Who is God? - Page 14

Yiffzer · 03-26-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

Oh well... let me ask you couple questions... Who creates Devil or Satan?? Who creates angels???

God.

Yiffzer · 03-26-2007, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Throwstones

Torah is same as KJV! BUT sadly, the chief rabbi removed Isaiah 53 from the Torah plus some rabbis do change Isaiah 53. I have Torah here with me that show no Isaiah 53. That means rabbis know the truth about Isaiah 53 which Messiah was suffered for Israel and died on the cross for us!

I don't know too much about the Bible but this site claims there is very little difference (as much as a few words) of today's Torah and the ancient Torah. Then again, I don't know the truth.

Accuracy of Torah Text - Shavuot with Aish

SxyPorkie · 03-26-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Yiffzer

God.

Again.. go back to my first question.. Who creates God??? still no answer....

Throwstones · 03-26-2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Yiffzer

I don't know too much about the Bible but this site claims there is very little difference (as much as a few words) of today's Torah and the ancient Torah. Then again, I don't know the truth.

Accuracy of Torah Text - Shavuot with Aish

I am myself jewish. I believe in Jesus the Messiah and still be Jewish! I am also missionary to the deaf jews since 1982. I have been studying the bible as it is Torah too. I have discovered many missing in Torah that won't admit to claim Jesus is the Messiah!

**Maria** · 03-26-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

Again.. go back to my first question.. Who creates God??? still no answer....

And, again... the answer is NO ONE. Do you know what faith is ?

BearBeauty · 03-26-2007, 12:56 PM

I don't think we'll ever find out who created god.. And Each religion has their own viewpoint on God..

we'll see various religions fight over it for years, but in the end.. they have no answer either except what their bible tells them and what they believe.
I'm spiritual.. i believe in many gods... I've given up on modern religions..

SxyPorkie · 03-26-2007, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberRed

And, again... the answer is NO ONE. Do you know what faith is ?

Faith??? it mean nothing to me... all i know lots of religions put people in FEAR of God.. all PHONEY......If God is LOVE... therefore God should not put FEAR in people.....

**Reba** · 03-26-2007, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

Again.. go back to my first question.. Who creates God??? still no answer....

No one created God. He has always existed. God is The Creator.

God created the angels (of which Satan was one) and man.

**lilylover72** · 03-26-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

No one created God. He has always existed. God is The Creator.

God created the angels (of which Satan was one) and man.

What about woman?

Yiffzer · 03-26-2007, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

Again.. go back to my first question.. Who creates God??? still no answer....

Again, this goes back to my first question: If you knew who created God, then what will you do? Still no answer...

Throwstones · 03-26-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

Again.. go back to my first question.. Who creates God??? still no answer....

Why you keep complaining and demand to know who created GOD. There is nothing you do about it because it is UNKNOWN answer unless you will have to ask GOD a question in PERSON! JUST PUT A FAITH IN GOD WITHOUT SEE! BUT I advise any of you to have Jesus in your life which is more safe than be sorry then you will ask GOD for sure. He will answer you your question without doubt!

Only one thing we have to bow and say JESUS IS LORD! He is our Master!

Yiffzer · 03-26-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

Faith??? it mean nothing to me... all i know lots of religions put people in FEAR of God.. all PHONEY......If God is LOVE... therefore God should not put FEAR in people.....

Think about it. Fear is important when exercised appropriately. God's punishment is fear and that allows morality to exist today. Parents exercise fear on their own children through different methods such as punishment and angriness. Without any fear, do you think children would care to listen to you? Haven't you thought that fear is love? Apparently not.

There is a reason for everything. God allows us to reason with what He has offered us. Actually, God's expectations are pretty damn reasonable if you think about it.

If faith means nothing to you then all hope is lost on you. If you ever wanted to follow God, you will need faith. Faith one of the fundamental necessities of God.

**Reba** · 03-26-2007, 01:25 PM

Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Colossians 1
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Mark 10
6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

Psalm 4
13 Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting, and to everlasting. Amen, and Amen.

Psalm 90
2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

Psalm 93
2 Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting.

SxyPorkie · 03-26-2007, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Yiffzer

Again, this goes back to my first question: If you knew who created God, then what will you do? Still no answer...

In matter of FACTS.. NO ONE KNOW THE REAL ANSWER... no proofs.... alll in people s mind... thats all I can say... I do not know the answer.. thats why i asked everyone Who created God????

SxyPorkie · 03-26-2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Yiffzer

Think about it. Fear is important when exercised appropriately. God's punishment is fear and that allows morality to exist today. Parents exercise fear on their own children through different methods such as punishment and angriness. Without any fear, do you think children would care to listen to you? Haven't you thought that fear is love? Apparently not.

There is a reason for everything. God allows us to reason with what He has offered us. Actually, God's expectations are pretty damn reasonable if you think about it.

If faith means nothing to you then all hope is lost on you. If you ever wanted to follow God, you will need faith. Faith one of the fundamental necessities of God.

I thought you said you are atheist... I might misunderstand??????

Yiffzer · 03-26-2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

In matter of FACTS.. NO ONE KNOW THE REAL ANSWER... no proofs.... alll in people s mind... thats all I can say... I do not know the answer.. thats why i asked everyone Who created God????

But that's illogical fallacy. You are saying that someone must either give evidence that something created God or God would be false. The premise you propose is flawed since the answer is that God has no creation but Himself (according to all religious texts).

If you still demand evidence of God's creation, then I will turn this around and ask you, "Can you prove that God was not created?" Even better, I will ask you, "Can you prove that God does not exist? You don't know the answer to that yourself!

You need to get your head checked out.

**Reba** · 03-26-2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Yiffzer

Think about it. Fear is important when exercised appropriately. God's punishment is fear and that allows morality to exist today....

Good point.

That reminds of a stanza in the hymn Amazing Grace:

’Twas grace that taught my heart to fear,
And grace my fears relieved;
How precious did that grace appear
The hour I first believed!

The Bible says:

Psalm 111
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Proverbs 1
7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 9
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Proverbs 15
33 The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.

Yiffzer · 03-26-2007, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

I thought you said you are atheist... I might misunderstand??????

I am agnostic like yourself but I'm certainly not the militant atheist as I was when I was younger.

Yiffzer · 03-26-2007, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Good point.

That reminds of a stanza in the hymn Amazing Grace:

’Twas grace that taught my heart to fear,
And grace my fears relieved;
How precious did that grace appear
The hour I first believed!

The Bible says:

Psalm 111
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Proverbs 1
7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 9
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Proverbs 15
33 The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.

Exactly. God has all the knowledge in this universe and since He cares for us, he will put fear in us to act accordingly to his expectations. He does this because He loves us. You can use the same exact analogy of parents to children. They do the same thing. If no one can understand this, then that's certainly an issue they have to deal with.

**Reba** · 03-26-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ghsh1996

What about woman?

Woman too.

SxyPorkie · 03-26-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Yiffzer

I am agnostic like yourself but I'm certainly not the militant atheist as I was when I was younger.

Allright...another experience.. when I was in the deaf school.. I think i was about 12 yrs old.... One Evanglist (sp_)... preached us about space rocket.. claimed that moon will turn red as blood if rocket lands on the moon... ok
many years later... I was adult.. working... news declared that rocker landed on the moon.. so that night i went outside looking at the moon...IT DID NOT TURN RED AS BLOOD...

Deafinoregon · 03-26-2007, 03:21 PM

God didn't need anyone or thing to create him he was here from the begining of time and will be here forever. The bible says that he is the way, the light, the omega. God created all things big and small, he is the devine ruler of heaven and earth. He is your friend and your maker, he is who he says he is God.
The lord said " lean not upon your own understanding but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of your lord" so knowing this, I will not ask the question of how God became or was made. I could not understand a perfect spirit. God says his thoughts are not my thoughts. So putting a solid understanding in my mind of this statement would mean that since he doesn't think like me he doesn't act like me either.
To me God is my light and my defender who protects me from all that isn't of him.
This is my favorite verse, maybe you'll like it to..
The twenty third of psalm
The lord is my sheperd i shall not want. He maketh me lie down in green pastures. He leadeth me beside the still waters. He restoreth my soul; he leadeth in me in the path of righteousness for his name sake. Yea, though i walk through the valley of the shadow of death, i will fear no evil. For thou art with me. Thy rod and staff they comfort me. Thou perparest a table before before me in the presence of mine enemies. Thou anoiest my head with oil, my cup runith over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and i will dwell in the house of the lord forever.

Yiffzer · 03-26-2007, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

Allright...another experience.. when I was in the deaf school.. I think i was about 12 yrs old.... One Evanglist (sp_)... preached us about space rocket.. claimed that moon will turn red as blood if rocket lands on the moon... ok
many years later... I was adult.. working... news declared that rocker landed on the moon.. so that night i went outside looking at the moon...IT DID NOT TURN RED AS BLOOD...

That's just some random preacher. Who gives a damn what he says? Seems like you're following people's claims rather than reading the texts on your own.

SxyPorkie · 03-26-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Yiffzer

That's just some random preacher. Who gives a damn what he says? Seems like you're following people's claims rather than reading the texts on your own.

RIGHT!! but i did started reading all verison of Bibles... even taught deaf at sunday school in church... thats when i realized too many lies.. i re-read all Bibles... Book of Mormon too...still saw lies ... i grew up in the Mormon family... my uncle was a preacher.. supposed to be a healer... he repeatedly tried to heal me because i was born HOH... I had seen him slapping his own sister who was my mother.....i had to hit him back for my mother...I went to church when i was little every sundays... I quitted going there 5 yrs....
no more churches for me.. I threw all bibles away... no bibles in my house now...

Deafinoregon · 03-26-2007, 05:29 PM

the discovery for truth is what i think the above poster was trying to do when describing her experiences. it's a look into the unknown and testing the waters. many bibles have been wrote that do not offer the truth. god says do not add or take away the words i have written. In the time the bible was written words meant different things and for that reason people precieved the very thing that God wasn't attempting for to believe. In order to find the real truth behind the words one must search their hearts and rely upon God to give them insight. Making a mistake in our journey for the truth about God, planets, people whatever is part of the journey. God won't lead us astray.

Yiffzer · 03-26-2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

RIGHT!! but i did started reading all verison of Bibles... even taught deaf at sunday school in church... thats when i realized too many lies.. i re-read all Bibles... Book of Mormon too...still saw lies ... i grew up in the Mormon family... my uncle was a preacher.. supposed to be a healer... he repeatedly tried to heal me because i was born HOH... I had seen him slapping his own sister who was my mother.....i had to hit him back for my mother...I went to church when i was little every sundays... I quitted going there 5 yrs....
no more churches for me.. I threw all bibles away... no bibles in my house now...

There is no such thing as "healers". Unfortunately some Christians were led to believe in such a thing. But you still have not told me what "lies" you have seen. Please list some "lies" that you found. Thanks.

Deafinoregon · 03-26-2007, 06:40 PM

According to the bible God works through others to bless the sick or lame. The reciever has to "believe" before anything can be done. It's a test of faith and not to be messed with. There's always a bad apple in any crowd and you just have to filter through them to find a ripe one.
"Blessed are those who have not seen, yet still believe"

As a believer i feel you have precieved God's work the wrong way, he will do what he feels is right on his time, not on your expectations. My father became sick and needed a kidney transplant he believed that God would cure him. What he didn't think of is.. Is this in God's plans?
He allowed this sickness to happen for a reason, my father wouldn't buy it. He stopped going to church because of it, bad mistake!
Turns out his sister barb matched up with my fathers blood and she gave him one of her kidneys. They have became closer than ever because of his illness!
His plan was obvious he wanted them to be closer, and not because he wanted my father to die or to suffer.
So I've learned a great deal from others mistakes, maybe you'll find the same for yourself. I'd never throw away my bibles, not for anyone.

I know God wants me to go back to church, and I feel i should just because of this reply.
I've learned not to question my God but to believe consistantly without laps. Thanks for making this clear to me!

Deafinoregon · 03-26-2007, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

Again.. go back to my first question.. Who creates God??? still no answer....

God is the creator he needs none to be created.

Yiffzer · 03-26-2007, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Deafinoregon

According to the bible God works through others to bless the sick or lame. The reciever has to "believe" before anything can be done. It's a test of faith and not to be messed with. There's always a bad apple in any crowd and you just have to filter through them to find a ripe one.
"Blessed are those who have not seen, yet still believe"

As a believer i feel you have precieved God's work the wrong way, he will do what he feels is right on his time, not on your expectations. My father became sick and needed a kidney transplant he believed that God would cure him. What he didn't think of is.. Is this in God's plans?
He allowed this sickness to happen for a reason, my father wouldn't buy it. He stopped going to church because of it, bad mistake!
Turns out his sister barb matched up with my fathers blood and she gave him one of her kidneys. They have became closer than ever because of his illness!
His plan was obvious he wanted them to be closer, and not because he wanted my father to die or to suffer.
So I've learned a great deal from others mistakes, maybe you'll find the same for yourself. I'd never throw away my bibles, not for anyone.

I know God wants me to go back to church, and I feel i should just because of this reply.

I take my words back regarding the healing process. I have forgotten about that very fact. Prayers lead to healing, or so they say.

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I've learned not to question my God but to believe consistantly without laps. Thanks for making this clear to me!

Thank you to me? What have I done?

Deafinoregon · 03-26-2007, 08:43 PM

You showed me where i went wrong

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03-26-2007, 12:56 PM	#396 (permalink)
BearBeauty Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 818	I don't think we'll ever find out who created god.. And Each religion has their own viewpoint on God.. we'll see various religions fight over it for years, but in the end.. they have no answer either except what their bible tells them and what they believe. I'm spiritual.. i believe in many gods... I've given up on modern religions..

03-26-2007, 01:25 PM	#403 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,108	Genesis 1 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. John 1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. Colossians 1 12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Mark 10 6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. Psalm 4 13 Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting, and to everlasting. Amen, and Amen. Psalm 90 2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. Psalm 93 2 Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting.

03-26-2007, 03:21 PM	#412 (permalink)
Deafinoregon Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 55	God didn't need anyone or thing to create him he was here from the begining of time and will be here forever. The bible says that he is the way, the light, the omega. God created all things big and small, he is the devine ruler of heaven and earth. He is your friend and your maker, he is who he says he is God. The lord said " lean not upon your own understanding but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of your lord" so knowing this, I will not ask the question of how God became or was made. I could not understand a perfect spirit. God says his thoughts are not my thoughts. So putting a solid understanding in my mind of this statement would mean that since he doesn't think like me he doesn't act like me either. To me God is my light and my defender who protects me from all that isn't of him. This is my favorite verse, maybe you'll like it to.. The twenty third of psalm The lord is my sheperd i shall not want. He maketh me lie down in green pastures. He leadeth me beside the still waters. He restoreth my soul; he leadeth in me in the path of righteousness for his name sake. Yea, though i walk through the valley of the shadow of death, i will fear no evil. For thou art with me. Thy rod and staff they comfort me. Thou perparest a table before before me in the presence of mine enemies. Thou anoiest my head with oil, my cup runith over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and i will dwell in the house of the lord forever.

03-26-2007, 05:29 PM	#415 (permalink)
Deafinoregon Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 55	the discovery for truth is what i think the above poster was trying to do when describing her experiences. it's a look into the unknown and testing the waters. many bibles have been wrote that do not offer the truth. god says do not add or take away the words i have written. In the time the bible was written words meant different things and for that reason people precieved the very thing that God wasn't attempting for to believe. In order to find the real truth behind the words one must search their hearts and rely upon God to give them insight. Making a mistake in our journey for the truth about God, planets, people whatever is part of the journey. God won't lead us astray.

03-26-2007, 06:40 PM	#417 (permalink)
Deafinoregon Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 55	According to the bible God works through others to bless the sick or lame. The reciever has to "believe" before anything can be done. It's a test of faith and not to be messed with. There's always a bad apple in any crowd and you just have to filter through them to find a ripe one. "Blessed are those who have not seen, yet still believe" As a believer i feel you have precieved God's work the wrong way, he will do what he feels is right on his time, not on your expectations. My father became sick and needed a kidney transplant he believed that God would cure him. What he didn't think of is.. Is this in God's plans? He allowed this sickness to happen for a reason, my father wouldn't buy it. He stopped going to church because of it, bad mistake! Turns out his sister barb matched up with my fathers blood and she gave him one of her kidneys. They have became closer than ever because of his illness! His plan was obvious he wanted them to be closer, and not because he wanted my father to die or to suffer. So I've learned a great deal from others mistakes, maybe you'll find the same for yourself. I'd never throw away my bibles, not for anyone. I know God wants me to go back to church, and I feel i should just because of this reply. I've learned not to question my God but to believe consistantly without laps. Thanks for making this clear to me!

03-26-2007, 08:43 PM	#420 (permalink)
Deafinoregon Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 55	You showed me where i went wrong