King James... - Page 3

**Angel** · 01-02-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Liza

Wanna use the ouija board to contact King James and tell him

?

Just joking!

I'm in a funny mood tonight!

LOL, I don't own an ouija board and will never play on one either....

christlovedeaf · 01-02-2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by netrox

Once again, your ignorance is appalling. You cannot tell an opinion from a fact, can you? What you think the Bible says is ALSO your opinion and it does not make it a fact whatsoever.

Yeah, I know what it is. And continue to read a little more... Lot just degraded his OWN virgin daughters by offering them his daughters as sex objects. Nice of Lot!

But it was NOT about sex. Many Bibles misinterpreted saying "They called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to your house tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intimacies with them. (or have sex with them)"

It was NEVER mentioned. The accurate translation is: "Where are the men who came to your house? Bring them out so we may KNOW them."

That explains clearly why it is wrong to assume that "know" means "want to have sex" otherwise many verses that used that term would also mean sex, including sex with God.

Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?

It used Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible to prove that the term was misused and showed that many verses mentioned "KNOW" meaning to know people, not to have sex. He noted different term was used to mean sex.

As for "know men", an analogy would be like INS wanted to know illegal immigrants and citizens would refuse to reveal. Ezekiel 16:48-50 quoted the sins of Sodom and homosexuality wasn't one of them ('Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.)

God did not destroy Sodom because of homosexuality but because of hostility.

The word "KNOW" has many definitions. Like I mentioned several times, english is one of the poorest and confusing language. What you mentioned on Sodom and Gomorrah. What people said to Lot does mean relating to have sex. The Lord didn't blind them because of living in homosexual, the Lord blind them bec of forceful act and acting out as rape. Right, Sodom and Gomorrah wasn't just homosexual, its all other evil acts people has done. But, no, Lot didn't degrading his daughter and use her as sex objects. His daughters couldn't find any man, bec all those men are lovrrs of other men.
Like I mentioned recent posted on Lev 18 mentioned that its disqusting the Lord if a man sleep(sex relationship) with another man. But explained more about the issue of the cultural, not want to repeat it. But yet Christ died for ALL.

**Maria** · 01-02-2007, 07:27 PM

Netrox : Once again, your ignorance is appalling. You cannot tell an opinion from a fact, can you? What you think the Bible says is ALSO your opinion and it does not make it a fact whatsoever.

I know the difference in between fact and opinion. They both are not the same. That Bible is God's Speakin'. Does that means His Words are His Opinion, eh ? I don't think so. He is soo Pure and Holy - there's no such an " opinion " in Him. His Words are FACT. He is the Truth and there's no left or right to Him - only STRAIGHTFORWARD like a double edged sword would go straight towards person's heart to reveal who that person really is. He knows and there's no opinion anywhere in Heaven, either.

Yeah, I know what it is. And continue to read a little more... Lot just degraded his OWN virgin daughters by offering them his daughters as sex objects. Nice of Lot!

There is no such thing as sex object.

But it was NOT about sex. Many Bibles misinterpreted saying "They called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to your house tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intimacies with them. (or have sex with them)"

It was NEVER mentioned. The accurate translation is: "Where are the men who came to your house? Bring them out so we may KNOW them."

Genesis 19:1-11 : They were attempted to " gang rape " at the house of Lot by the wicked men of Sodom. Lot considered this behaviour wicked ( verse 7 ); rapin' his daughters was considered the lesser of two evils ( verse 8 ). This evil of Sodom is mentioned elsewhere ( Jeremiah 23:14; Ezekiel 16:49-50 ; 2 Peter 2:6-10; Jude 1:7 ) in the strongest terms condemnation. The term sodomy has its roots here. A similiar story is found in Judg. 19:22-30.

That explains clearly why it is wrong to assume that "know" means "want to have sex" otherwise many verses that used that term would also mean sex, including sex with God.

Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?

It used Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible to prove that the term was misused and showed that many verses mentioned "KNOW" meaning to know people, not to have sex. He noted different term was used to mean sex.

As for "know men", an analogy would be like INS wanted to know illegal immigrants and citizens would refuse to reveal. Ezekiel 16:48-50 quoted the sins of Sodom and homosexuality wasn't one of them ('Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.)

God did not destroy Sodom because of homosexuality but because of hostility.

God did destroy Sodom because, of " abominable things ". The city was guilty of a full spectrum of sins includin' pride, oppression of the poor, haughtiness, and abominable things.

netrox · 01-02-2007, 08:21 PM

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I know the difference in between fact and opinion. They both are not the same. That Bible is God's Speakin'. Does that means His Words are His Opinion, eh ?

Not a fact. It's an opinion that you think the Bible is God's word. I think Bible is written by men who think God's talking to them.

You apparently haven't reached Piaget's formal operations stage.

christlovedeaf · 01-02-2007, 08:42 PM

God speaks many different ways to the writers, visions, voice, Spirit breathed and many different ways. Look at Jeremiah's time, religious leader claimed God told the people that Babylonians won't come, Jeremiah said they will and also, lok at Job, 3 different person include religious leader using God. There are varieties. What's in the Bible there are facts and profs, but as location how some use thinking wherever its at, never have proven. There's so much in that. Look at the cross for example and Immanuel was born which OT prophesied. Tho, like some jews still doubt and short sighted which some jews enlighten and found the evidence which match Jesus as Messiah. Like Roman's ruler seeking to kill the "King". But misrepesent King of what. Thinking politically, which it isn't. That's why, even the brightest people still short sighted not realizing what God is saying. There's so much. Humans are like children, want want want, thinking its fun to play with the stove. That's I'm giving u the idea what this life is all about. Yes, I've seeing by saying " not see the world and hapening". I do, and seen and heard and involved. I see the parallel. And still learning just like everyone else. Be reasonable why I believe just as u believe.

EagleCherokee63 · 01-02-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Heath

I am not surprised the catholic church would make up something like this, knowing how good the catholic church are with forged and trumped up doucements. The catholic v.s. protestant fight on just about everything. F.Y.I.

BINGO! I knew it!!!!! Catholic not truth!

EagleCherokee63 · 01-02-2007, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberRed

Yep, I have one book like this with me here. I love that book, it helps to learn alot if, I have somethin' pop up in my mind.

It is really good book. I found one that I've always wanted that it has KJV Bible WITH Strong's Exhastive Concordance in it, but - gee, it costs about $ 80.00. Yikes ! LOL That's alot of money eh ? But, hey I was thinkin' twice that it is only one time payment will last me a lifetime. I am sure I will use it alot.

me tooo!!! Dont worry count alot of money! because It very important your is count grow spiritually

**Reba** · 01-02-2007, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by netrox

... I think Bible is written by men who think God's talking to them. ...

In other words, that's your opinion.

netrox · 01-02-2007, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

In other words, that's your opinion.

Duh! You think I don't know that?!?!

She makes it a "fact" that the Bible is God's Word. That's AN opinion. She's not able to distinguish her opinion from a fact. I said she THINKS, I THINK therefore it's an opinion, not a fact.

netrox · 01-02-2007, 10:15 PM

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BINGO! I knew it!!!!! Catholic not truth!

So all Catholics are liars and you're not?

**Maria** · 01-03-2007, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by netrox

Duh! You think I don't know that?!?!

She makes it a "fact" that the Bible is God's Word. That's AN opinion. She's not able to distinguish her opinion from a fact. I said she THINKS, I THINK therefore it's an opinion, not a fact.

Oh, YOU think that I THINK ? I don't see where I stated that I THINK. I DON'T MAKE it a " fact " that the Bible is God's Word. It's GOD ! He is the one who makes them fact, because He is THE TRUTH. And, I BELIEVE Him. He don't lie to me. You are the one who is NOT able to distinguish in between God's Words and opinion, just because YOU are the one who don't believe EVERYTHIN' God says when it is the truth as fact. And, don't tell me that I am ignorant.

netrox · 01-03-2007, 09:58 AM

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And, don't tell me that I am ignorant.

You are, unfortunately.

**Maria** · 01-03-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by netrox

You are, unfortunately.

To God, I am not ignorant. To God, you are ignorant.

netrox · 01-03-2007, 02:05 PM

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To God, I am not ignorant. To God, you are ignorant.

I don't care.

mecooncat · 01-03-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by netrox

So all Catholics are liars and you're not?

Catholics are full of liars. Have you seen their churches loaded with gold and silver? See how they dressed in a nice fancy clothing. They keep secrets from us. Until few years ago about priests molested the children. They are full lies and greedy. Thank-God, I'm not Catholic. They think they have the "REAL" holy grail? A cup? It's not real. Remember in the bible, Jesus ate the last supper, there is no holy grail stated in the book. But the Catholics believes it.

Q & A: Is there a difference between Catholic and Christian?

christlovedeaf · 01-03-2007, 10:33 PM

Well, not all catholics are the same. Some catholics changed to become more like protestant teaching. Friend of mine who were catholics had shared with me, that very early catholic years, priest were married, till like centuries later begin to change, bec based on the priest. And many fall on priest teaching. There were some bad and dangerous priest in early years. As of today some catholics believe they were apostalics hand down teaching. This is why protestant begin, bec some studying and found something isn't right. That's how catholics slaughtered protestant, bec a refusal to keep catholic faith. Fortuante, we don't have that today. And good thing, how Ireland finally get peace btwn them too and so many gave their lives to Christ as emphasize doesn't matter if you are catholic or protestant, bec neither will get u to heaven, only faith in Christ alone ( born again) many has joined one another as seeing Joyce Meyers, Billy Graham, Gaithers Homecoming concert and etc. Its a beautiful thing.

Askjo · 01-05-2007, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

A large number of Scholars are confident that King James was gay.

Who are Scholars?

Askjo · 01-05-2007, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by netrox

I am NOT. Some Christians are fond of making judgments against homosexuals and that's exactly why I started this thread. Never did I say homosexuality is wrong or that he is wrong because he's gay.

Romans 1:26-27 (KJV)

Verse 26 is lesbain.
Verse 27 is gay.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

If God is against the homosexuality, Christians are against the unnatural practices. Therefore the Scriptures disapprove the homosexuality. PERIOD!

**Banjo** · 01-05-2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Askjo

Who are Scholars?

Someone that's not you.

Askjo · 01-05-2007, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by netrox

I think Bible is written by men who think God's talking to them.

The Bible is the God-speaking through the Holy Spirit thru the holy authors' down writings. The word, "Scripture" means down writing. The Bible is the Scripture. The Bible is the Scripture that God inspired. The Bible is "God inspired Word" that the Holy Spirit carried along in the holy authors' writings.

Askjo · 01-05-2007, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Someone that's not you.

Interestingly, unnamed?????? Do you trust them????

jazzy · 01-06-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Askjo

Interestingly, unnamed?????? Do you trust them????

It is possible he does not trust u.

deafdyke · 01-06-2007, 05:27 PM

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I DO think homosexuality is wrong.

That's nice. I think people who lump people like me in with real sinners, like rapists, child molesters, murderers and stuff like that are wrong.
If the Bible is so straightfoward about homosexuality being a sin, then how come there's so much debate in different deonominations about it being a sin or not? I will bet you in twenty years, people will look back and think "OMG! GLBers were treated SO badly!" Exactly like the way people look back at
the religious beliefs of some primative(old school) Baptists back in the '60's, and are horrified. Back then, those beliefs were MAINSTREAM. Now people just associate those kinds of beliefs with Ku Klux Klanners or Christian Idenity or the more extreme fringe at Bob Jones University or Hyles-Anderson College.
It's happening already........it's just that conservatives don't want to admit it.
I can't see why God would call me a sinner b/c I happen to love someone. God is love. Love is God. There's a verse in the Bible that says that He who knows love, knows God. Can't remmy the chapter and verse, but I will look it up.
I am bisexual. I like both boys and girls. The feelings I have for girls are no different from the feelings I have for boys. I like their SOUL not the fact that they have a penis or a vagina. God knows that. I am a sinner yes........but how can love......that which is the VERY essense of God be wrong? That's like saying that He is a sin.

Askjo · 01-06-2007, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzy

It is possible he does not trust u.

Too bad.

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01-02-2007, 07:27 PM	#63 (permalink)
Maria Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WISCONSIN Posts: 10,309	Netrox : Once again, your ignorance is appalling. You cannot tell an opinion from a fact, can you? What you think the Bible says is ALSO your opinion and it does not make it a fact whatsoever. I know the difference in between fact and opinion. They both are not the same. That Bible is God's Speakin'. Does that means His Words are His Opinion, eh ? I don't think so. He is soo Pure and Holy - there's no such an " opinion " in Him. His Words are FACT. He is the Truth and there's no left or right to Him - only STRAIGHTFORWARD like a double edged sword would go straight towards person's heart to reveal who that person really is. He knows and there's no opinion anywhere in Heaven, either. Yeah, I know what it is. And continue to read a little more... Lot just degraded his OWN virgin daughters by offering them his daughters as sex objects. Nice of Lot! There is no such thing as sex object. But it was NOT about sex. Many Bibles misinterpreted saying "They called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to your house tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intimacies with them. (or have sex with them)" It was NEVER mentioned. The accurate translation is: "Where are the men who came to your house? Bring them out so we may KNOW them." Genesis 19:1-11 : They were attempted to " gang rape " at the house of Lot by the wicked men of Sodom. Lot considered this behaviour wicked ( verse 7 ); rapin' his daughters was considered the lesser of two evils ( verse 8 ). This evil of Sodom is mentioned elsewhere ( Jeremiah 23:14; Ezekiel 16:49-50 ; 2 Peter 2:6-10; Jude 1:7 ) in the strongest terms condemnation. The term sodomy has its roots here. A similiar story is found in Judg. 19:22-30. That explains clearly why it is wrong to assume that "know" means "want to have sex" otherwise many verses that used that term would also mean sex, including sex with God. Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality? It used Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible to prove that the term was misused and showed that many verses mentioned "KNOW" meaning to know people, not to have sex. He noted different term was used to mean sex. As for "know men", an analogy would be like INS wanted to know illegal immigrants and citizens would refuse to reveal. Ezekiel 16:48-50 quoted the sins of Sodom and homosexuality wasn't one of them ('Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.) God did not destroy Sodom because of homosexuality but because of hostility. God did destroy Sodom because, of " abominable things ". The city was guilty of a full spectrum of sins includin' pride, oppression of the poor, haughtiness, and abominable things.

01-02-2007, 08:42 PM	#65 (permalink)
christlovedeaf Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: toledo,ohio Posts: 1,868	God speaks many different ways to the writers, visions, voice, Spirit breathed and many different ways. Look at Jeremiah's time, religious leader claimed God told the people that Babylonians won't come, Jeremiah said they will and also, lok at Job, 3 different person include religious leader using God. There are varieties. What's in the Bible there are facts and profs, but as location how some use thinking wherever its at, never have proven. There's so much in that. Look at the cross for example and Immanuel was born which OT prophesied. Tho, like some jews still doubt and short sighted which some jews enlighten and found the evidence which match Jesus as Messiah. Like Roman's ruler seeking to kill the "King". But misrepesent King of what. Thinking politically, which it isn't. That's why, even the brightest people still short sighted not realizing what God is saying. There's so much. Humans are like children, want want want, thinking its fun to play with the stove. That's I'm giving u the idea what this life is all about. Yes, I've seeing by saying " not see the world and hapening". I do, and seen and heard and involved. I see the parallel. And still learning just like everyone else. Be reasonable why I believe just as u believe.

01-03-2007, 10:33 PM	#76 (permalink)
christlovedeaf Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: toledo,ohio Posts: 1,868	Well, not all catholics are the same. Some catholics changed to become more like protestant teaching. Friend of mine who were catholics had shared with me, that very early catholic years, priest were married, till like centuries later begin to change, bec based on the priest. And many fall on priest teaching. There were some bad and dangerous priest in early years. As of today some catholics believe they were apostalics hand down teaching. This is why protestant begin, bec some studying and found something isn't right. That's how catholics slaughtered protestant, bec a refusal to keep catholic faith. Fortuante, we don't have that today. And good thing, how Ireland finally get peace btwn them too and so many gave their lives to Christ as emphasize doesn't matter if you are catholic or protestant, bec neither will get u to heaven, only faith in Christ alone ( born again) many has joined one another as seeing Joyce Meyers, Billy Graham, Gaithers Homecoming concert and etc. Its a beautiful thing.