influence on our thinking, education, technology, etc are often psychotic at times. Their writings often reveal their psychotic eposides.

Jesus was definoitely psychtic... he wasn't consistent with his words, was convinced Satan was talking to him and all that. Of course, Christians would say Satan was real but the problem is that Satan is not real. It hasn't been proven whatsoever. Same with God.

So were all prophets... even as late as Joseph Smith... he was psychotic claiming to be recieving Word of God.

Yiffzer asked a good question: "Prove that they "suffer" from it when they are simply "spiritual"?"

I'd say that spirituality is an intellectual evaluation of religious psychosis.
So are we rewording what it means to receive a vision or a call from God?

You say that Satan does not exist and that were no proof to support the concept of Satan.

It's your turn: prove that Satan does not exist.
The same with God: prove God does not exist.

Good luck.
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This is more like stereotypical and prejudice thread here. There are some that are of anyone, not particular religions or whatever, its based on individual, not the whole.
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It's your turn: prove that Satan does not exist.
The same with God: prove God does not exist.
You are trying to resort to "you cannot prove a negative" fallacy. You made that claim and you HAVE to prove it. The burden is ON you, not me.

christlovedeaf, you said, "This is more like stereotypical and prejudice thread here. There are some that are of anyone, not particular religions or whatever, its based on individual, not the whole."

I'll be blunt with you... you are definitely psychotic. I've observed your psychosis - you go on "sinning" as much as you can and then you get all worked up and get scared because you think God is angry and you rationalize that God is forgiving you and all that. That is PSYCHOSIS, christlovedeaf. I've been there. I WAS STUPID! I went psychotic thinking that I sinned against God and that I was NEVER good enough for God.

Seriously, I tell you.. you have a choice - you can be chained to the Bible and be a slave for God or be truly free knowing that God is just an imagination and be happy with this life, the only LIFE you've got.

Was it easy to become an athiest? No. It often takes a long time and you'll go psychotic as well.
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You are trying to resort to "you cannot prove a negative" fallacy. You made that claim and you HAVE to prove it. The burden is ON you, not me.

christlovedeaf, you said, "This is more like stereotypical and prejudice thread here. There are some that are of anyone, not particular religions or whatever, its based on individual, not the whole."

I'll be blunt with you... you are definitely psychotic. I've observed your psychosis - you go on "sinning" as much as you can and then you get all worked up and get scared because you think God is angry and you rationalize that God is forgiving you and all that. That is PSYCHOSIS, christlovedeaf. I've been there. I WAS STUPID! I went psychotic thinking that I sinned against God and that I was NEVER good enough for God.

Seriously, I tell you.. you have a choice - you can be chained to the Bible and be a slave for God or be truly free knowing that God is just an imagination and be happy with this life, the only LIFE you've got.

Was it easy to become an athiest? No. It often takes a long time and you'll go psychotic as well.

U know u may be right about me being psychotic 10 years ago when I was agnostic. I never understand what my body went thru and it scared hell out of me. Then I found God. It took me months to deal with chao with alot of energy come out of my body till He told me ( only work thru meditate stage) I am going to be allright. I finally found a doctor who listen to me and found my health problem so I am on medicine for rest of my life to keep one of my malfunction gland work properly. It was Jesus Christ who brought me back to life and protect me to this day. Now I do know how God works among us, not very many people understand how God work among us. That is where I am now, I am at peace with myself and with His help and guiding my life. So here I am and I am debate with u, why? I have no foggie idea why I am discussing it with u here on your thread. U try to help us but it won't make any different to any of us who already are Christians.
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You are trying to resort to "you cannot prove a negative" fallacy. You made that claim and you HAVE to prove it. The burden is ON you, not me.

christlovedeaf, you said, "This is more like stereotypical and prejudice thread here. There are some that are of anyone, not particular religions or whatever, its based on individual, not the whole."

I'll be blunt with you... you are definitely psychotic. I've observed your psychosis - you go on "sinning" as much as you can and then you get all worked up and get scared because you think God is angry and you rationalize that God is forgiving you and all that. That is PSYCHOSIS, christlovedeaf. I've been there. I WAS STUPID! I went psychotic thinking that I sinned against God and that I was NEVER good enough for God.

Seriously, I tell you.. you have a choice - you can be chained to the Bible and be a slave for God or be truly free knowing that God is just an imagination and be happy with this life, the only LIFE you've got.

Was it easy to become an athiest? No. It often takes a long time and you'll go psychotic as well.
well, byt saying " sin all you want", does not mean when someone struggling about the sin or weakest area. And by saying, " being afraid God will punish you" is also not the same level or thought how people see or feels. It is your opinion and what you have experience, as I see, are not the same as mine. And cutting yourself down by thinking you are stupid bec of "religion" isn't so. It is base on where you go, what you have been taught or anything, does not apply the same case on others. There is no need to bashing those people and thinking they in that, bec what you have gone thru. It's not so.
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Actually all the brilliant people who have profound influence on our thinking, education, technology, etc are often psychotic at times. Their writings often reveal their psychotic eposides.

Jesus was definitely psychotic... he wasn't consistent with his words, was convinced Satan was talking to him and all that. Of course, Christians would say Satan was real but the problem is that Satan is not real. It hasn't been proven whatsoever. Same with God.

So were all prophets... even as late as Joseph Smith... he was psychotic claiming to be recieving Word of God.

Yiffzer asked a good question: "Prove that they "suffer" from it when they are simply "spiritual"?"

I'd say that spirituality is an intellectual evaluation of religious psychosis.
So, if Jesus was psychotic and religious people suffer religious psychosis...

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So are we rewording what it means to receive a vision or a call from God?

You say that Satan does not exist and that were no proof to support the concept of Satan.

It's your turn: prove that Satan does not exist.
The same with God: prove God does not exist.

Good luck.
Prove that both do exist.
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I started as a Christian, raised as a Christian, was baptized, blah blah.

As I got educated about biology and evolution, I started to wonder, "Why is it incompatible with creationism?" Yes, I am very aware of many Christians saying they have no problem accepting evolution but at that time, I did have a problem with it because I was a Christian fundamentalist that believed in creation. As I became aware of my sexuality, I wondered why it's a sin because it just felt normal and natural to me. As I wanted to become hearing, I wondered why God hasn't healed my deafness.

We all pondered, "Why do we exist?" and "Why do we die?" and so forth. Being a bookworm, I read everything on religions, New Age, and skepticism. I mocked at athiests and agnostics thinking that they're lost souls doomed to go to hell.

Anyway, as years went by and I became more educated, I thought Christianity was NOT for me and decided to abandon the Chrisitan lifestyle. Evolution made a lot more sense to me, intellectually. The Bible started to sound silly.

Being fascinated with the brain chemistry and how drugs can alter your thinking, I decided to experiment with mind-altering drugs (LSD, mushrooms, pot, etc). After few trips to the unknown, they literally made me realize that there is no "truth" whatsoever. It's all about perception. It got me very depressed. The trips were definitely psychotic... way psychotic! I finally understood why some religious people experience "oneness" and some other metaphysical expereinces.

However, a personal metaphysical experience does NOT make it true. For example, you may hear about people experiencing NDE. Those people are SO certain they spoke to God or saw Jesus or whatever. And what's so fascinating about NDEs you hear is that they are so alike, that you'd say, "no one can hallucinate about the same thing therefore it must be true." Now, that's a myth. Hallucinations can be the same across the populations. For example, LSD has consistently produced the same hallucinations that aren't found in other drugs. For example, PCP produces "warping" effects while LSD produces "melting" effects. LSD users often see inaminate objects come alive while PCP users don't see that. When your brain is starved of oxygen, it will cause hallucinations that are pretty the same among all populations. Lack of oxygen agitates the brain molecules enough that it can induce hallucinations.

When scientists inserted electrodes into brains of depressed patients, they get happy. Naturally, ethics prevent us from trying on different brain parts that affect our memory, our emotions, our "filter" etc but we know from research that damage to those areas change the personalities of victims dramatically.

Scientists also discovered that religious people had different brain activities than non-religious people. They scanned them with MRI to measure the activities and noticed some differences. Even prayer or meditation will induce physical changes. Guess what? It doesn't matter which religion a person belongs to, the effect is the same!

It's common for agnostics or nonbeleivers to become religious through traumatic periods. They want to believe their life is worth a lot more than just a pure existence.

If a person tells you, "I won craps and made $2000" and tells you that his system works, would you believe it? More than likely, yes unless you have a strong grasp of statistics and mathematical odds to know better. Yet, psychotic people have used them to prove something that's pure baloney. For example, The Bible Code is an example of how a psychotic author used math to "prove" even though it was already disproven and virtually useless. Scientists used the same algorithm to try the Constitution and the Constitution "predicted" Bill Clinton and 9-11 so it must be prophetic!

Selective memory is another factor that make us supersitutious or religious. For example, if a person prays that God heal his cancer and his cancer went away, he'll say, "GOD HEALED ME!!!" and many people, ignorant of statistics and science behind medicine, would quickly attribute to the healing power of God. But you know what? Most people did not know that cancers do spontatously go away and their religious beliefs make no difference at all. Muslims have praised Allah, Christians have praised Jesus, Jews have praised God for the healing powers. Atheists exclaim, "I'm so lucky!"

But if one gets cancer and dies, people are quick to forget the prayers asking for cancer to go away and move on. If you have a fever and you ask God to heal you, your fever goes away and you say, "God healed me!" but you're gonna be healed without praying as well. No athiest would proclaim, "God healed me!" and that lack of proclaimation is so easy to forget while a person SCREAMING God's praise is more memorable!

Psychosis is everywehere, we all expereince it.
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You are trying to resort to "you cannot prove a negative" fallacy. You made that claim and you HAVE to prove it. The burden is ON you, not me.
I am aware of that but if you so adamantly believe there is no God or Satan, then I only ask you to prove that. I actually haven't found convincing proof of an Atheist's proof of the non-existence of God.

Please keep in mind that I am actually very neutral of the idea of God. My point was that neither side can prove it. Then becomes a toss up.

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Seriously, I tell you.. you have a choice - you can be chained to the Bible and be a slave for God or be truly free knowing that God is just an imagination and be happy with this life, the only LIFE you've got.
That's funny. When I studied the Qur'an, I felt free and saw things at a higher level rather than feeling "chained" and "enslaved". Maybe you're the one experiencing the side effects of misguidance.

You think you're happy with your one life that you have but perhaps you may not realize the toll it has on society if everyone becomes non-deist. Actually, I want to introduce something controversial which I haven't yet proven. A theory: Religious people actually keep the world in balance and check. Yes, go shoot that theory down as hard as you want...

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Was it easy to become an athiest? No. It often takes a long time and you'll go psychotic as well.
Been there, done that. Pretty worthless, IMO. Basically, the best thing about being an Atheist is the guilt-free consumption of all the forbidden things in this world. But really, it's such a big loss for something that's practically worthless in the long run.

But it's all an if rhetoric question, isn't it?
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I started as a Christian, raised as a Christian, was baptized, blah blah.

As I got educated about biology and evolution, I started to wonder, "Why is it incompatible with creationism?" Yes, I am very aware of many Christians saying they have no problem accepting evolution but at that time, I did have a problem with it because I was a Christian fundamentalist that believed in creation. As I became aware of my sexuality, I wondered why it's a sin because it just felt normal and natural to me. As I wanted to become hearing, I wondered why God hasn't healed my deafness.

We all pondered, "Why do we exist?" and "Why do we die?" and so forth. Being a bookworm, I read everything on religions, New Age, and skepticism. I mocked at athiests and agnostics thinking that they're lost souls doomed to go to hell.

Anyway, as years went by and I became more educated, I thought Christianity was NOT for me and decided to abandon the Chrisitan lifestyle. Evolution made a lot more sense to me, intellectually. The Bible started to sound silly.

Being fascinated with the brain chemistry and how drugs can alter your thinking, I decided to experiment with mind-altering drugs (LSD, mushrooms, pot, etc). After few trips to the unknown, they literally made me realize that there is no "truth" whatsoever. It's all about perception. It got me very depressed. The trips were definitely psychotic... way psychotic! I finally understood why some religious people experience "oneness" and some other metaphysical expereinces.

However, a personal metaphysical experience does NOT make it true. For example, you may hear about people experiencing NDE. Those people are SO certain they spoke to God or saw Jesus or whatever. And what's so fascinating about NDEs you hear is that they are so alike, that you'd say, "no one can hallucinate about the same thing therefore it must be true." Now, that's a myth. Hallucinations can be the same across the populations. For example, LSD has consistently produced the same hallucinations that aren't found in other drugs. For example, PCP produces "warping" effects while LSD produces "melting" effects. LSD users often see inaminate objects come alive while PCP users don't see that. When your brain is starved of oxygen, it will cause hallucinations that are pretty the same among all populations. Lack of oxygen agitates the brain molecules enough that it can induce hallucinations.

When scientists inserted electrodes into brains of depressed patients, they get happy. Naturally, ethics prevent us from trying on different brain parts that affect our memory, our emotions, our "filter" etc but we know from research that damage to those areas change the personalities of victims dramatically.

Scientists also discovered that religious people had different brain activities than non-religious people. They scanned them with MRI to measure the activities and noticed some differences. Even prayer or meditation will induce physical changes. Guess what? It doesn't matter which religion a person belongs to, the effect is the same!

It's common for agnostics or nonbeleivers to become religious through traumatic periods. They want to believe their life is worth a lot more than just a pure existence.

If a person tells you, "I won craps and made $2000" and tells you that his system works, would you believe it? More than likely, yes unless you have a strong grasp of statistics and mathematical odds to know better. Yet, psychotic people have used them to prove something that's pure baloney. For example, The Bible Code is an example of how a psychotic author used math to "prove" even though it was already disproven and virtually useless. Scientists used the same algorithm to try the Constitution and the Constitution "predicted" Bill Clinton and 9-11 so it must be prophetic!

Selective memory is another factor that make us supersitutious or religious. For example, if a person prays that God heal his cancer and his cancer went away, he'll say, "GOD HEALED ME!!!" and many people, ignorant of statistics and science behind medicine, would quickly attribute to the healing power of God. But you know what? Most people did not know that cancers do spontatously go away and their religious beliefs make no difference at all. Muslims have praised Allah, Christians have praised Jesus, Jews have praised God for the healing powers. Atheists exclaim, "I'm so lucky!"

But if one gets cancer and dies, people are quick to forget the prayers asking for cancer to go away and move on. If you have a fever and you ask God to heal you, your fever goes away and you say, "God healed me!" but you're gonna be healed without praying as well. No athiest would proclaim, "God healed me!" and that lack of proclaimation is so easy to forget while a person SCREAMING God's praise is more memorable!

Psychosis is everywehere, we all expereince it.
Sorry to break it to you, but it still does not disprove the existence of God. Actually, this can be very well be a justification to prove God's power.
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I started as a Christian, raised as a Christian, was baptized, blah blah.

As I got educated about biology and evolution, I started to wonder, "Why is it incompatible with creationism?" Yes, I am very aware of many Christians saying they have no problem accepting evolution but at that time, I did have a problem with it because I was a Christian fundamentalist that believed in creation. As I became aware of my sexuality, I wondered why it's a sin because it just felt normal and natural to me. As I wanted to become hearing, I wondered why God hasn't healed my deafness.

We all pondered, "Why do we exist?" and "Why do we die?" and so forth. Being a bookworm, I read everything on religions, New Age, and skepticism. I mocked at athiests and agnostics thinking that they're lost souls doomed to go to hell.

Anyway, as years went by and I became more educated, I thought Christianity was NOT for me and decided to abandon the Chrisitan lifestyle. Evolution made a lot more sense to me, intellectually. The Bible started to sound silly.

Being fascinated with the brain chemistry and how drugs can alter your thinking, I decided to experiment with mind-altering drugs (LSD, mushrooms, pot, etc). After few trips to the unknown, they literally made me realize that there is no "truth" whatsoever. It's all about perception. It got me very depressed. The trips were definitely psychotic... way psychotic! I finally understood why some religious people experience "oneness" and some other metaphysical expereinces.

However, a personal metaphysical experience does NOT make it true. For example, you may hear about people experiencing NDE. Those people are SO certain they spoke to God or saw Jesus or whatever. And what's so fascinating about NDEs you hear is that they are so alike, that you'd say, "no one can hallucinate about the same thing therefore it must be true." Now, that's a myth. Hallucinations can be the same across the populations. For example, LSD has consistently produced the same hallucinations that aren't found in other drugs. For example, PCP produces "warping" effects while LSD produces "melting" effects. LSD users often see inaminate objects come alive while PCP users don't see that. When your brain is starved of oxygen, it will cause hallucinations that are pretty the same among all populations. Lack of oxygen agitates the brain molecules enough that it can induce hallucinations.

When scientists inserted electrodes into brains of depressed patients, they get happy. Naturally, ethics prevent us from trying on different brain parts that affect our memory, our emotions, our "filter" etc but we know from research that damage to those areas change the personalities of victims dramatically.

Scientists also discovered that religious people had different brain activities than non-religious people. They scanned them with MRI to measure the activities and noticed some differences. Even prayer or meditation will induce physical changes. Guess what? It doesn't matter which religion a person belongs to, the effect is the same!

It's common for agnostics or nonbeleivers to become religious through traumatic periods. They want to believe their life is worth a lot more than just a pure existence.

If a person tells you, "I won craps and made $2000" and tells you that his system works, would you believe it? More than likely, yes unless you have a strong grasp of statistics and mathematical odds to know better. Yet, psychotic people have used them to prove something that's pure baloney. For example, The Bible Code is an example of how a psychotic author used math to "prove" even though it was already disproven and virtually useless. Scientists used the same algorithm to try the Constitution and the Constitution "predicted" Bill Clinton and 9-11 so it must be prophetic!

Selective memory is another factor that make us supersitutious or religious. For example, if a person prays that God heal his cancer and his cancer went away, he'll say, "GOD HEALED ME!!!" and many people, ignorant of statistics and science behind medicine, would quickly attribute to the healing power of God. But you know what? Most people did not know that cancers do spontatously go away and their religious beliefs make no difference at all. Muslims have praised Allah, Christians have praised Jesus, Jews have praised God for the healing powers. Atheists exclaim, "I'm so lucky!"

But if one gets cancer and dies, people are quick to forget the prayers asking for cancer to go away and move on. If you have a fever and you ask God to heal you, your fever goes away and you say, "God healed me!" but you're gonna be healed without praying as well. No athiest would proclaim, "God healed me!" and that lack of proclaimation is so easy to forget while a person SCREAMING God's praise is more memorable!

Psychosis is everywehere, we all expereince it.
netrox, THIS POST IS EXCELLENT TRUE!!!

May I add few words on this?

For explain, If prison officer put chain cuffs on imate and threw imate with it into small cell hole for 3 or 5 days. How can imate to bow to pray in small cell hole? you know impossbile for imate to pray in damn small cell hole to God like jesus walk and pray at privcay place without cuffs.

Result, imate would turn into hallication automatic while he in damn small cell hole for 5 days or a week.

PRAYER IS NOTHING ANSWER..

PRAYER WHICH MEANING BEGGER! it is plain and simple!
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