Who is God? - Page 16

netrox · 03-27-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

Qft ?????

Quite F*cking True! LOL!

Well, close.... Quoted For Truth.

SxyPorkie · 03-27-2007, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by netrox

Quite F*cking True! LOL!

Well, close.... Quoted For Truth.

You're funny...LOL
Thank you very much...

**Reba** · 03-27-2007, 07:15 PM

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...But let's use Genesis! The issue is that you read the entire Bible literally, word for word. You are effectively missing the key points or ideas of the Genesis account. You are ignoring the idea of time that is repeatedly said in Genesis. You are missing the idea of the progress in Genesis. Has it ever occurred to you that it may be "six days" to God but millions of years to you?

Has it every occurred to you that when God said "six days", He meant "six days"?

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Certainly you are an extreme fraction of the entire lifespan of the universe. Everyone knows it is impossible to create something, even for us, so massive (the universe) in six days.

Ummm, it's impossible for anyone or thing other than God to create a universe, period, regardless of how much time is factored in. Anyone (that is, God) who has the power to create a universe can do it in whatever timespan He deems best. He chose six days.

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Science does not go along with this.

Too bad. Someday science will catch up.

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Instead it could be six eras. The universe is constantly expanding and since the beginning, it has been six eras so far.

Ah, "it could be six eras". "Could be" and "is" aren't the same thing.

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15,750,000,000 years which is coincidently right around the mark of scientific estimates of how old this universe is (if you do not understand why I did the calculations, refer to the Hubble Law).

Coincidental indeed.

So, what was happening before that time?

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Yet Creationists (Christians like yourself) believe the Earth is a few thousand years old. :<

Yeah.

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God has given you a brain. Use all your senses and reason with them. Instead of dismissing science based on an emotional response or lack of knowledge, accept science for it has helped introduce a new era of knowledge in the light of God's mastery of creation.

"Must accept science, must accept science, must accept science . . ."

No thanks.

You can believe that I am "dismissing science based on an emotional response" if that suits your ego and need for superiority. I don't want to deprive you of your pleasure.

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Note that I never dismissed the fact God created the universe! When you create something, it takes time to build such a creation.

For God it took only six days, yes.

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1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

:::Creation is evolution.

God created something out of nothing, instantaneously. Where's the evolution in that?

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2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

:::Movement determines evolution.

How so?

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3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

:::The progress of light coming onto Earth.

It wasn't progressive; it was instantaneous.

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4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

:::Another form of progress.

5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

All the events were instantaneous, without gradual changes. God created each layer perfectly the first time. No trial and error, no corrections. Nothing needed improvement. Each layer that God created was "good".

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6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

:::Suddenly water came. Another form of progression. Evolution in the works.

Part of the definition of evolution is gradual change. Where's the gradual change?

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7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

:::God made the firmament, which takes time and evolution into account.

8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Again, no gradual change.

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9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

:::Finally, land became habitable - another form of evolution.

Again, no gradual change.

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10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

It was good. No need for improvement.

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11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

:::And why do you think grass came forward? Evolution.

God put the grass there as grass; it didn't development from some other material. God put the individual herbs and trees there, bearing seeds and fruit of their own species, not any intermediate species. They were complete, mature, ready to eat.

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12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

It was good--perfect.

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13And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

:::Came the development (which requires time and therefore evolution) of seasons!

God spoke them into existence immediately; no gradual changes or long times involved.

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15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

:::As hard as it is to understand this verse, it still shows movement of light and the stars.

God assigned the celestial lights their places and orbits; they weren't gradually developed.

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17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

Explaining their purpose.

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19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

:::Wow, I wonder how animals came along! Evolution from water (life)!

They were all created in one same day, the sea creatures in the sea, the birds in the air, and the land animals on the land; one group didn't move from one environment to another. The sea creatures stayed in the sea, the birds stayed in the air, and the land animals stayed on the land. No creatures changed from one group to another.

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21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Each creature was after its own kind (species). One species didn't become another.

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22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

:::A hint! Multiplied! Evolution requires passing down genes and what do you think multiplying does?

Evolution requires passing down genes but passing down genes does not require evolution. People have been passing down genes for thousands of years but they're still people. There's no evolution happening in that process. No new species popping up.

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23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Again, each species after its own kind.

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26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

:::Finally, after a long time of time and progress, man finally appeared. And certainly God did create man since evolution was also His creation!

Man was created totally separate from the animals. He was created in God's image. He was created in a manner different from the animals. Man was not the result of "a long time of time and progress", and he didn't just "appear".

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27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

::lenty of hints here.

Really? Where?

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29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

:::Almost every verse shows a sign of continuous growth and multiplication.

No, each verse shows specific creation acts; there's no "growth" or multiplication during the six days. The first generation of all living things are established during the six days. The multiplying happens in the subsequent generations.

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Take care.

Yiffzer · 03-27-2007, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

Qft ?????

Quoted For Truth.

Ahh, truth! There you are...

EagleCherokee63 · 03-27-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

In Evolution... they did found Dinosouri (sp) bones or fossils whatever they called... and even found huge egg.. dont know if it belonged to Dinosouri....

It not true!

EagleCherokee63 · 03-27-2007, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by netrox

Once again, you don't get it, obviously. Their complaints are 100% valid.

Supposedly, an atheist says, "Theologians like Reba and CS Lewis argue over the Bible. It proves that the Bible is not true!"

Would you think that is so stupid? That's exactly what creationists are doing.

Please read my thread #1 you not read it. Do not bashing!

Yiffzer · 03-27-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Has it every occurred to you that when God said "six days", He meant "six days"?

If the entire Bible were to be read literally, it would indeed be an outrageous book.

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Ummm, it's impossible for anyone or thing other than God to create a universe, period, regardless of how much time is factored in. Anyone (that is, God) who has the power to create a universe can do it in whatever timespan He deems best. He chose six days.

I never denied that it was possible for God to create the universe. Read the Genesis account figuratively. The point here is that it took six days and that is translated in time. Evolution needs time to gradually evolve. This is in perfect accordance to God's original words. At least try to understand this.

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Too bad. Someday science will catch up.

That's funny. I'm still waiting for Creation Scientists disproving the theory of evolution.

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Ah, "it could be six eras". "Could be" and "is" aren't the same thing.

Understand that I attempt to bring the two worlds together, not divide them. So everything is possible. You on the other hand are dismissing science. It's funny considering you're on the computer right now considering it is science that brought you this wonderful device. Why not be a caveman?

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Coincidental indeed.

You have no idea how many times I've said "coincidental" when it comes to religion. It goes both ways.

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Yeah.

Prove it is six thousand years old.

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For God it took only six days, yes.

And I never denied that.

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God created something out of nothing, instantaneously. Where's the evolution in that?
It wasn't progressive; it was instantaneous.
All the events were instantaneous, without gradual changes.
Again, no gradual change.
Again, no gradual change.
God spoke them into existence immediately; no gradual changes or long times involved.

Prove with logic, reasoning, and knowledge that it was instantaneous.

My proof that it took time rather than instantaneously is referred to science - when you say, "Turn on the light!" and someone flips the switch, the lights turns on. Is this instantaneous? No, it isn't. It took time, even if milliseconds, to allow the electricity to travel.

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God created each layer perfectly the first time. No trial and error, no corrections. Nothing needed improvement. Each layer that God created was "good".
It was good. No need for improvement.
It was good--perfect.

And I never denied that it was perfect.

Let me introduce you to philosophy. When the world looks at a human being, they say, "It is imperfect!" Yet when the world looks at the universe, they say, "It is perfect!" While evolution itself may go through "trial and error" (which is not entirely true), the evolution process itself is perfect.

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Part of the definition of evolution is gradual change. Where's the gradual change?

From void and inhabitable to Earthly and livable. This is the change - a progression over time (in six days on God's terms).

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God put the grass there as grass; it didn't development from some other material. God put the individual herbs and trees there, bearing seeds and fruit of their own species, not any intermediate species. They were complete, mature, ready to eat.

I would agree with you if you read it literally. Unfortunately, it just doesn't happen like that when it comes to science. There's a reason why all living things have DNA. Perhaps you need some Biology 101.

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God assigned the celestial lights their places and orbits; they weren't gradually developed.

Then explain how the Big Bang Theory came through? Then explain how the Hubble Law came through? You're showing me quite a lot of ignorance in science. God encouraged faith with reason. You're just not doing that.

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They were all created in one same day, the sea creatures in the sea, the birds in the air, and the land animals on the land; one group didn't move from one environment to another. The sea creatures stayed in the sea, the birds stayed in the air, and the land animals stayed on the land. No creatures changed from one group to another.

That is what you think. To support my position and to make it very clear, I will use the Qur'an:

Allah has created from water every living creature: of them there are some that creep upon their bellies, some that walk on two legs, and yet, some that walk on four; Allah creates what He pleases; surely Allah has power over everything. (24:45)

Have not the unbelievers ever considered that the skies and the earth were once one mass, then We split them asunder? And We have created every living thing from water. Will they still not believe? (21:30)

Those two verses clearly define Hubble's Law and the very fact that all living things came from water? This goes into perfect accordance with science. Will you still not believe?

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Each creature was after its own kind (species). One species didn't become another.
Again, each species after its own kind.

But they certainly came from water.

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Evolution requires passing down genes but passing down genes does not require evolution. People have been passing down genes for thousands of years but they're still people. There's no evolution happening in that process. No new species popping up.

You must not be paying attention to the news. New species are being found every single day. Passing down genes will have mutations with them. That alone is evolution as well! People are still people, certainly, but that does not disprove evolution itself. I never said that human beings came from apes either.

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Man was created totally separate from the animals. He was created in God's image. He was created in a manner different from the animals. Man was not the result of "a long time of time and progress", and he didn't just "appear".

So, Man did not just appear? So you agree it was not instantaneous?

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Really? Where?

You must not understand at this point.

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No, each verse shows specific creation acts; there's no "growth" or multiplication during the six days. The first generation of all living things are established during the six days. The multiplying happens in the subsequent generations.

Nonetheless, they are still progress. Keyword: progress. If you deny that, then you're delusional.

EagleCherokee63 · 04-07-2007, 02:01 AM

He Is God

**Cheri** · 04-07-2007, 07:47 AM

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It ok, I dont want to have afterlife but I can have a choice to say no to heaven ppl that I dont want to go there and try to cause myself to death again in second life?

There's no second chance at life, Death is the end of life. You don't have a choice, God decide your fate, you can't decide your own fate. Your body will be asleep in the grave until judgment day.

On judgment day it is then we will be sentenced to our eternal resting place. Every one of us will face God (Jesus) on judgment day even the Christians. Saved spirits go directly to be with the Lord, but the unsaved are sent to this place of torment (Hell) to await their final judgment.

**Cheri** · 04-07-2007, 08:04 AM

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devil is washbrain on you! because devil hate you see truth to Jesus Christ the Saviour. devil wanted won people's soul! be carefully your word.

Don't say such a thing like that, You have to understand there's some people out in the entire world who doesn't understand the bible. Give them time to come around. I used to be like them, They are just confused, I certain do not approve your type of behavior as a Christian, there's no needed to be harsh.

**shel90** · 04-07-2007, 08:12 AM

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Don't say such a thing like that, You have to understand there's some people out in the entire world who doesn't understand the bible. Give them time to come around. I used to be like them, They are just confused, I certain do not approve your type of behavior as a Christian, there's no needed to be harsh.

Thank u, Cheri. I stopped responding to her cuz she was always harsh back to me. Iam like "uhhh ok whatever".

**Cheri** · 04-07-2007, 08:21 AM

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Please do not bashing about this, just focus on who is really God himself..

God is one of the three persons, the father, son and holy spirit (The Holy Spirit is a “person” equal in every way with God) So Jesus had God's spirit inside his body, so he equal to God, also Jesus was the son of God too.

**Cheri** · 04-07-2007, 08:33 AM

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Thank u, Cheri. I stopped responding to her cuz she was always harsh back to me. Iam like "uhhh ok whatever".

I know I apologized., there's some Christians out there who are similar alike and I don't approve some of their behavior, they can be so judgmental and that's not how God would want that. Remember the story about Mary Magdalene? Mary sat at Jesus’s feet and cried her eyes out, wiped his feet with her hair, some of the Christians were so harsh toward to her, the only person who wasn't, was Jesus. The Christians didn't like her because she was identified as a "whore" in their eyes, after all those Christians are not as innocent as she was, they were sinners too. But, they won't admit that.

xentar · 04-07-2007, 08:56 AM

I'm going to pull the obligatory harsh atheist routine they're so famous for and say... Jesus is Santa Claus for grown ups.

It's basically the same story line; behave and do as you're told and you'll be rewarded!

Blade Runner · 04-08-2007, 12:05 AM

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I'm going to pull the obligatory harsh atheist routine they're so famous for and say... Jesus is Santa Claus for grown ups.

It's basically the same story line; behave and do as you're told and you'll be rewarded!

How can we be rewarded if we have the choice of going to Heaven or go to Hell?

If you want Hell, simply steal a bike.

If you want Heaven, do not commit a sin, and help other people.

There is no rewards, but simply choices.

xentar · 04-08-2007, 01:25 AM

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How can we be rewarded if we have the choice of going to Heaven or go to Hell?

If you want Hell, simply steal a bike. (don't behave aka punishment)

If you want Heaven, do not commit a sin, and help other people. (do as you're told aka reward)

There is no rewards, but simply choices.

You repeated exactly what I just wrote ad verbatim, strangely enough.

Yiffzer · 04-08-2007, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RITCount

How can we be rewarded if we have the choice of going to Heaven or go to Hell?

If you want Hell, simply steal a bike.

If you want Heaven, do not commit a sin, and help other people.

There is no rewards, but simply choices.

Uh, Santa Claus is the same.

If you're a bad kid, you get absolutely nothing.

If you're a good kid, you get stuff.

You're mistaken on one end - there is a reward. A reward of having a gift from Santa Claus for making the right choices.

Dark-Half · 04-08-2007, 03:23 AM

Spoiled kid: WAHHHH WAHHHHH I WAAAANNNNTTTT

Nesmuth · 04-08-2007, 04:23 AM

I'm glad I lead a very secular life. Free from the Great Mystery debate.

Richard

jazzy · 04-08-2007, 11:42 AM

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I'm glad I lead a very secular life. Free from the Great Mystery debate.

Richard

I love Great Mystery debate! Not everyone is for it but some people enjoy this.

**Cheri** · 04-08-2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RITCount

How can we be rewarded if we have the choice of going to Heaven or go to Hell?

If you want Hell, simply steal a bike.

If you want Heaven, do not commit a sin, and help other people.

There is no rewards, but simply choices.

LoL! We are all sinners even yourself is a sinner, from reading your posts here at AD, You are no innocent angel, either am I, All it takes is F-a-i-t-h, We cannot have eternal life and heaven without God’s forgiveness. “In Him (meaning Jesus) we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.” (Ephesians 1:7a) which means we have to seek to God to forgive our sins, we will have eternal life, which means we have a way of entering in Heaven.

For God so loved the world that He gave his only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16) believe in Jesus that he died for us, for the sins we committed.

But, still have to also to repent your sins to God, It has to come from the heart, and mean it.

Like supposedly I lied today, I would have to repent my sins and mean it from the heart, but every one of us have sin from time to time there's no one on this entire earth is sinless.

Blade Runner · 04-08-2007, 12:16 PM

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LoL! We are all sinners even yourself is a sinner, from reading your posts here at AD, You are no innocent angel, either am I, All it takes is F-a-i-t-h, We cannot have eternal life and heaven without God’s forgiveness. “In Him (meaning Jesus) we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.” (Ephesians 1:7a) which means we have to seek to God to forgive our sins, we will have eternal life, which means we have a way of entering in Heaven.

For God so loved the world that He gave his only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16) believe in Jesus that he died for us, for the sins we committed.

But, still have to also to repent your sins to God, It has to come from the heart, and mean it.

Like supposedly I lied today, I would have to repent my sins and mean it from the heart, but every one of us have sin from time to time there's no one on this entire earth is sinless.

How do you know if I'm not an innocent angel? Keep in mind I did not swear here. I merely revealed the truth for them all to see. Not all people are sinners. I've met Christians who's more extreme than I. They pray to the bible and attend church everyday like there's no tomorrow.

If you had said some Christians are sinners then, you might be right.

Blade Runner · 04-08-2007, 12:21 PM

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You repeated exactly what I just wrote ad verbatim, strangely enough.

Not really. Some people believe in punishment yet, they enjoy it. We live in a perverse society. Sometimes people can't be reformed into a better citizen because they don't want to change who they are. I could say for instance, I know that stealing is bad, yet I've stolen something. Why is that? Is it because I might feel there's a greater purpose behind my motives that leads to me stealing? Remember sometimes a greater good outweighs the bad pm on some occasions.

Blade Runner · 04-08-2007, 12:29 PM

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Uh, Santa Claus is the same.

If you're a bad kid, you get absolutely nothing.

If you're a good kid, you get stuff.

You're mistaken on one end - there is a reward. A reward of having a gift from Santa Claus for making the right choices.

I'm sorry but Santa Claus is a fictional character that was manufactured to scare Christian kids into behaving right. The character you speak of is manufactured crap just like the stuffed plushed dolls your sister sleeps with.

I'm sorry, but just because other Christians believe in that character does not mean you have to lump me in with them. I don't even worship that often, Sorry to disappoint you.

SxyPorkie · 04-08-2007, 12:57 PM

Everyone who believes in Bible.. always says it is a PROOF... No it is not.. because Bible is written by MAN..... not by God... who created God.... nothing says in the Bible...

**Cheri** · 04-08-2007, 02:54 PM

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Everyone who believes in Bible.. always says it is a PROOF... No it is not.. because Bible is written by MAN..... not by God... who created God.... nothing says in the Bible...

Duh! We all know that, The bible teaches us the truth about God, even if men wrote the book, Think about it, God can communicate the world in any way he wants. He could send an angel to everyone with a long announcement, So God choose the written words by choosing a person to write the bible.

You know God who is the spirit put his words into a fresh and blood humans who can read and understand. God used the holy spirit to inspire 40 writers over a period of 1500 years to write down his words.

You also stated nothing was said in the bible? That's full of baloney.

It states right here on (2 timothy 3:16) All scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realized what is wrong in our lives. It straighten us out and teaches us to do what is right.

Yiffzer · 04-08-2007, 02:55 PM

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I'm sorry but Santa Claus is a fictional character that was manufactured to scare Christian kids into behaving right. The character you speak of is manufactured crap just like the stuffed plushed dolls your sister sleeps with.

I'm sorry, but just because other Christians believe in that character does not mean you have to lump me in with them. I don't even worship that often, Sorry to disappoint you.

1. I never said anything about you believing in a Santa Claus.

2. If you call Santa Claus "manufactured crap", then God must be "manufactured crap" as well.

3. You insist that you are not a sinner [cited]. You say that you don't worship often. According to the Bible, those that do not worship God are sinners. So you are a sinner, correct?

**Cheri** · 04-08-2007, 03:11 PM

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2. If you call Santa Claus "manufactured crap", then God must be "manufactured crap" as well.

Don't compare God to Santa Claus, because they're not the same.

We are here on this earth because of God, God will hold everyone accountable, each for their own lives. He even sent a "Messiah" Jesus to die for our sins, so you're saying you don't believe in Jesus either or Jesus is a "manufactured crap?" or there was never a "Messiah"? and You sit here and compare him to Santa? It's best to keep your judgmental to yourself, because you're going to regret what you said some days.

xentar · 04-08-2007, 07:06 PM

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Don't compare God to Santa Claus, because they're not the same.

God, Santa Claus, Flying Spaghetti Monster, Pink Elephant, Fairies, are all the same. They can't be proven they don't exist and it can't be proven they do exist.

Such as you can't disprove the existence of my girlfriend. I may have a girlfriend who happens to be spending some time in Australia or Spain right now. You don't know. So I guess there's no problem with me going around and bragging about how great my girlfriend is and using her as an excuse for this and that, since you can't prove she doesn't exist. And it's all perfectly fine if other people start talking about my girlfriend as if she exists, even if she doesn't, since no one can prove she doesn't. Awesome.

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We are here on this earth because of God, God will hold everyone accountable, each for their own lives. He even sent a "Messiah" Jesus to die for our sins, so you're saying you don't believe in Jesus either or Jesus is a "manufactured crap?" or there was never a "Messiah"? and You sit here and compare him to Santa? It's best to keep your judgmental to yourself, because you're going to regret what you said some days.

But why, in any case, do we so readily accept the idea that the one thing you must do if you want to please God is believe in him (or Jesus)? What's so special about believing? Isn't it just as likely that God would reward kindness, or generosity, or humility? Or sincerity?

What if God is a scientist who regards honest seeking after truth as the supreme virtue? Indeed, wouldn't the designer of the universe have to be a scientist? Bertrand Russell was asked what he would say if he died and found himself confronted by God, demanding to know why Russell had not believed in him.

'Not enough evidence, God, not enough evidence,' was Russell's reply.

Dark-Half · 04-08-2007, 07:20 PM

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Don't compare God to Santa Claus, because they're not the same.

We are here on this earth because of God, God will hold everyone accountable, each for their own lives. He even sent a "Messiah" Jesus to die for our sins, so you're saying you don't believe in Jesus either or Jesus is a "manufactured crap?" or there was never a "Messiah"? and You sit here and compare him to Santa? It's best to keep your judgmental to yourself, because you're going to regret what you said some days.

Au contaire, the concept behind them is exactly the SAME thus lies his point which is completely valid. It makes people into sycophants.

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Dark-Half Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Idaho. Posts: 852	Spoiled kid: WAHHHH WAHHHHH I WAAAANNNNTTTT __________________ The world is a tragedy to those who feel, but a comedy to those who think.

04-08-2007, 12:57 PM	#475 (permalink)
SxyPorkie Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,095	Everyone who believes in Bible.. always says it is a PROOF... No it is not.. because Bible is written by MAN..... not by God... who created God.... nothing says in the Bible... __________________ Life Goes On!!

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04-07-2007, 02:01 AM	#458 (permalink)
EagleCherokee63 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,072	He Is God

04-07-2007, 08:56 AM	#464 (permalink)
xentar Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 275	I'm going to pull the obligatory harsh atheist routine they're so famous for and say... Jesus is Santa Claus for grown ups. It's basically the same story line; behave and do as you're told and you'll be rewarded!

04-08-2007, 04:23 AM	#469 (permalink)
Nesmuth Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Southland of California Posts: 3,199	I'm glad I lead a very secular life. Free from the Great Mystery debate. Richard