The Book of Revelation

netrox · 04-10-2006, 08:50 PM

I have seen some Christians citing verses from the Book of Revelation. It's apparent that they don't really know the history. The Revelation was rife with many Greek grammatical errors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation

"Lastly, the Gospel is written in nearly flawless Greek, but Revelation contains grammatical errors and stylistic abnormalities which indicate its author may not have been as familiar with the Greek language as the Gospel's author."

Christians try to explain that John did that on purpose. Yeah, right! They say the Bible's perfect with no contradictions or errors but that is absolutely not true. The Bible has plenty of errors.

hottiedeafboi · 04-10-2006, 10:27 PM

No error in it. Today is no different as of old, they argue Jesus, they argue Moses, they argue Noah, and today still going. Revelation is very tough to understanding of all of this. What John saw he couldn't described what that is. Like helicopter, bombs, cars, and etc. Bec he wouldn't know, that's why what he saw is the best he can described. As what is written exactly what daniel, ezekiel,and other prophets has desctibed, no conflicts. And what Jesus said and shared with His disciples about the end times. And what's going on right now is already mentioned what Jesus said.

netrox · 04-10-2006, 10:59 PM

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No error in it. Today is no different as of old, they argue Jesus, they argue Moses, they argue Noah, and today still going. Revelation is very tough to understanding of all of this. What John saw he couldn't described what that is. Like helicopter, bombs, cars, and etc. Bec he wouldn't know, that's why what he saw is the best he can described. As what is written exactly what daniel, ezekiel,and other prophets has desctibed, no conflicts. And what Jesus said and shared with His disciples about the end times. And what's going on right now is already mentioned what Jesus said.

Let that message show you how delusional Christians can be.

Maria · 04-10-2006, 11:03 PM

Jesus is The Way, The Truth and The Life. He is NOT the Author of Confusion.

Revelation is somethin' we don't see yet, because it hasn't arrived. As I see the world is changin', I've seen things are about to change what the Revelation reveals - its unfoldin' slowly. We are gettin' close to it, but it is NOT our time. It's GOD's Time to unfold Himself. We don't know WHEN. Only God Himself knows.

hottiedeafboi · 04-10-2006, 11:42 PM

Exactly right, cyber. Even egyptians studied but seeing their intellectual still downfall and also the greeks. All the study is good in someway, but stealing from God what God has given them been perverted. But Jesus is The Way, The Truth and The Life. God offers all thru the lifetimes, but yet, many still trying to find the other way. As of happen in Noahs time, Moses times, Abrahams time, and today isn't happen yet, but will happen when those who refuse to receive Gods given grace thru Jesus Christ out of His love.

MorriganTait · 04-10-2006, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by netrox

Christians try to explain that John did that on purpose. Yeah, right! They say the Bible's perfect with no contradictions or errors...

Please don't lump ALL Christians in one group. Not EVERY Christian has a "literal" view of the Bible.

Reba · 04-10-2006, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by netrox

Let that message show you how delusional Christians can be.

Can we stay on topic please, and not rudely insult other posters?

netrox · 04-10-2006, 11:58 PM

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Jesus is The Way, The Truth and The Life. He is NOT the Author of Confusion.

No, he isn't. You are sadly mistaken. Confucius is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

Y · 04-10-2006, 11:59 PM

Which is more reliable ?

a) The Wikipedia
b) The Bible

That's your choice

netrox · 04-11-2006, 12:00 AM

No insult intended. Just making a point why Christianity (or any religion) should never be taken literally or it will lead to religious conflicts.

Boult · 04-11-2006, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by netrox

I have seen some Christians citing verses from the Book of Revelation. It's apparent that they don't really know the history. The Revelation was rife with many Greek grammatical errors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation

"Lastly, the Gospel is written in nearly flawless Greek, but Revelation contains grammatical errors and stylistic abnormalities which indicate its author may not have been as familiar with the Greek language as the Gospel's author."

Christians try to explain that John did that on purpose. Yeah, right! They say the Bible's perfect with no contradictions or errors but that is absolutely not true. The Bible has plenty of errors.

don't forget this one: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/rev/1.html

you are right, there are plenty of contradictions and they can be found at this link to show you clearly!

I now knew that the bible is full of holes and not 100% truth.

Rose Immortal · 04-11-2006, 12:06 AM

If I make a true statement in Spanish, but I have an accent when I pronounce it, or I use a grammatical construction that has a non-native sound to it, but my point is still understandable, I don't think that invalidates what I would've said.

Anyway, I still need a LOT of study of Revelation...that's one I haven't gone near yet, so I can't comment any more about this.

Boult · 04-11-2006, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by netrox

No insult intended. Just making a point why Christianity (or any religion) should never be taken literally or it will lead to religious conflicts.

Let me show you one blog entry which you might find some comments interesting;
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/0...evil/#comments

see #11 and 12

Reba · 04-11-2006, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by netrox

No, he isn't. You are sadly mistaken. Confucius is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

Confucius is dead, and Jesus lives. Only Jesus is the Life because only Jesus can offer eternal life. Confucius cannot offer eternal life. The "way" of Confucius is a dead end.

netrox · 04-11-2006, 12:22 AM

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Which is more reliable ?

a) The Wikipedia
b) The Bible

Wikipedia, no doubt about it. The Bible has made many errors and contradictions.

Unlike the Bible that refuses to change when faced with errors, Wikipedia is continously corrected. Wikipedia is much more modern and stays updated while the Bible was written more than 2000 years ago with no significant changes.

netrox · 04-11-2006, 12:24 AM

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Confucius is dead, and Jesus lives.

Really? Where is Jesus?

Boult · 04-11-2006, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by netrox

Really? Where is Jesus?

I thought he died.. according to the bible. (yeah of course it also said ascended... )

Would that be like Stargate SG1 tv show where they do actually ascend! but they are not gods. that's why I find evolution so damming true! when they ascend, they evolve!

but here on earth, oh no! if we ascend, we don't evolve, that's what those bible thumper folks wants to believe.

so if we die, our soul lives... OOOOOkkkkkkAAAAyyyy.. let's say it is evolution!

cuz we went from human to spirits WOW!!!

eh
/snark

Reba · 04-11-2006, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by netrox

Wikipedia, no doubt about it.

Do you mean this "reliable" Wikipedia?

http://alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=417480&postcount=2

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The Bible has made many errors and contradictions.

No, it doesn't.

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Unlike the Bible that refuses to change when faced with errors...

The Bible doesn't have errors, so there is no need to change it. That is the beauty of the Bible; it doesn't change, it is dependable. God's word doesn't change to fit the political correctness of the day. Its truths are eternal.

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Wikipedia is continously corrected. Wikipedia is much more modern and stays updated while the Bible was written more than 2000 years ago with no significant changes.

Wikipedia is totally undependable because everyone and his brother edits it.

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Poster Admits Wikipedia Bio Hoax
Monday, December 12, 2005

NASHVILLE, Tenn. — A man who posted false information on an online encyclopedia linking a prominent journalist to the Kennedy assassinations says he was playing a trick on a co-worker.

Brian Chase, 38, ended up resigning from his job and apologizing to John Seigenthaler Sr., the former publisher of the Tennessean newspaper and founding editorial director of USA Today.

"I knew from the news that Mr. Seigenthaler was looking for who did it, and I did it, so I needed to let him know in particular that it wasn't anyone out to get him, that it was done as a joke that went horribly, horribly wrong," Chase was quoted as saying in Sunday editions of The Tennessean.

Chase said he didn't know the free Internet encyclopedia called Wikipedia was used as a serious reference tool.

The biography he posted, which has since been replaced, falsely stated that Seigenthaler was linked to the Kennedy assassinations and had lived in the Soviet Union from 1971 to 1984.

The entry motivated Seigenthaler to write an op-ed piece for USA Today blasting Wikipedia's credibility. He described himself as a close friend of Robert Kennedy and said he had worked with President Kennedy. He said "the most painful thing was to have them suggest that I was suspected of their assassination."

Seigenthaler said he doesn't plan to pursue legal action against Chase.

He also said he doesn't support more regulations of the Internet, but he said that he fears "Wikipedia is inviting it by its allowing irresponsible vandals to write anything they want about anybody."

Reba · 04-11-2006, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Boult

I thought he died.. according to the bible. (yeah of course it also said ascended... )

Jesus died, resurrected here on earth, then ascended to Heaven where He lives now, until He comes again.

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so if we die, our soul lives... OOOOOkkkkkkAAAAyyyy.. let's say it is evolution!

cuz we went from human to spirits WOW!!!

Every person's soul is eternal; some will be eternally in Heaven, some eternally in hell. In Heaven, we will get our resurrection bodies; we will not be wispy spirits floating about. It is not an evolution of the body because it is not the result of natural gradual change; it is an immediate supernatural transformation.

Boult · 04-11-2006, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Jesus died, resurrected here on earth, then ascended to Heaven where He lives now, until He comes again.

Every person's soul is eternal; some will be eternally in Heaven, some eternally in hell. In Heaven, we will get our resurrection bodies; we will not be wispy spirits floating about. It is not an evolution of the body because it is not the result of natural gradual change; it is an immediate supernatural transformation.

no need to tell me all this.. you already wasted your breath on that. sorry reba!

Reba · 04-11-2006, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Boult

don't forget this one: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/rev/1.html

you are right, there are plenty of contradictions and they can be found at this link to show you clearly!

I now knew that the bible is full of holes and not 100% truth.

No contradictions in that Bible passage. Plenty of misinterpretation and sarcasm in that link though. Not exactly a scholarly study of Revelation.

Boult · 04-11-2006, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

No contradictions in that Bible passage. Plenty of misinterpretation and sarcasm in that link though. Not exactly a scholarly study of Revelation.

info about this site can be found at wikipedia;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ske...nnotated_Bible

I am skeptic and you can't change me. It's still not 100% true. period.

why don't you check out their discussion board at SAB website.

Maria · 04-11-2006, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Boult

no need to tell me all this.. you already wasted your breath on that. sorry reba!

Tell that to Jesus.

Reba · 04-11-2006, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Boult

info about this site can be found at wikipedia;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ske...nnotated_Bible

I hope you don't depend on Wikipedia for your research.

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I am skeptic and you can't change me.

I'm not trying to change you. Only the Holy Spirit can do that, if you are willing. I'm only presenting the Gospel and trying to clear up misconceptions about it. You can accept it or reject it; that's up to you.

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why don't you check out their discussion board at SAB website.

I did look at your link.

Maria · 04-11-2006, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by hottiedeafboi

Exactly right, cyber. Even egyptians studied but seeing their intellectual still downfall and also the greeks. All the study is good in someway, but stealing from God what God has given them been perverted. But Jesus is The Way, The Truth and The Life. God offers all thru the lifetimes, but yet, many still trying to find the other way. As of happen in Noahs time, Moses times, Abrahams time, and today isn't happen yet, but will happen when those who refuse to receive Gods given grace thru Jesus Christ out of His love.

You are correct. It runs all the same from Adam and Eve -- from generations to generations. History itself runs repeatly, because some people are very stubborn who refused to obey God. They prefer to SEE somethin' physically who is their " god " like an idol and such. They don't have a faith just, because we can't see GOD. God tests us people for our faith. Faith is somethin' that we should B E L I E V E -- no matter if, we can't see Him. He is the One who gave us this life by givin' us His Breathe of Life through our mother's womb. We should be grateful for all this. God is our Maker of all Universe and Earth. He is EVERYTHIN' than a man. I admired Him for His Wisdom of all things, because of His Perfection.

Reba · 04-11-2006, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Boult

no need to tell me all this.. you already wasted your breath on that. sorry reba!

How kind of you to be concerned about my air; I assure you I have plenty of breath left, so none of it is "wasted".

There may be no "need" for me to make my post but I believe I'm allowed to do it as long as I follow the rules of courteous posting.

Liebling:-))) · 04-11-2006, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberRed

Tell that to Jesus.

How could we tell this to Jesus because he already is dead at 2,006 years ago.

Maria · 04-11-2006, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

How could we tell this to Jesus because he already is dead at 2,006 years ago.

He rised from the dead and He is still alive. He is NOT deaf.

hottiedeafboi · 04-11-2006, 07:29 AM

Reba, rose, cyber red has the right point of view and its a living. Jesus isn't dead and we don't worship the dead as other religions are doing now and even worship handmade gods. We worship the Living LORD who has defeated power of death (spiritual death, not physical), power of sin (what we were born from adam),hell(which can't touch us or taken us those who received christ Jesus). Now ascended in Heaven with the Father and now the Holy Spirit indwells in the believers and still working for those who are spiritual blind. Many looking for excuse not to really allow God show each one in the Bible, but following mans ideas try to pervert the basic messages. All the insult against christians is been doing all those years and so called religious conflict been like that thousands of years. Pharoah thinks his gods is more power, but defeated, babylon thinks their gods are powerful, but defeated, all kinds of religions been defeated and the life we are in now, hasn't come yet. As TRUE WORD OF GOD says time will come, but God timing is perfect, as noah warns people, they mocked, jeered, drunken, and parties (nothing wrong with parties, but depend how far u are going) and noah warns so long, but people won't received the messages and warnings, so is today, christians responsible to let the Holy Spirit to lead us to share others of Gods love thru Christ Jesus. What the Bible is written got the enough messages to tell us. Before I received Christ, I see the bible is confusions and couldn't get it till after I received christ, I begin to see each step of the way. Correct, we can't change u, only God can, u make a choice God or man's confusion and claiming "proof"

Liza · 04-11-2006, 07:46 AM

Interesting food for thoughts & discussion, netrox.

04-10-2006, 08:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
netrox Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,575	The Book of Revelation I have seen some Christians citing verses from the Book of Revelation. It's apparent that they don't really know the history. The Revelation was rife with many Greek grammatical errors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation "Lastly, the Gospel is written in nearly flawless Greek, but Revelation contains grammatical errors and stylistic abnormalities which indicate its author may not have been as familiar with the Greek language as the Gospel's author." Christians try to explain that John did that on purpose. Yeah, right! They say the Bible's perfect with no contradictions or errors but that is absolutely not true. The Bible has plenty of errors.

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04-10-2006, 10:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
hottiedeafboi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: toledo,ohio Posts: 592	No error in it. Today is no different as of old, they argue Jesus, they argue Moses, they argue Noah, and today still going. Revelation is very tough to understanding of all of this. What John saw he couldn't described what that is. Like helicopter, bombs, cars, and etc. Bec he wouldn't know, that's why what he saw is the best he can described. As what is written exactly what daniel, ezekiel,and other prophets has desctibed, no conflicts. And what Jesus said and shared with His disciples about the end times. And what's going on right now is already mentioned what Jesus said.

04-10-2006, 11:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
Maria Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 10,290	Jesus is The Way, The Truth and The Life. He is NOT the Author of Confusion. Revelation is somethin' we don't see yet, because it hasn't arrived. As I see the world is changin', I've seen things are about to change what the Revelation reveals - its unfoldin' slowly. We are gettin' close to it, but it is NOT our time. It's GOD's Time to unfold Himself. We don't know WHEN. Only God Himself knows.

04-10-2006, 11:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
hottiedeafboi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: toledo,ohio Posts: 592	Exactly right, cyber. Even egyptians studied but seeing their intellectual still downfall and also the greeks. All the study is good in someway, but stealing from God what God has given them been perverted. But Jesus is The Way, The Truth and The Life. God offers all thru the lifetimes, but yet, many still trying to find the other way. As of happen in Noahs time, Moses times, Abrahams time, and today isn't happen yet, but will happen when those who refuse to receive Gods given grace thru Jesus Christ out of His love.

04-10-2006, 11:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
Y Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,113	Which is more reliable ? a) The Wikipedia b) The Bible That's your choice

04-11-2006, 12:00 AM	#10 (permalink)
netrox Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,575	No insult intended. Just making a point why Christianity (or any religion) should never be taken literally or it will lead to religious conflicts.

04-11-2006, 12:06 AM	#12 (permalink)
Rose Immortal Telepathic Spirit Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,254	If I make a true statement in Spanish, but I have an accent when I pronounce it, or I use a grammatical construction that has a non-native sound to it, but my point is still understandable, I don't think that invalidates what I would've said. Anyway, I still need a LOT of study of Revelation...that's one I haven't gone near yet, so I can't comment any more about this.

04-11-2006, 07:29 AM	#29 (permalink)
hottiedeafboi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: toledo,ohio Posts: 592	Reba, rose, cyber red has the right point of view and its a living. Jesus isn't dead and we don't worship the dead as other religions are doing now and even worship handmade gods. We worship the Living LORD who has defeated power of death (spiritual death, not physical), power of sin (what we were born from adam),hell(which can't touch us or taken us those who received christ Jesus). Now ascended in Heaven with the Father and now the Holy Spirit indwells in the believers and still working for those who are spiritual blind. Many looking for excuse not to really allow God show each one in the Bible, but following mans ideas try to pervert the basic messages. All the insult against christians is been doing all those years and so called religious conflict been like that thousands of years. Pharoah thinks his gods is more power, but defeated, babylon thinks their gods are powerful, but defeated, all kinds of religions been defeated and the life we are in now, hasn't come yet. As TRUE WORD OF GOD says time will come, but God timing is perfect, as noah warns people, they mocked, jeered, drunken, and parties (nothing wrong with parties, but depend how far u are going) and noah warns so long, but people won't received the messages and warnings, so is today, christians responsible to let the Holy Spirit to lead us to share others of Gods love thru Christ Jesus. What the Bible is written got the enough messages to tell us. Before I received Christ, I see the bible is confusions and couldn't get it till after I received christ, I begin to see each step of the way. Correct, we can't change u, only God can, u make a choice God or man's confusion and claiming "proof"

04-11-2006, 07:46 AM	#30 (permalink)
Liza Cranial protocologist Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 4,260 Blog Entries: 2	Interesting food for thoughts & discussion, netrox.