netrox

Religion is a choice. It's YOUR choice to believe that homosexuality is wrong. Being gay is not a choice. Big difference.

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EagleCherokee63

Show me proof!

EagleCherokee63

AMEN!

dkf747

Most researchers would not consider Wikipedia a good source for facts. In this debate, Wikipedia is the equivalent of Chick Publications. Better find something better to support your argument.

christlovedeaf

Everyone have choices in every aspects in life. Both side scientist still have disagreements on the view of gays. Every person have tendencies of any kinds. Yes, my beliefs that practicing homosexual is a sin, sin as of other sins. But feeling desires and etc isn't a sin, but get into it, is sin. As religions goes, yes, its a choice, God gave us a choice, either accept or reject. We are human, inspite of degree of intelectual are still short coming.

netrox

NPR : Assessing Wikipedia's Accuracy

"In the wake of questions of accuracy, a survey by the science journal Nature finds that science entries in the volunteer-driven, online encyclopedia Wikipedia are "not markedly less accurate" than those found in Encyclopaedia Britannica. Nature reporter Mark Peplow discusses the survey."

Translation: it's very accurate. Would they say the same for Chick Publication? No. It's full of hot air and full of opinions.

christlovedeaf

There are argumentive in every way. People have their preference to choose what they think. No matter what you read. If u read thinking their is no argumentive about american history, I don't agree. Bec there are some are editing the whole stroy. Some put all the good out and put the bad in, just like mews media. There are very broad views of opinions and argumentive.

EagleCherokee63

Please don't make any judgment against King James, netrox, you said "
That disgusting Bible project was headed by a homosexual! Horrible!" You see an idea about Jesus what He was saying. When all of those people were chasing after the whore (woman). She was running toward Jesus Christ, she knelt down in front of Him. When those people who chasing the whore were planning to stoning to her death. Then Jesus Christ put on hold those people off, He sat down and thinking when using his finger in circle on the ground. He stood up and it is same for all of you people! What it means why those people judging against the whore (woman) means it is worse than others? Those people were shocked and they dropped the stones to the ground. After that, they immediately left! Jesus Christ told the whore (woman) to sin no more! She knelt down before Him and ask for forgiveness. That is what I wanted to share with you that you cannot measure with other people like that! Jesus Christ is the only way to come into your heart and you can accept His blood to come into your heart and cleanse away all of your sins.

If there were any computer back in 1600's and information were included about the King James' background then I would have believed it by now. That is why we have so much controversial issues because of getting all different facts about King James. We just never know if the information has been covered up!?!?

dkf747

Believe what you want about Wikipedia, but if it is your only source then you haven't really researched anything yet.

mecooncat

If you want to read about Life about King James. Here's the link: I'm sure there's more links than this.

The Life of King James I of England

Liza

Whether King James was gay or not, I prefer to see the kind of leadership used under his rule. I hesitate to call his era an enlightened period from where the KJVx5 bible sprang from, however... *tongue in cheek*

Wiki this

(with sources cited:

* Bobrick, Benson (2001). The Making of The English Bible. Simon & Schuster. ISBN 0-297-60772-3
* McGrath, Alister (2002). In the Beginning: The Story of the King James Bible and How it Changed a Nation, a Language, and a Culture. Anchor/Doubleday. ISBN 0-385-72216-8
* Daniel, David (2003). The Bible in English: Its History and Influence. Yale. ISBN 0-300-09930-4.
* Nicolson, Adam (2003) God's Secretaries: The Making of the King James Bible ISBN 0-06-018516-3
* Farstad, Arthur (2003). The New King James Version: In The Great Tradition. Nelson Reference. ISBN 0-7852-5175-8.
* The Geneva Bible 1599 (L. L. Brown, 1991) ISBN 0-9629888-0-4
* Holladay, William (2002). Unbound by Time: Isaiah Still Speaks. Cowley Publications. ISBN 1-56101-204-1.
* The Holy Bible: 1611 Edition (Thos. Nelson, 1993) ISBN 0-8407-0028-8.
o While the Nelson facsimile edition is out of print, the same facsimile is currently published by Hendrickson Publishers, ISBN 1-56563-160-9. Both of these Bibles reprint a Roman-type facsimile originally published by the University of Oxford in 1833.
* McAfee, Cleland Boyd (1912). The Influence of the King James Version on English Literature. Retrieved 22 November 2004.
* Forbes, Dennis (1992). Did the Almighty intend His book to be copyrighted?, European Christian Bookstore Journal, April 1992
* Spurgeon, Charles (1899). The Last Words of Christ on the Cross.

[edit] Notes

1. ^ Article VI: Of the Sufficiency of the Holy Scriptures for Salvation see 1762 edition as recorded at Anglicans Online
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netrox

I am NOT. Some Christians are fond of making judgments against homosexuals and that's exactly why I started this thread. Never did I say homosexuality is wrong or that he is wrong because he's gay.

mecooncat

I can't find anything in the bible stated about homosexuals. Tell me the chapter and version.

Maria

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
" Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God ".

Dictionary : Effeminate

Main Entry: 1ef·fem·i·nate
Pronunciation: -n&t
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin effeminatus, from past participle of effeminare to make effeminate, from ex- + femina woman -- more at FEMININE
1 : having feminine qualities untypical of a man : not manly in appearance or manner
2 : marked by an unbecoming delicacy or overrefinement <effeminate art> <an effeminate civilization>

EagleCherokee63

Why you brought it up thread here?

Maria

Fond ? What makes you think that some Christians are fond of makin' judgments ?

netrox

CyberRed,

Effeminate is a relative term. It's not absolute. What's considered effiminate may not be effeminate in other cultures. For example, long hair is sometimes considered effiminiate yet some think its masculine.

Japanese men are considered more effiminate than European men since they have little body hair and less muscle tone.

In that verse, Paul was clearly talking about men who acted like women. Nowadays, I am sure he'd be appalled at how effiminate men are nowadays and how some women are leaders of churches. The problem I have with Paul is that he's a cultural bigot and his letters were all his opinions and delusions.

christlovedeaf

Lev 18:22 " its disgusting for a man to have sex with another man". (CEV) Romans 1 talked about that similar way. As cultural, many extremist using those verses without understanding the purpose why Paul wrote. Bec not thinking cultural is part of it, which is part of it. For example, look btwn the different God did toward King David and King Saul. Why God bless David more? Bec God looks the heart. King David sufferewd severe consequences. God cut off Saul, why? Debauchery and pride and kept in his heart which why God couldn't able to work with him. David, he was broken heart, each in different time when he has been. Like King David commited conspiracy. But he covered it up for a year, till God came toward Nathan, King David respond differently than Saul. This is similar for all of us. Jesus identified our struggles and He paid off our debtss, but we have to take our accountable to God everything we do, think and say. When I watch how Jesus talked and walked along with how people around me by how to share it properly. Many christians fail to follow that. It does not mean being open mind or being judgemental. Have to know the person. Each person have to agree how God sees us and what we need to do. God is full of grace and love and He also is God of judgement and vengeance. I'm not against women preachers, its depend what type of women they are. Paul rebuke women of poor behavior. I'm very strong supporter of Joyce Meyers, she has a very great example how she teaches. Biblehas very broad examples. Those who studies and allow God to speak to them in daily or most of the time will be enlighten and see what God is saying. Most does not use Bible properly and even humanist using it without understanding it. Tho, there will never be agreement, just like Pharoah and Moses, for example. Jesus and religious leaders, people take side since creation.
Black sheep always in the midst.

Angel

You assume that some Christian people are making judgements against homosexuals when they're only preaching what the bible says, yet I see nothing wrong with that at the same time you people come in here and making judgements against those Christians people, hmmmm...


Again there is no proof that King James was homosexual.... Don't believe everything you hear or read...seek the truth

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Banjo

Here's the proof.

This is a scan of a letter from King James to his lover The Earl of Buckingham. A large number of Scholars are confident that King James was gay.

Source: http://www.catholicapologetics.net/apolo_148.htm

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Angel

Were you there when King James wrote this? of course there wil be number of people who saying hes gay, haters of course could be the main role in spreading such a lies....

I rather to hear it from King James himself, not anyone else....

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mecooncat

This should be interesting to read:

Modern Hermeneutics: Treatment of Ethics and Applications

mecooncat

Oh I forgot to add: I have a book called, "The New Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of Bible." It's like a dictionary of the bible. That book is heavy. It has english, hebrew and greek in it. I'm sure some of you have heard of it.

Banjo

King James King is long dead. But quite a lot of his love letters are preserved and kept by historians. These are enough to prove that he was gay.

If we were to think the way you do, then the Bible wouldn't be considered the words of God because men wrote it, not him. Jesus Christ died many years ago, yet so many people believe the verses written down in the Bible to be the words of God.

Sorry, but it's just not logical.

The love letters speak for itself. The reason why this isn't something to dismiss is because of his role in the translation of the Bible. It's not insignificant.

Maria

Yep, I have one book like this with me here. I love that book, it helps to learn alot if, I have somethin' pop up in my mind. It is really good book. I found one that I've always wanted that it has KJV Bible WITH Strong's Exhastive Concordance in it, but - gee, it costs about $ 80.00. Yikes ! LOL That's alot of money eh ? But, hey I was thinkin' twice that it is only one time payment will last me a lifetime. I am sure I will use it alot.

Maria

Well, that's what YOU believe it means. Your opinion, but that's NOT what the bible says. It talked about their behaviour, not about their long hair or masculine. God wasn't talkin' about their appearance. God was talkin' about their behaviour. Appearance and behaviour are 2 different things.

Know what " Sodomy " means to you ? The bible talked about Sodom and Gomorrah - very wickedness twin cities. In Genesis 19:4-8 explained about their unnatural lusts of the men of Sodom. It also have given us the modern term sodomy.

Dictionary : Sodomy

Main Entry: sod·omy
Pronunciation: 'sä-d&-mE
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French sodomie, from Late Latin Sodoma Sodom; from the homosexual proclivities of the men of the city in Genesis 19:1-11
: anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal
- sod·om·it·ic /"sä-d&-'mi-tik/ or sod·om·it·i·cal /-ti-k&l/ adjective

Definition of sodomy - Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Liza

Wanna use the ouija board to contact King James and tell him ? Just joking! I'm in a funny mood tonight!

Heath

I am not surprised the catholic church would make up something like this, knowing how good the catholic church are with forged and trumped up doucements. The catholic v.s. protestant fight on just about everything. F.Y.I.

netrox

Once again, your ignorance is appalling. You cannot tell an opinion from a fact, can you? What you think the Bible says is ALSO your opinion and it does not make it a fact whatsoever.

Yeah, I know what it is. And continue to read a little more... Lot just degraded his OWN virgin daughters by offering them his daughters as sex objects. Nice of Lot!

But it was NOT about sex. Many Bibles misinterpreted saying "They called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to your house tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intimacies with them. (or have sex with them)"

It was NEVER mentioned. The accurate translation is: "Where are the men who came to your house? Bring them out so we may KNOW them."

That explains clearly why it is wrong to assume that "know" means "want to have sex" otherwise many verses that used that term would also mean sex, including sex with God.

Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?

It used Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible to prove that the term was misused and showed that many verses mentioned "KNOW" meaning to know people, not to have sex. He noted different term was used to mean sex.

As for "know men", an analogy would be like INS wanted to know illegal immigrants and citizens would refuse to reveal. Ezekiel 16:48-50 quoted the sins of Sodom and homosexuality wasn't one of them ('Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.)

God did not destroy Sodom because of homosexuality but because of hostility.

Reba

Yes, I also have a copy of the book. You have to be "strong" to pick it up, it is so big, ha, ha.