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Unread 01-24-2007, 02:14 AM   #211 (permalink)
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that all nonsense.. as far as i concern you argue over religions. simple question.. Can you tell me who created the universe?
Your saying is very well-done! remember the universe created the universe itself..

I bet that some christians told you, God made this nation.. I tell you, remember that earth with emtpy, is that right? People created cities, farmers, forests on earth. For another explain, In North America, White people created 48 states become one nation and one speech in his image and name. the universe did not this.. People did this..

Who destoryed Nazi empire and German? Nazi with germany was destoryed by people, who saved few jews from nazi empire when it fallen? again, by people... Not God nor jesus..

different nations of armies invade german when nazi fallen, did various nations of armies told jews and germans, that they are christian arimes ???????
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Unread 01-24-2007, 10:36 AM   #212 (permalink)
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Who defeated Egyptians? Babylonians? Philistines? Ai? I do noticed there's a lot not really understanding how christian live, what God called them to do and how God using them. I know I'm not surpise by using the answer God didn't do it. But I have no clue why by hating christians so bad, and don't tell me bec what christians did. I know SOME are doing harsh, bec I ve been there. But maily its not what christians did or do, the real rason is bec of who christians are. If someone really good friend with you and having a great time, then for sure you will get all upset and hating the person by finding out he/she is a christians, not bec what he?she said, bec his/her choice. So much stereotyping of christians and playing games toward christians. I have seen some think christians is special people, so does non-christians. Mostly christians doesn't feel special, why? We suppose to practice humility and not think highly themselves like the world are doing.
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Jesus said that AS IT WAS, SO SHALL IT BE!

Because it does not, many TWIST THE WORD to make it fit.

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The issue before you, then, is not your opinion, your biases, your intelligence, your standing before God, your education or your denominational belief structure. IT IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU WILL ACCEPT WHAT GOD HAS TO SAY EXACTLY AS HE SAYS IT. You are the one majority of MANY Christians WILL NOT ACCEPT WHAT GOD HAS TO SAY. You refuse it, alter it, deny it, contradict it, or pervert it, and twist it. THIS IS EXACTLY WHY JESUS SAID THE MAJORITY OF CHRISTIANS WILL NEVER ENTER HEAVEN AT ALL. They shall be ETERNALLY SENT AWAY INTO DECEPTIVE AND LOSS. It was not that they COULD NOT ACCEPT WHAT GOD SAID, but THAT THEY WOULD NOT.
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Why many modern day prophetic scholars and christians cannot understand WORLD EVENTS, as they relate to literal prophecy. You do not understand who the son of man is, nor WHAT HE WILL DO. You reject with mocking and vehemence all suggestions that God is Heaven. You are thus DECEIVED, AND ARE DECEIVING OTHERS.

Why many modern prophetic scholars and modern christians cannot understand Jesus Christ said that as it was in the days of Noah, so would it be again.
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Many Christians do not realize that Noah lived 350 years AFTER the flood. He saw Nimrod's BABEL of the kingdom in beginnings. He saw the MIGHTY CITY BABEL that sat within the boundaries of the kingdom. He saw the TOWER OF BABEL, that was beside the GREAT CITY. AS IT WAS, SO IT SHALL BE AGAIN.

The ANSWER LIES IN THE REJECTION OF THE WORD OF GOD; IN APOSTASY. It lies in an utter refusal to ACCEPT GOD AT HIS WORD.
keep in mind: Noah saw man of wickness rule earth with voleince from genesis 6 chpater before the flood came. And later, Again Noah saw Nimrod the mighty hunter with BABEL after flood gone from Genesis 10, 11v1-9.

I myself see this events what Noah saw two events, as it was in the days of Noah, so would it be again. But you ingore the christ jesus had said his word in scripture and busy to preach about save and go to heaven!


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I just tell scripture of doctrine itself like 1 Kings 10:14
Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold.

Rev. 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

aren't Old and New scriptures matched verses from left and right? Scripture is not written in a complex manner.

Jesus confirmed Jeremiah, Isaiah, Habakkuk and all the other Old Testament prophets as being GENUINE! Therefore, if they are genuine, THEIR WRITINGS MUST ALL COME TRUE, FOR THAT IS THE MARK OF A TRUE PROPHET OF GOD!!

Don't believe it? Stay around for a few short months or years - and you will watch it happen in front of your eyes. God decreed it. It will happen.
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Whether people acknowledge the fulfillment of prophetic events or not, those events will still proceed on schedule. Whether met with ridicule or with fear and dread, it will occur after the announcements and warnings are made. Regardless of humanity’s acceptance, “in the end it shall speak.” The crashing events will reverberate with such a deafening roar, that the everyday lives of all will be completely disrupted. A terrifying series of events will shock and re-shock the earth. Only those who have prepared will be capable of understanding that terrible course of events—because they woke up and took action!

Daniel 12;1-- And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book

Luke 21;34-36-- And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
[35] For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
[36] Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man
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that all nonsense.. as far as i concern you argue over religions. simple question.. Can you tell me who created the universe?
Yea, I agree. I thought Jesus Christ was born after the universe was created?
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Yea, I agree. I thought Jesus Christ was born after the universe was created?
Jesus created the universe.

Colossians 1
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

John 1
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
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Even I was faced persecution.

I remembered being in CentroAmerica on a mission trip. The first trip. Satan tried every thing to block us from establishing new deaf ministries, churches, deaf camps, etc.. well, I remembered in El Salvador after leaving San Miguel to go to San Salvador, the captiol of E.S. What happened was this. Scary stuff! I was on a mission trip with my pastor and a Costa Rican missionary in the missionary's car in a remote CA-1 high way (not like the American highways! More like Route 66). Anyway, we had to stop to get water to fill in a customized extra coolant tank our missionary friend created. Well, when we stopped, this deranged man with a machette walked pass me and my pastor and faced our missionary friend ready to hack our friend, but safely my pastor and I were in the car waiting. What happened was the friend had to quickly fill water and speak Spanish rapidly to calm the man. At one point the man calmed down but then drew out his machette again. But quickly our missionary friend finished filling water and then get in the car then leave.

Next morning, the newspaper in San Salvador said, "MURDE" It means death. 3 other men from the same area where we were at that we faced the man with the machette were found dead that night after we left the remote area. We all were gasped. Yes, the police got the murderer. He was high on drugs and you can see his eyes were red as fire.

After San Salvador visit, we went on to Guatemala that just ended their war 3 to 4 weeks BEFORE we visited. We had the missionary friend's car broke down.. it was ball bearing meltdown. 2 rather large Latinos (that is bit unusual size for a Latino considering I met most of them are SHORT) stopped and asked if we needed a tow to have it fixed. We declined then went through a bush fire--very common than in USA. Well, the car broke down again then the SAME 2 men drove by. How!?? The car broke down right front of a Guatemalian military training site on CA-1. The guards were walking toward us with AK-47 Automatics but the 2 men in truck did not ask us this time. They put a chain on our missionary's friend's car and towed us to a certain car repair shop.

More strangely, because God protected us through the two days, God went further that ALL 7 mechanics stopped working on other cars and went to work on our missionary friend's car without requesting to work on quickly. I can hear Spanish but it was not ordered by their boss. None!

I believe they were all angels at some point. The car was fixed in an hour and half. In US, for alternatior repair, it would take a day, sometimes more.

I wanted to thank 2 men and I always forget my manner to say thanks then I turned just one sec, they were gone! How they could be gone that fast!

God will allow some perscutions but others to keep preaching and spreading God's word and love of God to others. That trip was my favorite of all 4 mission trips because of those experiences.

We were also in Panama during 2nd trip. Not far from Columbia and months after 3 missionaries disappeared and kidnapped by Columbia rebels right in Americanized Modern Panama City--the same city we were there!

Perscution isnt just limited to terrorists, Islamics, Communists, nature can do the same. I slept on floor in tent where there are scopions around, Baker's Snakes, ants... Spiders as large as your pen! Malaria is another. We went to Tikal, Guatemala where malaria were found in drinking water. We heeded the warning. Oh do not forget, border guards and police officers who are dirty. We faced those as well!

Our missionary friend and my pastor went to Cuba. I did not go since I had a conflict of scheduling. Anyway, they faced perscution in Athestic Cuba. They denied my pastor a license to preach there because they know he preach the Word of God! SAD!

Oh Hugo Chavez who is a dictator did the Sign of the Cross in UN last October? He was putting on a show. A phony. He got to be a FALSO! LOL!!
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Wow! Quite a testimony! Very interesting.

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I remembered being in CentroAmerica on a mission trip. The first trip. Satan tried every thing to block us from establishing new deaf ministries, churches, deaf camps, etc.. well, I remembered in El Salvador after leaving San Miguel to go to San Salvador, the captiol of E.S. What happened was this. Scary stuff! I was on a mission trip with my pastor and a Costa Rican missionary in the missionary's car in a remote CA-1 high way (not like the American highways! More like Route 66). Anyway, we had to stop to get water to fill in a customized extra coolant tank our missionary friend created. Well, when we stopped, this deranged man with a machette walked pass me and my pastor and faced our missionary friend ready to hack our friend, but safely my pastor and I were in the car waiting. What happened was the friend had to quickly fill water and speak Spanish rapidly to calm the man. At one point the man calmed down but then drew out his machette again. But quickly our missionary friend finished filling water and then get in the car then leave.

Next morning, the newspaper in San Salvador said, "MURDE" It means death. 3 other men from the same area where we were at that we faced the man with the machette were found dead that night after we left the remote area. We all were gasped. Yes, the police got the murderer. He was high on drugs and you can see his eyes were red as fire.

After San Salvador visit, we went on to Guatemala that just ended their war 3 to 4 weeks BEFORE we visited. We had the missionary friend's car broke down.. it was ball bearing meltdown. 2 rather large Latinos (that is bit unusual size for a Latino considering I met most of them are SHORT) stopped and asked if we needed a tow to have it fixed. We declined then went through a bush fire--very common than in USA. Well, the car broke down again then the SAME 2 men drove by. How!?? The car broke down right front of a Guatemalian military training site on CA-1. The guards were walking toward us with AK-47 Automatics but the 2 men in truck did not ask us this time. They put a chain on our missionary's friend's car and towed us to a certain car repair shop.

More strangely, because God protected us through the two days, God went further that ALL 7 mechanics stopped working on other cars and went to work on our missionary friend's car without requesting to work on quickly. I can hear Spanish but it was not ordered by their boss. None!

I believe they were all angels at some point. The car was fixed in an hour and half. In US, for alternatior repair, it would take a day, sometimes more.

I wanted to thank 2 men and I always forget my manner to say thanks then I turned just one sec, they were gone! How they could be gone that fast!

God will allow some perscutions but others to keep preaching and spreading God's word and love of God to others. That trip was my favorite of all 4 mission trips because of those experiences.

We were also in Panama during 2nd trip. Not far from Columbia and months after 3 missionaries disappeared and kidnapped by Columbia rebels right in Americanized Modern Panama City--the same city we were there!

Perscution isnt just limited to terrorists, Islamics, Communists, nature can do the same. I slept on floor in tent where there are scopions around, Baker's Snakes, ants... Spiders as large as your pen! Malaria is another. We went to Tikal, Guatemala where malaria were found in drinking water. We heeded the warning. Oh do not forget, border guards and police officers who are dirty. We faced those as well!

Our missionary friend and my pastor went to Cuba. I did not go since I had a conflict of scheduling. Anyway, they faced perscution in Athestic Cuba. They denied my pastor a license to preach there because they know he preach the Word of God! SAD!

Oh Hugo Chavez who is a dictator did the Sign of the Cross in UN last October? He was putting on a show. A phony. He got to be a FALSO! LOL!!
I believe it is true about God will allow some persecutions. Sometimes, persecutions come out good for some reasons and, even thou it LOOKS bad to others by their own eyes.

Thanks for sharin' your testimonies and beautiful story. I believe things you said in your version, because of my experiences with God in the past and I know the feelin' of your experiences.
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Unread 02-01-2007, 11:52 AM   #220 (permalink)
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I remembered being in CentroAmerica on a mission trip. The first trip. Satan tried every thing to block us from establishing new deaf ministries, churches, deaf camps, etc..
Wow ! That's a Good testimony ! Interesting.
Thanks for sharing.

I had a few similiar experiences going through
when I was in Europe; and
also when my car broke down one time.

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Jesus created the universe.

Colossians 1
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

John 1
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Praise the Lord!!!! HORRAAY!!
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UpstNYDesigner, Good testimony!!!

Remember Lord is GOOD!! Psalm 91:1-16

1 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.

2 I will say of the LORD, [He is] my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.

3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, [and] from the noisome pestilence.

4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth [shall be thy] shield and buckler.Smile!

5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; [nor] for the arrow [that] flieth by day;

6 [Nor] for the pestilence [that] walketh in darkness; [nor] for the destruction [that] wasteth at noonday.

7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; [but] it shall not come nigh thee.

8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.

9 Because thou hast made the LORD, [which is] my refuge, [even] the most High, thy habitation;

10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.

11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

12 They shall bear thee up in [their] hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.

14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.

15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I [will be] with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.

16 With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.
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Smile Thanks to all those read my testmony.

iMuchas Gracias! (Thank you so much!) Yeah, it was quite an experience I went through those four years but God blessed us with 10 new deaf churches there, over 50 deaf and some hearing accepted the Lord Saviour Jesus Christ. Seen ministries growth and provided needs there. Someday to go back there and do more work for God.

Any interested?

I have another testmony I heard from a man in Nicaragua. He is a pastor and has a heart for Deaf people in Nicaragua. When Daniel Oreiga ruled Nicaragua with the Communists, as you all are aware that Communists are anti-Christian. The Communists forced men to be soldiers there. If you refuse, they would jail you, abuse you, etc.

Well, this pastor who refused to exile to Peaceful Costa Rica, he stayed to show his faith and proven his faith for God. The Communists forced him to be a solder but he refused to deny Christ and refused to join the army. He was jailed by putting him in a tiny cell that you have to stand up and bend your back. It was all for trying to brain wash him. He refuse to deny Christ so he later was released but they arrested him again and tried him to become a solder for the Communist Party in Nicaragua.

The second time in jail, many other men who refused to become Communists, solders, etc.. organized to escape but they all knew many will die trying to climb a high prison wall. They all knew there would be guards to do gun shooting at the men. Well, it was 3,000 men in prison but only a group of dozens each time would give up their lives to make a human ladder. That is, pile of men to make it easier for the next group of men to climb up and die for the next group, you get the idea.

Well, it happened that the pastor and 5 other men made it out of the prison by climbing over all the dead men by the high wall. It has to be about 20 feet high. Those 6 jumped down 20 feet to freedom or hiding in Nicaragua.

Then the Communists had fed up with that pastor and made a huge sign--big enough to cover an old Holiday Inn 1950s neon sign by posting it front of the pastor's house! He is so poor and has no health insurance. His home has 2 rooms. The house is small enough to fit in a one car garage. Half of his house is the bedroom enough room for himself with his wife, 3 kids, and his mother.

I was in that house. No window, rat came in the window to the kitchen, and toilet outside! Yup, I went to the john outside there! (was sick from Sulfur breathing after seeing a famous volcano near Mangua, Nicaragua.

Real sad but God bless him! Now pray that the Communists fall again in Nicaragua! They won elections this time. Pray for the pastor, the deaf, etc.. Dios Beniga.
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