250 Million Christians Will Be Persecuted in 2007 - Page 3

**Reba** · 01-15-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

It seems that in your mind that whoever doesnt believe in Jesus must believe in the devil. What if it is just neither?

If a person doesn't believe in Jesus it doesn't mean that person "believes in" the devil. It means that person's decision pleases the devil and helps the devil carry out his plan. Satan is always pleased when one more soul is on the way to hell.

That doesn't mean a non-Christian consciously "worships" Satan but the end result is the same.

**Maria** · 01-15-2007, 11:07 PM

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**Maria** · 01-16-2007, 01:18 AM

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**shel90** · 01-16-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

If a person doesn't believe in Jesus it doesn't mean that person "believes in" the devil. It means that person's decision pleases the devil and helps the devil carry out his plan. Satan is always pleased when one more soul is on the way to hell.

That doesn't mean a non-Christian consciously "worships" Satan but the end result is the same.

That is so cold..very judgemental cuz not everyone believes in the same thing. Wow...I would never believe that about other people.

**Reba** · 01-16-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

That is so cold..very judgemental cuz not everyone believes in the same thing. Wow...I would never believe that about other people.

How is that judgmental? I said that they were NOT all worshipping Satan.

**shel90** · 01-16-2007, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

How is that judgmental? I said that they were NOT all worshipping Satan.

U said "the end result is the same." To me that sounded like u meant it wouldnt matter if people who are not Christians dont purposely whorship Satan, there is no difference anyway.

If I read u wrong, then my bad.

**Reba** · 01-16-2007, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

U said "the end result is the same." To me that sounded like u meant it wouldnt matter if people who are not Christians dont purposely whorship Satan, there is no difference anyway.

If I read u wrong, then my bad.

Maybe I wasn't clear. Let me rephrase.

Satan's goal is prevent people from accepting Jesus as Savior.

Suppose Person A doesn't accept Jesus as Savior. Person A doesn't worship Satan.

Suppose Person B doesn't accept Jesus as Savior. Person B does worship Satan.

Person A and Person B both satisfied Satan's goal. How? Because they both refused to accept Jesus as Savior.

The difference? Person A didn't know he was satisfying Satan's goal.

Satan takes advantage of people, even if they don't worship him.

The "end result" for both Person A and Person B is the same. Neither accepts Jesus, and both satisfy Satan.

Here's another way to look at it:

Person A rejects Jesus but doesn't worship Satan.
Jesus is sad. Satan is happy.

Person B rejects Jesus and does worship Satan.
Jesus is sad. Satan is happy.

Same results.

**Maria** · 01-16-2007, 07:32 PM

Very good explanation.

**shel90** · 01-16-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Maybe I wasn't clear. Let me rephrase.

Satan's goal is prevent people from accepting Jesus as Savior.

Suppose Person A doesn't accept Jesus as Savior. Person A doesn't worship Satan.

Suppose Person B doesn't accept Jesus as Savior. Person B does worship Satan.

Person A and Person B both satisfied Satan's goal. How? Because they both refused to accept Jesus as Savior.

The difference? Person A didn't know he was satisfying Satan's goal.

Satan takes advantage of people, even if they don't worship him.

The "end result" for both Person A and Person B is the same. Neither accepts Jesus, and both satisfy Satan.

Here's another way to look at it:

Person A rejects Jesus but doesn't worship Satan.
Jesus is sad. Satan is happy.

Person B rejects Jesus and does worship Satan.
Jesus is sad. Satan is happy.

Same results.

Ok...that was clear and thanks but I still dont agree. U are entitled to your beliefs and I will respect that. I just dont agree with this part but to each its own.

**Liebling:-)))** · 01-17-2007, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba
Maybe I wasn't clear. Let me rephrase.

Satan's goal is prevent people from accepting Jesus as Savior.

Suppose Person A doesn't accept Jesus as Savior. Person A doesn't worship Satan.

Suppose Person B doesn't accept Jesus as Savior. Person B does worship Satan.

Person A and Person B both satisfied Satan's goal. How? Because they both refused to accept Jesus as Savior.

The difference? Person A didn't know he was satisfying Satan's goal.

Satan takes advantage of people, even if they don't worship him.

The "end result" for both Person A and Person B is the same. Neither accepts Jesus, and both satisfy Satan.

Here's another way to look at it:

Person A rejects Jesus but doesn't worship Satan.
Jesus is sad. Satan is happy.

Person B rejects Jesus and does worship Satan.
Jesus is sad. Satan is happy.

Same results.

Let me to question you...

Suppose Person A accept Jesus as Savior and doesn't worship the bible and Satan.

Person A accept Jesus but rejects the bible and Satan.
Is Jesus sad? Is Satan happy?

Person B rejects the Bible and Satan and does worship God and Jesus.
Is God and Jesus sad? Is Satan happy?

Is it same results?

**Foxrac** · 01-17-2007, 07:33 AM

I remember about Iran is used to be good country until 1979 then Islamic was takeover and removes many Jewish and non-Muslim population.

**Liebling:-)))** · 01-17-2007, 07:43 AM

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I remember about Iran is used to be good country until 1979 then Islamic was takeover and removes many Jewish and non-Muslim population.

True, I can remember that... The children of ex-King & Queen are still at somewhere in America.

**Reba** · 01-17-2007, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Ok...that was clear and thanks but I still dont agree. U are entitled to your beliefs and I will respect that. I just dont agree with this part but to each its own.

OK.

**Reba** · 01-17-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Let me to question you...

Suppose Person A accept Jesus as Savior and doesn't worship the bible and Satan.

If Person A accepts Jesus as Savior, that pleases God.

I don't fully understand what you mean about "doesn't worship the Bible". Christians don't worship the Bible, so I can't answer your question. Can you rephrase that, please?

If Person A doesn't worship Satan, that pleases God, of course.

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Person A accept Jesus but rejects the bible and Satan.
Is Jesus sad? Is Satan happy?

If Person A accepts Jesus that means Person A accepts what the Bible says about Jesus. How could that person reject the Bible? It's the Bible that tells Person A about Jesus and salvation. That doesn't make sense.

If Person A accepts Jesus as Savior, and rejects Satan, then that pleases God, of course.

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Person B rejects the Bible and Satan and does worship God and Jesus.
Is God and Jesus sad? Is Satan happy?

If Person B rejects the Bible, then Person B can't worship God and Jesus because Person B doesn't even know God and Jesus. How can a person worship God and Jesus if he/she doesn't even know about Them? How can a person accept Jesus as Savior if he/she doesn't know about Jesus?

God and Jesus are sad when a person rejects Bible truth.

Satan is happy when a person rejects Bible truth.

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Is it same results?

Your examples aren't parallels (apples-to-apples), so it's hard to compare them.

netrox · 01-17-2007, 04:07 PM

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God and Jesus are sad when a person rejects Bible truth. Satan is happy when a person rejects Bible truth.

I am sad that it reflects your primitive thinking.

mecooncat · 01-17-2007, 04:22 PM

Sadly, my father gave me his bible years ago because he don't believe anything the bible says. He stated that it's all a myth. Well, I can't argue with him. That his choice of words. I will always love my father and we both get along great. Maybe some day he might change his mind who knows?

**Reba** · 01-17-2007, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by netrox

I am sad that it reflects your primitive thinking.

Please explain.

**Reba** · 01-17-2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mecooncat

Sadly, my father gave me his bible years ago because he don't believe anything the bible says. He stated that it's all a myth. Well, I can't argue with him. That his choice of words. I will always love my father and we both get along great. Maybe some day he might change his mind who knows?

I understand. My father was the same way.

You're right--don't argue with him. If he has questions, or wants a discussion, that's fine. But arguing won't do any good. You want to keep a good relationship together. Just live a good example, and pray.

lumbingmi · 01-17-2007, 04:40 PM

Great.

Let every christian bands together and calling for Jesus to come. It has been overdue for Jesus' second coming.

christlovedeaf · 01-17-2007, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KINGOFNOOBS

Great.

Let every christian bands together and calling for Jesus to come. It has been overdue for Jesus' second coming.

Haha, I understand how u feel, but God's timing is perfect how things going on this world. Even the world becoming so intense. But sometimes, when things getting out of hand lot far worse we are having today and no opportunity to share the gospel and many who rejecting the Lord Jesus Christ, time will comes. That's Satan's goal to prevent people from knowing Christ and attacking christians to become more compromise the world's views and etc will lead His coming.

**Phillips** · 01-17-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacman

Agnostic is means that person who nothing to believe on everything but Muslim and other religions that who believe in other person and different belief.

You re right!

**Phillips** · 01-17-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Phillips

You re right!

My friends who are Agnostic too.. But Does believe in ghost or spirts anyway
One of person told me a story
Don't forget about "Caveman" were here first then become us of people now.
Longest longest time ago...
There Leader and hard working people fed up with other people who don't work hard, adultery, parties etc..
They got an idea and told them about bible > God and Evil.. They got scare then become believer in bible book and begin work slave!

**Liebling:-)))** · 01-18-2007, 03:38 AM

Please use your common sense. You know what I'm talking about. You know my opinion in several threads. Now I repeat my opinion/question.

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Originally Posted by Reba

If Person A accepts Jesus as Savior, that pleases God.

Sure

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I don't fully understand what you mean about "doesn't worship the Bible". Christians don't worship the Bible, so I can't answer your question. Can you rephrase that, please?

If Person A doesn't worship Satan, that pleases God, of course.

You know my posts in other threads that I accept to read the bible stories as history, not worship the bible which mean is I don't obey/do what the bible says. Worship bible is you obey/do what the bible says.

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If Person A accepts Jesus that means Person A accepts what the Bible says about Jesus. How could that person reject the Bible? It's the Bible that tells Person A about Jesus and salvation. That doesn't make sense.

You know my view on the bibles in other threads. Again, I accept the bible stories as history, not do/obey the bible. I reject to obey/do what the bible says.

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If Person B rejects the Bible, then Person B can't worship God and Jesus because Person B doesn't even know God and Jesus. How can a person worship God and Jesus if he/she doesn't even know about Them? How can a person accept Jesus as Savior if he/she doesn't know about Jesus?

I accept the bible story as history because God & Jesus didn't force us to obey and do what they says but want us know where we come from. I reject to do/obey (worship) the bible because I know it's human author who wrote the bible to tell us what to do/obey, not God.

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God and Jesus are sad when a person rejects Bible truth.

God and Jesus know the difference between worship the bible and bible stories as history. They gave people free to choose what they like... I choose bible story over worship the bible.

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Satan is happy when a person rejects Bible truth.

Satan is happy when a person worship the bible truth because he knows it's human author who wrotes, not God.

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Your examples aren't parallels (apples-to-apples), so it's hard to compare them.

I repeat my example here. I'm waiting for your answer on my previous question.

It's not hard for you to compare them... ?

**Maria** · 01-18-2007, 05:56 AM

Lieblin' ~

Do you worship God ?

**Liebling:-)))** · 01-18-2007, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberRed

Lieblin' ~

Do you worship God ?

Yes and No.

No, I don't go to church to worship God but everywhere.

Yes, God is my thought and heart at everywhere where I go.

christlovedeaf · 01-18-2007, 10:36 AM

PARTS of the Bible is history. PARTS of the Bible is where God called us to do. PARTS of the Bible also where God spoke thru the writers as like a letter to us. If rejecting the Bible, church, then that would be rejecting Moses, temple, Ezra. Rejecting them is similar as rejecting from what God called us to do. True, we can worship God anywhere. But God called us to gather together in church. Does that mean church is perfect people? No. Not going to church bec feeling insecure? Maybe. Not going to church bec they think they are alright? More likely. Not just church goers, but people not going to church also thinking themselves self righteous, very likely. Have no clue, the purpose of the Bible. By saying I do what God says, not the Bible is pure contradictions. What does the Bible teaches us we should do and don't do? What does GOD says we should do and not do? The fact? No difference. I understand that the Bible has some part the reason is written based on the cultural. But there are many doesn't change what we suppose to do and not to do. That's why many have wrong concept about the Bible and thinking they knows, but the way I see past threads missing a lot of points about the Bible and the purpose of it. Bible means many books and also, Bible is part of different writer since Moses. Bible also, not forget, is written from the scroll of hebrews/greek.

**Reba** · 01-18-2007, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Please use your common sense. You know what I'm talking about. You know my opinion in several threads. Now I repeat my opinion/question.

If I supposedly know your opinion, then what exactly are you asking?

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I repeat my example here. I'm waiting for your answer on my previous question.

It's not hard for you to compare them... ?

Yes, it is hard to compare apples to oranges. But I'll try.

**Reba** · 01-18-2007, 01:26 PM

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You know my posts in other threads that I accept to read the bible stories as history, not worship the bible which mean is I don't obey/do what the bible says. Worship bible is you obey/do what the bible says.

Christians read, study, and obey the Bible. We don't worship the Bible.

So what is your question?

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You know my view on the bibles in other threads. Again, I accept the bible stories as history, not do/obey the bible. I reject to obey/do what the bible says.

So what is your question?

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I accept the bible story as history because God & Jesus didn't force us to obey and do what they says but want us know where we come from. I reject to do/obey (worship) the bible because I know it's human author who wrote the bible to tell us what to do/obey, not God.

So what is your question?

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God and Jesus know the difference between worship the bible and bible stories as history. They gave people free to choose what they like... I choose bible story over worship the bible.

Yes, God gave you free will to either obey or disobey. With that free will, you also have to accept the consequences of your choices. God tells us in His Bible what will happen if we don't repent and accept Jesus as Savior.

God also tells us in His Bible how Christians can please Him and become spiritually mature in their beliefs and actions. There are consequences to all those choices, and God warns us about them in His Bible. God's words in His Bible are also comfort and encourage Christians.

So, what is your question?

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Satan is happy when a person worship the bible truth because he knows it's human author who wrotes, not God.

Huh?
You totally lost me on that one.

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I repeat my example here. I'm waiting for your answer on my previous question.

OK. Where's the example, and what's the question?

**Liebling:-)))** · 01-18-2007, 02:12 PM

I´m not surprise because I know you deny my question... I know my question is not hard.

worship

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2. intransitive verb take part in religious service: to take part in a religious servic

worship definition - Dictionary - MSN Encarta

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christlovedeaf Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: toledo,ohio Posts: 1,868	PARTS of the Bible is history. PARTS of the Bible is where God called us to do. PARTS of the Bible also where God spoke thru the writers as like a letter to us. If rejecting the Bible, church, then that would be rejecting Moses, temple, Ezra. Rejecting them is similar as rejecting from what God called us to do. True, we can worship God anywhere. But God called us to gather together in church. Does that mean church is perfect people? No. Not going to church bec feeling insecure? Maybe. Not going to church bec they think they are alright? More likely. Not just church goers, but people not going to church also thinking themselves self righteous, very likely. Have no clue, the purpose of the Bible. By saying I do what God says, not the Bible is pure contradictions. What does the Bible teaches us we should do and don't do? What does GOD says we should do and not do? The fact? No difference. I understand that the Bible has some part the reason is written based on the cultural. But there are many doesn't change what we suppose to do and not to do. That's why many have wrong concept about the Bible and thinking they knows, but the way I see past threads missing a lot of points about the Bible and the purpose of it. Bible means many books and also, Bible is part of different writer since Moses. Bible also, not forget, is written from the scroll of hebrews/greek.