Yiffzer

So I guess you're disagreeing with me and the Gospel of Barnabas and the Bible scholars, great!

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Yiffzer

Or the New Testament?

That doesn't explain why Jesus prayed nor does it explain why Jesus said that quote.

That's fine but it still doesn't make Jesus as God. The Bible prophesized Prophet Muhammad coming as well. That doesn't make him God as well.

Jesus came in with promises of abolishing war and attaining peace for the world. He did not fulfill many of them! He is surely no Messiah (not until the second coming anyway).

It is believed that other people wrote in the book of Isaiah. That would hardly hold credibility of Christ. Also, if you go back to the Hebrew language, much of the words in the Bible would be completely different (e.g. Jesus not being God). Don't forget that Isaiah called everyone "son of God" which actually means "servant of God". Apparently Jesus was the servant of God too!

Prove that he has not done any sins.

Why is it that the Jews have always prayed to God in personal time but suddenly Jesus comes in and proclaims him as the only way through God? Sounds like a bit of cheap marketing.

Yiffzer

"Son of God" meant servant of God.
"Holy Spirit" meant angel(s).
"Father" meant God.

shel90

I really enjoy reading all these different points of views from christlovedeaf and Yiffzer. I wish I can participate but I have VERY limited knowledge about the Bible. These postings help me look at it from an objective point of view and helps me to learn more about the Bible without people screaming at me about going to hell. . However...go easy with the insults or this thread wil be locked. This is becoming interesting and it wud be a shame if it got locked so pls go easy on the insults.

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christlovedeaf

NOPITY NOPE, THAT IS WHERE RELIGIOUS LEADERS WERE BLINDED AND DID YOU KNOW THERE IS DIFFERENT BELIEFS BTWN SADDUCCEES AND PHARISEES. SADDUCEES DOES NOT BELIEVE LIFE AFTER DEATH, BUT PHARISEES DOES. JOHN THE BAPTIST CALLED THEM POISON VIPERS AND EVEN JESUS SAID. AND DID YOU KNOW EVEN ISAIAH TALKED ABOUT JOHN THE BAPTIST BEFORE JESUS COMES? ITS ALL WRITTEN IN IT. IN THE OT HAVE NOTHING CONNECTING OF MOHAMMED. AND DON'T GET ME WRONG, THATS WHATS FRUSTRATING BEC I KNOW SOME CHRISTIANS GRABBING THROATS AND ETC, BUT IM NOT THAT KIND. TRY TO PUT BETTER WORD HOW TO MAKE IT KNOWN, THAT I DON'T. BUT BY SAYING, YOU IGNORANT, OR STUPID, OR ALL THE NAME CALLING I REFUSE TO DO. TRY TO MAKE IT MORE APPROPRIATE HOW TO MAKE A POINT OF VIEW THE REASON I BELIEVE AND SOME OTHERS ALSO

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christlovedeaf

No, it does not. But yes, Son of God and also called Him, Son of Man. When Jesus and the disciples was together, Jesus represent as a Servant, bec He is teaching how we should live, but Peter, at first, refuse, bec Jesus is not a Servant and Jesus said, if you refuse, you are not part of Him (Jesus). God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit as in Genesis, "Let US...", Who is US? Even Jesus said, I was there with Abraham. Religious leaders puzzled. Jesus said' You not read?" That's where driving religious leaders mad and thinking its blasphemy and called God the Father. There is soo much described who Jesus is.

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christlovedeaf

It's good for you to participate and I know what you mean, but as insult, it isnt my way. It's good to share point of views. I know i have seen the name calling, but I refuse to do so.

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Blade Runner

No, we are discussing what it's like to be a Christian.

Did I say, "Tirades does include swearing all the time?" No, it is quite easy to make a rant without swearing at all.

Apparently, it is to you (regarding popularity contests)

Blade Runner

You're welcome, SxyPorkie.

Yiffzer

The Qur'an uses "We" and "Us" and still does not promote Jesus to the level of God. So? You're still relying on scriptures that itself is being questioned as whether if it's valid or not. Have you ever looked at the ancient original gospels?

I'm curious. Did Jesus have any wife or any child?

Levonian

So you wanna see God, huh? Glad to oblige.

Yiffzer

Can you at least quote correctly? And stop using caps. I can't even follow along in that style.

To the average guy, the OT contradicts the NT. Can you understand why?

You're going off the point. You're not addressing my question about why Jesus prays and why Jesus said that everyone, including him, isn't good except God.

That's a bit off the point.

And I'm not disputing that. Can you make clear of this?:

"The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies." Isaiah 42:13

If I'm wrong, can you tell me what these verses refer to?:

"He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you." (John 16:14)
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." (John 14:26)
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me." (John 15:26)
"The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken." (Deuteronomy 18:15)

Be well.

Maria

I am talkin' about YOU individually. I disagree with YOU, period. I know you believe in Koran and I don't believe that Mohammed was chosen by God. Mohammed was NEEEVER crucified on the cross. Jesus was. Jesus DIED for ALL mankind and purchased people thru His Blood.

Questions for you :

Do you believe there's resurrection of bodies ? Do you believe in paradise includes a garden populated with houris, maidens designed by Allah to provide sexual pleasures to righteous men ?

Yiffzer

Unfortunately by your wild imagination, it is not just me you are disagreeing with. You are disagreeing with my evidence that supports me against your case of Jesus being God. And that evidence consists of the multitude of gospels that was somehow chosen to not be a part of the Bible along with credited Bible scholars (who are both Christians and non-Christians) that agree the Bible is flawed in its current state. Who are you, a non-scholar, to argue against them?

You know that I believe in the Qur'an? How did you come to the conclusion of two things?: you knowing, and you knowing that I believe?

Give me proof that he wasn't. Have you ever read the Qur'an?

Tell me something that I don't know. Even still, what's your point? There is no relevance. There is no prerequisite of being crucified on a cross in order to be God. All you are doing is relying on is the Bible. Unfortunately, by judging you of your posts, that is all you know.

The problem is, you have me confused with believing when I have not yet stated my faith. But as far as my studies go, I will only believe what goes by religious texts. By the way, you can refer Allah to God for it means the same.

Yes, bodies will be resurrected to God on the Day of Judgment.
If God grants it, then it will be true.
Women also get their reward in paradise.

Be well.

Mistyrose

OHHHH! No dang wonder!! I didnt know that Yiffzer is an Muslim!
Nooo wonder!! that did solve the mystery...He only believes in Allah, not
God!! Oh yeah, the Muslims do believe that when they die, they will
will meet seven beautiful virgins in Heaven.
And i dont know why Yiffzer and other Muslims come in here and argue
with us Christians who believe in God and Jesus, really cuz we have different
beliefs so we need to respect other people's religions instead of arguing
and belitting and all. Why go on and on cuz we will never agree on cuz
the Muslims only believe in Allah not God so there is no point in arguing with
these people, really, just a waste of bandwith...geeeeez! Agree?

Reba

No.

Reba

If I ever rant, you will know it, believe me. So far, no rants.

Not at all. Do you see me asking for anyone's approval or support?

I graduated from junior high school a looooooong time ago. School yard cliques are of no interest to me.

Reba

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with you and the so-called "gospel" of Barnabas, and even some Bible "scholars." This isn't a theocratic dictatorship.

If Christians can't "force" the Bible down the throats of unbelievers, then why should unbelievers be allowed to "force" their philosophies down the throats of Christians? Fair is fair.

christlovedeaf

The fact is, no, He did not have a wife and/or child. And that as a christians/jews are mainline from Isaac as Mohammed is mainline of Ishmael, and the problem between them two always in conflict.

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Reba

Really? Where is that in the Bible?

Do you mean this?

Reveleation 16
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Revelation 19
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 20
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


Jesus was the only "begotten" Son:

John 1:14, 18; 3:16, 18; I John 4:9


I trust the Bible. Jesus had to be sinless to become the sacrifice acceptable to God.

Can you prove that Jesus committed any sins? No.

It wasn't "sudden". Read Hebrews 11, the whole chapter. Jesus Christ has always been the way, and the patriarchs of the Old Testament knew it.

Reba

Which is what?

VamPyroX

So... Spirit:Father:Son = Solid:Liquid:Gas... meaning Jesus is gas?

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christlovedeaf

1)Sorry about that, I don't know how to highlight each questions, so that is the reason I capitalized the answer after each questions, so, you can spot my answer easier. Sorry that I upset you in this way. 2)Tell me, how can OT and NT be contradict to you? 3) Remember, the reason He prayed to His Father, bec He gave up His Glory and authority, and during His time of solitary moments is bec He and His Father are in the business. Jesus refuse to give into Satan's power, bec Satan himself war against Him to block salvation for all mankind. So Jesus overcame the power of death(spiritual death), hell ( that chained on people) and all other evil forces. That is why Jesus prayed. But like Lord's Prayer and etc, He is teaching the proper way of praying. 4) Jesus is not like cheap marketing, Jesus does not "butt in" and interfere jews prayers. Remember, a woman at the well? The problem is jews think Jerusalem where God is, so Samaritan worship God in Samaria. But Jesus said, true worshipper is worshipping in Spirit and Truth. Most jews praying "egoistic" prayers. Jesus see in their hearts of darkness and filthy of sins in them. 5) If you read the whole passage on Isaiah 42, remember God is a jealous God, not the same term or way of jealousy as us, His jealousy is pure and like the Temple, jews perverted God's House, and they were selling and buying and ripping off, which lead the anger of the Lord. He is LIKE a mighty army leader. He is driven the power of sin 6) all the verses you quoted what Jesus is saying, as a Prophet is not the same as a prophets. He is saying that, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, all working together, and the point is? Salvation. For? All mankind. Why call Jesus the Sacrificial Lamb? Throughout the OT, where jews had many different kind of sacrifices. That's pictured exactly the point of why Jesus gave up His authority to become human like us, nailed on the cross shed pure, sinless blood for sacrifices to bore all our sins as in describing in Isaiah 53. smile

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Blade Runner

Sorry, but you have ranted about how I and Yiffy are both "wrong."

Unfortunately, these cliques are still being employed here at alldeaf. I'm just being honest about this forum. You're in a virtual schoolyard where Alex is the principal patrolling to see if one of us will crack.

Mistyrose

lol! Tousi, hun...snot-nosed or not, not all them are kids, heh!

Reba

Compared to Tousi and me, they are kids.

PePe LePew

I have a KJV Bible ..it never says Jesus is God! Hmmmmm

PePe LePew

Alex ...

Wouldn't it be better to take the Religion Forum out, people just never stop fighting with each other who's right and who's wrong...

It's getting out of hands and it's very tiresome...

Bothersome to many also it would brings more peace is to take out the Religons Forum out, wouldn't you agree ?

Thank you!

Maria

Yes, it says that He is. Ask ChristLoveDeaf, Reba, and a few of others. They will be able to tell you. They understood these scriptures pretty much as I do. I am not the only one to believe that Jesus is God.

Maria

Well, if it really bothers you so much ... then, why should you come in here for ? Go and find elsewhere that may be interested you. I am sure others will tell you the same thing.