Yiffzer

Books? I used NIV and KJV. How are they wrong? Almost all Christians I know use the KJV.
You understand that the Torah is part of the Bible? It is surprising that you would completely disregard the Old Testament.
You know, it's funny that you see third party narration proclaiming Jesus as God but there is no first person account [of Jesus] saying such a thing. If you don't see that, then your Bible must've omitted or changed these verses into something else. That says a lot about your "infallible" Bible, yes? The point is that pretty much every Bible today are unreliable and you can't refute that considering many leading Christian scholars admitting that themselves!

"Not so the New testament. There is condensation and editing; there is choice reproduction and witness. The Gospels have come through the mind of the church behind the authors. They represent experience and history." -Kenneth Cragg; Bishop of Anglican Archdiocese of Jerusalem

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Yiffzer

Prove it.

Maria

You still haven't answered to my previous post with scriptures I provided. Cat caught your tongue ?

Yiffzer

You present your verses without knowing whether the Bible is true. You must prove your Bible is reliable and true to God's words before you can begin using the verses. If it were never true in the first place, why even discuss this?

But I will answer your two verses (because I'm nice :p).

1) I know this refers to God's Flesh (Jesus). But please be aware that it is easy to refute this claim as a flawed or altered translation.
2) I know this is just one of the many verses related to Jesus being God. But please be aware, it is still like any other verses that are easily questionable in its authenticity.

Mistyrose

Huh? We, that includes YOU, were born sinners! dont you
understand that?
We have to accept Jesus in our lives to be forgiven for our sins
and transgressions.
If you dont believe that, fine! Thats your prerogative, period!
Wait till Judgement Day, you will be very sorry if you dont
accept Jesus in your life.
Thats all im gonna say and i will not argue with you or anybody
else!

Yiffzer

This tells me you lack wisdom.

If you fear God, you will be aware of God so that you will attempt to not sin. If you do not fear God, then you will be sympathetic to the thought that God is entirely forgiving so you will continue to sin, based on the lame concept of, "We are sinners!" From there I see no effort from you into perfecting your very self for God and God alone.

I can say the same thing to you: "Accept Islam! If you don't, wait 'til Judgment day! You will be very sorry if you don't accept Islam as your religion!"

Don't pull that lame threat with me.

VamPyroX

There is a lot to tell about God... but there is no definite truth. It's only the truth if people believe it, but for me... it's when I see it.There is no picture... period. There was no actual painting done, nothing. For all we know, God could be black... white... yellow... red... brown... In fact, he might even have a black head, white chest, yellow arms, red legs, and brown hair! Oh, eh could be bald! Oh, he could be she! Oh, she probably doesn't exist... period. I'll believe it when I see it. According to my overly-religious parents, he was already there. I think that's bullshit. Everything has a beginning. You're not "just there". As for siblings, try researching on Greek and Roman gods. They all had siblings. Perhaps, God had a brother and/or a sister. Fake. If he was real, he was probably someone from space or from the future... abusing his superior technology towards those who were dumb and inferior. That's what it seems like. He probably had "mental-sex" with her and caused her to get pregnant. However, what would you call it if someone got you pregnant without your knowledge or without your permission? Some would call it rape or false impregnation. If that is the case, God committed a major sin! How do you die in heaven? If that was the case, he went to heaven and then died. Oh, wait... God is supposedly immortal, he doesn't die. Unless, he's fake... and did die... which would explain why he suddenly disappeared or stop being involved with the affairs in the beginning of the New Testament. What religion could he possibly have? If he had a religion, then there would be a huge issue between Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Pentacostal, etc. Let's just say that he's multi-denominational. Of course, God knew Satan... God created Satan! That's what religious fanatics say. You're probably right. God was probably fake and Jesus was probably real. Of course, Jesus was probably a con artist and knew how to exploit people's weaknesses. If I knew you were gullible, I could easily approach you and come up with a lie that you would believe instantly. Jesus was probably an educated scientist who knew some things that people didn't know. If you read the Bible, it jumps from childhood to adulthood. Where was he during the teenhood? He was probably elsewhere getting educated and took advantage of this kind of education against others. Jesus made wine? So can we! Jesus walked on water? It was probably ice that was floating inches under the water. (I read an article on this.)

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Reba

You are too funny!

Blade Runner

So are you saying Indiana Jones does not get its stories from religious lore?

Reba

I wasn't talking about anyone surrendering pride to Christians. I'm talking about surrendering pride to Jesus.

His beliefs are his choice. Anyway, he can speak for himself.

Let Yiffzer speak for himself.

Except in math, publishing, photography, and coin collecting.

I never claimed to be perfect. Far from it.

Don't sweat the small stuff.

Blade Runner

And Yiffy doesn't want to surrender his pride to Jesus. Why? Because he is a Jew. He worships a different kind of prophet. With that said, would you feel be inclined to call him a sinner based on this? If so, then your views of religion is incredibly misguided. It is no surprise why so many Christians would easily oppose you.
If it's Yiffy's choice, then why are you condemning him for doing so? You are trying to force a person of a different faith to see things your way. God does not like that.


Yeah because you enjoy the fact that he can make you feel insignificant in terms of philosophical messages.

Then why do you act like you're better than Yiffy when it comes to religion? Quite a paradox you've created there, Reba.

I'll close this post with something Yiffzer would enjoy:

May Allah be with you on this long journey that you're about to embark on.

Reba

I don't think he "worships" a prophet but it's up to him to say. Why don't you let him speak for himself? He's a big boy.

No, he is a sinner because everyone is a sinner, myself included. We are all sinners, no more, no less.

Whatever.

I don't "condemn" him. I hold no ill feelings towards him, or you, for that matter. I don't wish eternal condemnation on anyone.

I can't "force" anyone to believe; it's the responsibility of the Holy Spirit to convict hearts.

How do you know what God likes?

Yeah, that's it.


I'm no better than anyone, and I'm a lot worse than many. If anyone is doing any "creating", it's you.

Blade Runner

He is welcome to join in anytime however, he is a college student. He doesn't have time to deal with you each time you make a tirade.

If everyone sinned, then there would be no Heaven, only Hell. Think about what you're trying to get across to me.
Really? This from the woman who tried to force that ficitious "Jesus is God" crap down Yiffy's throat.
And who is the holy spirit?
Because it is stated in the bible both OT and NT, God likes it when everyone can get along and accept each other's beliefs. On the other hand, you are not doing a great job at that.

What have I created? I am only a mortal man.

Be Well.

EagleCherokee63

If you read Bible then you will understand better. You said who is the Holy Spirit? You can read My thread who is God?

Blade Runner

The Holy Spirit is not Jesus that's all I know.

Be well.

Yiffzer

If you were given the choice, who would you pray to first? God or Jesus? Just say either God or Jesus. No explanation necessary. Just wondering. There is no ill fate against you.

EagleCherokee63

Who is God?

#307 Read there!

EagleCherokee63

You confused what you said God or Jesus??? Jesus Christ is God!

EagleCherokee63

Holy Spirit, Father and Jesus Christ (son) =Trinity, you have freezing ice, hot water & tap water all 3 into 1 thing. Jesus is REIGN! in the heaven now.

Holy Spirit, Father and Son become one!
King of Kings and Lord of Lords Revelation 19:16

Yiffzer

I said Jesus or God?

Yiffzer

To someone who claimed that Jesus did miracles. Moses did too. That proves Moses is God too.

Reba

Do you have a dictionary? If not, use dictionary.com and look up "tirade".

Romans 3
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 5
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Romans 6
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Acts 3
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

I John 5
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Do you even read these posts? Your statements aren't even grounded in the reality of what I post. Who brought up the topic in the first place? Not me.

The Holy Spirit is one of the members of the Triune Godhead--the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Which verses?

Are you sure you're not confusing God with Rodney King? ("Can't we all just get along?")

You are creating false statements about what I have posted. Mortal men have no problem lying and misrepresenting others.

It won't work because intelligent people can read all my posts and see for themselves what I really posted.

Reba

Are you aware that Indiana Jones isn't even a real person?

EagleCherokee63

if you believe Jesus Christ the Saviour and You will go to Heaven when you die anytime. John 3:16 Famous verse in the World!!!

If you wont accepted Jesus Christ then you will not see HIM! and not heaven.
That's why Jesus Christ died on the cross for YOUR SIN!! because You are sin against God! You nail against Jesus on the cross!

what you know Jesus's face look like in heaven?

Look Bible said Revelation 19:12-16

12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

AWESOME! His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, white Wool His hair.... HOLY! Hallelujah!!! Jesus Christ! AMEN!

EagleCherokee63

Mose is not God! Mose was obey and followed to Lord!

Yiffzer

Prove it. What if he really is God but he won't admit it?

Yiffzer

Why are you rehashing stuff from the Bible? I have the Bible. Don't tell me useless stuff that I already know.

I'll have you know, if I were religious, I would already believe in Jesus Christ, except I will worship God alone and respect Jesus. As long as I believe in Jesus Christ, I'll be "saved", yes? But remember, I will be praying to God alone.

Why is it that you can't say the same? After all "God" and "Jesus" are all the same entity right?

Reba

I don't think you're stupid or bad, and that is absolutely NOT what I wanted to pm to Deafinoregon. I want to pm something else to Deafinoregon but he (she?) is not accepting pm's. I don't know how to contact Deafinoregon except thru this thread, and I'm hoping that he/she will read this and contact me. That's why I posted that.

I don't mean that Deafinoregon was scaring you; I know that you are tough. I just thought Deafinoregon's comments were too harsh.

I'm sorry if I offended you.

We don't agree about many things but I certainly don't believe you are a stupid or bad person.

EagleCherokee63

You not read it Bible clear.

Yiffzer

That shows how unwise you are.