hottiedeafboi

Correct, davinci is fiction and the fact is Jesus never married. Also, knowing what crusaders and islam incident you can see the movie, "Kingdom of Heaven". Get this, called christian killed jews and islam, is not how that happppen or get the whole story, that movie will get you an idea what has happen. Taking advantage and put the blame and make a laugh about christians is appalling.

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Cane Corso

I know pretty good about Islam and their cultures. I have spoken to many Muslims and my boyfriend's best friend is a Muslim. Both Muslims and Christians believe in one same GOD. Both religions do not worship more than one God. We all speak different languages. Allah is an Arabic terminology for God. If you look up in the dictionary, you will find the same word that mean same as a God. Teresh knows quite a lot about different religions and she has more credits than you do. She has proven herself many times she is an intelligent young woman with a brilliant education. My opinion, she has an excellent English writing and reading comprehension skills than you do.

Heath

Hi Teresh, You really misinterpreted that there is no violence in the Qur'an and you are very seriously mistaken. Islamic terrorists attacked us on American soil as well as before that as far back as 1983, Beirut that I can remember of and Quite frankly, Teresh ..... I still can not believe you said there is no violence in the Qur'an.

Here is a video clip of actual events that happened in Israel. Subtitles included. Clean video clip, no blood or gore ok ?

Watch to see what happens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz-BF...elated&search=

Cane Corso

Islam is a religion. You don't call people Islam, but you call them Muslims. If you knew enough about Islam, you would have pronounced it properly.

Cane Corso

I will be back and Iwill discuss about Quran, I am going to explain a few things about iit. I m sure it will clear up confusions about those terrorists. I have to swim with Riley now. I need to excrise one of his legs from a surgery

Teresh

Get this: Kingdom of Heaven is fiction too.

You're not getting the whole story from a fictional film. Like it or not, the Crusaders *did* slaughter every non-Christian in Jerusalem when they gained control over it. Ignoring that fact does not mean that it didn't happen.

hottiedeafboi

Well, as it goes, its interesting how we met different culture in islam believes differently. Well, I won't teresh maybe, but not attitude plus Reba is smart as well, but good attitude. Now I'm confuse, you said teresh is a she and other said its a he. Which is it. But no, the reason you said highly of teresh is bec , whomever is a christian, that's who you talked and mocked about and don't use wrong perspective about me, bec I was in those cultural, buti was in trinidad and tobago where there are strong believes. Not only that, when I pperformed in music in sign language there, one very devout islam woman came to watch and been told she never smile all those years till after I performed, she came up to me with glowed face of smile and her sons was thrilled, bec her twin sons are christians and she said, sure this place fill the presence of your God. Did I force her to believe or anything like that? NO. Why? Its God's work in her life. I ve been received further noticed that their mom wondering how I was and also, tho she keeps her faith bec family tradition. She still has discerned spirit and knowing if Christ really the One. But I don't know how she is now, bec its been a while. I'm a christian, but not conservative and neither as liberal. Bec I kept seeing all the wrong views of christians and bad improper language and twisting the blame whomever they stand. Its not really about christian, its just dispitedul against christians. And not only that, I don't make people believe. I have a liberal friend read this post, me twisting and stuff? She laughed and thought wow, and even she admit, is teresh a girl or a boy I said I don't know and what about netrox and I said I believe its a guy. She said both of them are so rude talk. I said, I know, I'm glad you'd seeing that. She and I have different views and she said, I'm very easy to talk to and shared and even she thinks, online lead a lot of misunderstanding and I said, I agree and even I sadi that.

Cane Corso

If you are interested to learn more about Islam, I highly suggest you to take a class like middle eastern studies. It teaches you many things about the religion itself than you can speak to many people about. Not everyone is an islam expert here and you won't learn everything from me by telling you what they are all about. If you spoke to a muslim person about the religion, you may learn a few things. You will not learn the rich information about it because you need to dig up. You have to get your hands on like read those books written by people who live in those areas. Saudi Arabia is not same as Jordan or Lebanon. Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Turkey are more democratic than Saudi Arabia. Women do have more freedom in those countries.

Islam is one religion kind of title, but there are endless lists on what kind of worshipers they are like Sunnis, Shis, Shitties, etc. You can't label them all together as Islam because they all do not believe in the same thing. They translate the Koran in a different way just like Christians do. Sunnis and Shittes hate each other so much and they fight daily. Just like those fighting between Protestant and Catholic in Northern Ireland.

Maria

Teresh, I don't worship Muslims' god. Muslims' god and the true believers' God are not the same. I don't believe the same as you do. I don't believe in Mohammed, either ... that's different god from the true believers'. Their doctrine is different from the true believers'. Both of Christianity and Muslims' doctrines are entirely different. Same goes with Catholic, because of its Catchism ( sp ?? )... Catholic's doctrine is different, too. They worship the Virgin Mary ( statue ). Hindu worship Shaman ( sp ?? ) statue. And, now I heard that Mormon worship Bail. For Illuminati, they worship Phoenix ( more than 7 feet high statue ). There's a Satan church and they worship Satan as their god. So, are you tellin' me that Satan and God are the same God as one eh ?

You can't say that I am not Christian, if I don't worship the same god as their god.

I prefer to worship Jesus Christ, the Breathin' Word as my God. Jesus Christ is not a statue that I worship. I don't need to see somethin' to draw to. I believe in faith without seein' Him, knowin' that He is there/in my heart. He is right here beside me. I believe that He is always with me - never forsake me.

Why it is necessary for other different religions to worship their statues as if, it don't talk, or see, or breathe, or anythin' that is livin' like THE REAL GOD is ?
It only brings them their devil they worship without bein' aware of it. They may say it is magic or wonder and thought it was from their god, but really it was the devil's works. I still don't agree with you things that you believe or say.

Reba

No, it isn't, and no, they don't.

"Allah" is NOT part of the Triune Godhead of the Heavenly Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

hottiedeafboi

No, not "christians". And you don't know particular military of crusaders. And non christian slaughtered christians. The only problem is part of the story you got and getting the wrong idea about crusaders. Did you know there are christians was slaughtered by crusaders also. And not only that, there are still ongoing about islamic world different group killed each others is very similar. But like Billy Graham said like in Ireland, it is not called holy war and that's not what God taught us to be. And guess what? I just found out by friend of mine said the reason the people I met is different what you studied about islamics. Btw, I know what muslim and islam as muslim as people, islam as religion. But the reason they said they didn't believe same God we believe, because we believe Trinity, but they didn't realize that we also worship Jehovah. Its in the mixed. About btwn islam and muslim, meant to corso.

Cane Corso

Health,

One thing you need to understand about Quran. Somewhere in the Quran that said it is only ok to kill others people if a group of enemies attacked the muslim families first before, they have the right to declare a war. They called it Jihad, means to come together as one Islam and fight for the holy war.

You need to remember the Crusade wars in 11th til 13th Centuries, Saladin called for a Jihad war against Catholic people in Jerusalem because they slaughted a thousand of Muslims. They did this to protect their people and took the land back until 1946. Mujahidn were permitted to protect their families from under attack by enemies. It could be either Christians or Jews. Another war like that was between Muslims, vikings, Magyars, and Eastern Orthox Byzantine Empire. It means they have the right to kill those people because the enemies attacked first.

Now you understand why they still have a giant problem in Israel because Israeli soliders kept shooting Palestinains. Now this expalins why the Palestinians kept fight back. Suggest you to rent this movie called Wall directed by Simone Bitton. It is a good movie and might give you a very different idea and view on those Palestinians.

Reba

No, it isn't. It is a perversion of Judaism and Christianity.

If Allah is the same as God, then why would the Muslims need the Koran? Why wouldn't they just use the Bible?


The Catholic Church instigated the Crusades and the attack on Jews in Spain.


That is NOT Christian doctrine; it is NOT in the Bible; that is NOT what is taught in Bible-believing churches, fundamental and even "mainstream".

Reba

High IQ and excellent English skills don't necessarily equate with spiritual wisdom and discernment.

Psalm 111
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Proverbs 1
7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 9
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Teresh

I'm female.

Then you're not a Christian. You've just denied that you worship God. Does that not make you ?

You're mistaken. I don't have to convince you of the fact that you are mistaken though. Indeed, you are content in your ignorance, so I would be unable to do so anyway.

I don't have a problem with your beliefs, I have a problem with the fact that you disrespect Muslims and disrpect God. If you're really a Christian, heck, if you're even really a Theist, stop denying the existence of God. If you deny God, and yet claim to have theistic beliefs, you're just lying to yourself.



Mohammed is a prophet in Islam, not God.



So you feel that you have the authority from God to determine what GOD, the Absolute Authority in the universe, believes in? Wow. I bet you think you're God Incarnate too.



That's your naivete speaking. Muslims believe in Jesus, if you didn't know. Muslims regard both Hebrew and Christian scripture as canon and the Word of God.



You worship statues of Jesus, crucifixes, crosses, whatever. What's your point?



It's spelled Brahma.



Mormons worship Jesus.



Sorry, but I'm a monotheist. I don't believe that there is a Satan because I believe in only one God. If you want to believe there is a such thing as a God of Evil, fine, go ahead, but don't claim to be a monotheist.



I sure can. If you don't worship their God, you don't worship your own God. Thus, you are not a practicioner of your own religion. That's both irrational and nonsensical, so why don't you just accept that God exists and that Allah is simply another name for God? Your other option is to reject your faith and that's fine too. Pick one or the other, but your current way of living, claiming to be a Christian but denying the existence of God is hypocritical and illogical.



Muslims feel the same for God as you do.



Most of the major religions don't have idols... Idolatry is by and large disappearing.

You don't have to agree with me, you just have to stop living a lie.

The fact that you deny God does not make you right... Like CyberRed, actually, it makes you a liar to yourself.

So where does Adonai fit in there? Elohim? El? YHVH? Ein Sof?

Teresh

Jews don't believe in the Trinity either. Do they worship the same God?

Why wouldn't Christians just use the Tanakh? Oh, right, their religion is an "expanded" form of Judaism. Much the same, Islam incorporates Hebrew and Christian scripture into its beliefs as well as including the Qur'an.

The Catholic Church is a Christian organisation. Accept that. Your religion is not without sin. I'm not whitewashing the history of any religion and nor should you.

Not *now*... But I can assure you the Crusaders and Spaniards (in 1492) thought differently.

Cane Corso

[QUOTE=Reba]High IQ and excellent English skills don't necessarily equate with spiritual wisdom and discernment.[QUOTE=Reba]

I think this comment sounds like a bit contempt to me.

Reba

The God that Jews worship is part of the Trinity. They might not accept the Son and the Holy Spirit but God is still the same God. Allah of the Muslims is a totally different entity. He is NOT part of the Trinity. Did Mohammed in the Koran claim that Allah is part of a trinity?


The Christian "New" Testament is a continuation of the "Old". The New Testament doesn't contradict or surplant the Old.

Matthew 5
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.


The doctrines of the Catholic Church have never been my doctrines.

I don't trust in any organization or religion. I trust in a Savior.


Those were the doctrines and practices of only the Catholic Church.

I don't understand why you constantly keep mixing Christian believers and the Roman Catholic Church together. They are not one and the same, and they never have been. Are you trying to instigate a "Catholic v. Christian" bashing war?

Reba

[QUOTE=Cane Corso][QUOTE=Reba]High IQ and excellent English skills don't necessarily equate with spiritual wisdom and discernment.How so?

I thought the comments directed at hottiedeafboi were rather rude and condescending.

hottiedeafboi

Teresh, some jews believe Trinity, but I always know about jewish worshipped bec, the OT and NT combined and matched the view and the as of plumbline is perfect straightdown. Cyber Red, hehehhe, in some you are right but there are some wrong also, its ok, since I know you, we always shared. And teresh, did you know that even christians who refuse agree with catholic been slaughtered also. The best way like I mostly use the word "some" instead particular one group make it appear stereotypical about them. Now, the rest of us, the war at Israel been going on over thousands of thousands of years, mostly for example, like Book of Judges, Elijah, Book of Jeremiah, since the rebellion of the jews which God allowed bec He gave them time, but still stubborn, and the war is still on ever since.

Reba

So why do they torture and behead civilian contractors who are trying to rebuild their country, and pacifist aid workers who are trying to help Iraqi people, and non-combatant newsmen who are trying to tell the Iraqi story?


You have it backwards.

The Palestinians attacked first. The Palestinian leaders want to destroy Israel. The Palestinians are NOT in a self-defense mode.

Teresh

YHVH is *not* part of a "Trinity". There is only ONE God. Mohammed didn't need to claim Allah is part of the Trinity because Islam, like Judaism, does not have the concept of a "Trinity".

Neither does the Qur'an contradict or supplant Christian or Hebrew scripture.

What's your point? I never said that they were your personal doctrines, just acknowledged that you put Christians on a high pedestal by ignoring the atrocities committed by them in the name of Jesus. I'm not blaming you personally for the mistakes of Christians five centuries ago. I'm looking for you to acknowledge that other followers of your religion have brought both great good and great evil to the world.

The Roman Catholic Church comprises the majority of the world's Christians, if you've forgotten. Are all Christians Catholic? No, but most are.

No. I just think you need to acknowledge the status of your Christian brothers and sisters in the Catholic Church.

Jews that practice Judaism do not believe in the Trinity as it conflicts with the Sh'ma, which is essentially the creed of Judaism. The Sh'ma is a simple prayer, only six words long: Sh'ma Yisrael! Adonai eloheinu, Adonai echad! It means, "Hear, Israel! The Lord is God, the Lord alone!"

There is only one essential belief in Judaism and that belief is that there is only one God, a concept that is mutually exclusive with the idea of a Trinity. That belief is the essence of the Sh'ma and the core of Judaism.

Heath

Teresh, You are forgetting something ..... Judaism has commited crimes in the name of G-d too. You are acting as Judaism is innocent and Judaism sure as hell ain't innocent either, look through the Old Testament and look throughout jewish history killing Gentiles, another people the jews hated and did not like and more recently the jew that walked into a mosque in Jerusalem and machine gunned muslim worshippers who had nothing to do with terrorism and don't tell me there are no jewish terrorist organizations that commit crimes in the name of G-d. There are jewish training terrorist camps right here in the USA as well as all over the world and in Israel too. Judaism is no different than muslim terrorism or hinudi terrorism or sikh terrorism etc. You should know that by now. Stop acting so innocent and goody two shoes about Judaism and By the way you still have not answered me nor acknowledged to me that you were wrong and you have not admitted that the Quran is a violent book too.

Reba

Yes, He is. Not everyone acknowledges that fact but that doesn't change His existence. The God of the Jews is the God of Christians.

If Allah is not one of the Trinity, then he is not the Christian God.


The Koran contradicts the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, and doesn't acknowledge Jesus Christ as the Son of God, and LORD and Savior. That's the big one, for starters.


Well, you did write "your religion"--I would say that's personal.


Christians make mistakes and commit horrible sins of their own but there's no need to add other groups' sins on top of that.


I understand that, and I'm not taking it that way.


I'm sure Christians have been guilty of evil doings but it isn't fair to dump the sins of other groups on them in addition to their own sins.


The Roman Catholic Church comprises the majority of the world's Catholics.

Very few born-again Christians are members of the Roman Catholic Church. In order to be a Christian, one must accept salvation thru the grace of God only; if any other requirement (such as baptism or church membership) is added, then one is NOT trusting Jesus as Savior. Any church that requires any works of man for salvation is NOT a Christian church.


I acknowledge that there are some Christians who remain members of the Catholic Church for various reasons (family pressure, ignorance of the doctrines, cultural influence, etc.). Those individuals are my brothers and sisters in Christ, but that doesn't make the doctrines of their church Christian.

Teresh

I never denied that. Jews have, at numerous points in their own canon, committed great crimes against humanity. Take Purim for example. The Jews were delivered from their Persian oppressors, how did they respond to that? By slaughering them en masse.

Um, I won't tell you that because there are such organisations in the world. They're not very big, but then again, neither is the Jewish people as a whole.

Judaism as a religion has its quirks, though it's not any "better" as a religion than Christianity or Islam, yes.

You are wrong, however, in asserting that Judaism is a religion of terrorism (just like you are wrong in asserting that Islam is). There are no "religions of terrorism". There are, in every religion, people who do not understand the beliefs and twist and pervert the meaning of the religion to justify evil. I do not deny that there are Jews that do that just as there are Christians, Muslims, Hindus, etc. that do that.

The God of the Jews is the same as the God of the Muslims. If that is not the same God as is the God of the Christians then you're not worshipping the same God as they are.

Christian scripture contradicts the Sh'ma with the doctrine of the trinity. Maybe it's you who has the wrong idea of God?

Then don't blame Islam for the evil doings of a few nutjobs who aren't really following the tenets of their faith.

The Roman Catholic Church accounts for over a billion of the world's Christians, whereas Orthodox Christianity and Protestantism combined account for, at maximum, 900 million.

hottiedeafboi

Well, catholism does believe much different what christian believes even that very early years, many people doesn't have Bibles and believe only priest and pervert the idea od the confession and ritual ideas. And we don't bow down before the crucifixion cross, bec it is idolarty. Like the cross at the protestant use, we don't bow before that cross. And now, we believe God alone and One and only God. But, what the problem is, they can't get the glimpse of the purpose of Trinity. Now, about Quaran and Bible, Quaran does not have a part of the idea like the Bible. In the old testament as many scholars, the high rate, studied, that old testament and the new testament go hand in hand seeing the point of the Messiah, but Quaran doesn't. Bec old testament mostly as noticed as sacrifices and talking about who will be born in virgin to receive God-Man and slaughtered many babies bec of fear the King is born and etc and no where in the OT matched what Quaran described. Yes, Mohammed is a great teacher and true, he didn't claimed to be god. But many followed his teaching which mislead just like judiasm. Now, understand this, this is what make a lot of since why Jesus is fully God and Son of God and Sacrifical Lamb. The reason is this, doesn't matter how well we live, but not doing, but the position of who we are in which without sacrificial lamb, we are in "death sentence", why? Bec God is Holy, and we aren't. Even Isaiah desctibed in chapter 6. We can't get the idea of His Holiness and how serious that is, the hot coal represent the Blood of Christ for our atonement. Without it, we are doomed. Like I said, by going to church, I do this and I do that and all of that does not mean I'm a christian, it is place my faith in Him. We worship One God and many didn't realize the idea how Trinity works and not mean 3 gods. God gave Himself and left His Glory to be here to become like us. Human try try try and think no way. Remember, doesn't matter how smart we all are, but God is far beyond that human couldn't reach. He is Omniscient God also called Infinite.

Teresh

That's the opinion of *Christian* scholars. Jewish scholars would say that the Tanakh and Christian scripture do not go hand-in-hand. Muslim scholars would say that all three go hand-in-hand. I'm not saying which is right or wrong, but it's foolish to deny that one's religion will not have an impact in how one interprets the text.

Jews aren't being "misled" because they practice a different religion. You seem to forget that Jesus was a Jew, and at that, a Pharisee of the School of Hillel.

That's an incredibly fatalistic and negative view of the world. The Jews never believed that, Christians introduced that doctrine.

hottiedeafboi

You didn't think I knew Jesus was a jews? Of course I knew that. As I see, you focus one part and not get the whole message of the OT and but don't know how much history you know what's been happening the OT. Have to remember what God's purpose to bring us Home and the purpose of the sacrifice. The whole canon in the OT that lead the point of final sacrifice and that sacrifice is also for the future perparation oh His Kingdom and rule. You know, not all jews believe ressurections. And you know some believe live good lives would approve God. Remember Jesus knew them before He met them. Remember when Jesus was born, that's not His beginning life, He came down from Heaven to become man like us. Why? To die to take all our punishment upon Himself. Purpose? To bring us Home. That's just christian belief? No. Many jews believes and that's when all the prophets looking forward and been fulfilled. But, but, His reign is coming soon. Its all described in varies of places in OT. You focus on religion, I focus on the purpose of this life and what God 's plan is. Its good to have knowledge, but that isn't suffiecient.

ismi

Did you bother to read those articles? The first one - the one you quoted - is not a defense of violence, but rather an analysis of arguments made by people on both sides of the controversy. The second one is also a theological analysis. Posting it in the context you did shows incredible intellectual dishonesty.

Teresh

The Torah (and the rest of the Tanakh) is not the entirety of Jewish scripture. There is also the Talmud, the Midrash, the Responsa, the Mishneh Torah, the Shulkhan Arukh and others. Judaism didn't end with the completion of the Tanakh.

That's the Christian interpretation, though it's not sufficiently grounded in traditional Jewish teaching.

That's pretty much the Jewish idea of salvation, yeah.

This is a theological difference, but I don't believe Jesus "came down from Heaven" anymore than any other previously nonexistant person comes from heaven.

No, that is the Christian belief. In Judaism, the Messiah is something entirely different from what Jesus was.

Knowledge isn't sufficient in and of itself, but it's nonetheless important and not to be ignored.