pek1

Yes, I have. I've also been in the Christian ministry. Have you studied any of the text, Morrigan Tait?

Deafness

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pek1

Amen, sister Reba!!

Beowulf

He STILL doesn't necessarily say that.
Let me give you an example, say, the ever-trustworthy parable to explain...
One day a preacher was walking down a country road when he notices a farmer sitting in a field, eating cow manure.
The preacher asks, "What are you doing?"
The farmer replies, "Well, I am looking for a way to the Kingdom of Heaven, and I figure if they worship cows somewhere as I've heard, if I eat enough of their manure, I got it made."
The preacher shakes his head and chides, "No, I am the way, the truth, the life blah blah blah..."
The preacher certainly didn't mean that HE PERSONALLY was the way, just his method.
IMO, that is exactly what Jesus meant.

MorriganTait

So, you are fluent in classical Greek?

I never claimed the text was saying one specific thing or another. I personally find taking small portions of Biblical text out of context rarely leads to the whole meaning of an entire passage, or an entire ministry for that matter.

MorriganTait

You may accept this as "truth" yet you have no more evidence of your claim than the claims of any other religion. You believe it - that's YOUR truth. Other people believe other stuff - that's THEIR truth. No one has a more valid claim to "truth" than anyone else when speaking of spiritual matters.

Liebling:-)))

All what I want say here is:

I beleive is we know how to save ourselves and save for our family life. It´s US...

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hottiedeafboi

Beowolf, what other said is right. Jesus is THE Way THE Life THE Truth. There are many spiritualist pointing out of all kinds and many has worshop the dead. But, we worship the Living Lord, which is the only grave is empty. But finding other way than Jesus, be very regrettable. The reason how I know Jesus is real, is my experience. Other religions has experience too, but which they try to fill the void, which not, christians who rely on Him totally, their void been filled. I asked many other religions, and none have what christians have. U may ask why, most been said, they rather keep the tradition with their family. Some are very close to have christ, but decide not to, bec fear losing families. Jesus doesn't force them, neither do I. Baptism is a symbolic of death, burial and resurrection. Not slavation, only salvation is have Jesus Christ in ur life. Yes, Jesus teaching our repsonsibilties of our example, yes, many christians made a mistakes, bec doing their own efforts and other reasonings. Confessing is the christians responsible to do. As it said, practice godliness, that's must be by the help of the holy spirit and many look at problems instead of looking at God above problems. Each believers are on different paths, but all of their path is heading heavenbound. Each believer will be judge by Christ by their way of life on earth, but not losing salvation. Bec once u have christ in ur life, u r forever His, noone take ur slavation away from u. Paul has described it and so is Jesus. Again Jesus is THE Way THE Life and THE Truth. What He said, He meant it.

Beowulf

Whatever floats your boat, hottiedeafboi.

Reba

A preacher is not the way because he is not God.

Jesus is the way because He is God.

Beowulf

John 10:30
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

38 But if I do, though ye believe me not, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him

Now, it sounds awfully like Jesus was taken aback that they were calling HIM something he never claimed to be.
You are not the only one who can read and "interpret," Reba.

Reba

First, let's use all the verses of the text that you are quoting.

John 10
22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter. 23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. 24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and my Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? 37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.


Jesus said, "I and my Father are one" and "the Father is in me, and I in him."

It sounds to me like Jesus had a very clear answer for their question.

Beowulf

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pek1

If you need "proof" Morrigan Tait, would you even accept it? I don't think you would, which is why having faith in Christ requires FAITH. Evolutionists can't even claim that and they're bonkers and unproven.

Rose Immortal

That isn't right to call all of those who accept evolution "bonkers". Some of us are Christians--and for those who are not, what kind of example does it set to call them names? If we do that, then we shouldn't wonder when we get the same kind of treatment in return.

ella

the church my friend invited me too. which i go every once and while ,but i don't agree with beliefs with all do respect. They believed to get to heaven you had to be saved and have a relationship with jesus. I think Jesus knows us all,and hes in everyones heart saved or not. Being saved is not just a prayer its reading the bible and believing in god in your own way. I personally don't think you have to go to church every sunday i like spend time with god in solitude or listen to some christian bands.

pek1

Whoops!! Me bad, shouldn't have said it that way. Thanks for calling me on it, Rose. I should have said that the concept of evolution is bonkers, not the people who believe it. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

pek1

ella,

Hope you don't mind I corrected your spelling and punctuation to make it easier to read and digress. I will answer your statements, with no manipulating by me.

1. That's okay, I don't agree with everything either, especially with respect to the laws that govern driving down the street everyday.

2. That is taught in the Bible, it is not made up. I believe it myself; God said it, that settles it.

3. No, He's not. The Bible states that He knows His own and calls them (individually) by name. He also knows each of our personal quirks.

4. That is correct, being saved is much, much more than that; Bible reading, prayer, regular church attendance, all takes work for us, just like a marriage between a man and a woman is never perfect and is constantly worked at.

5. I agree. We don't, as Christians, have to go to church every Sunday. We do because we choose to and to worship God corporately; being in solitude worshipping is how Jesus did it . . . and they didn't have mp3 players or stereos back then!

Rose Immortal

Thanks...while I still disagree with you, I appreciate that now it's not a personal statement.

doc14845

Does anybody out there believe in the Holy Ghost, speaking in tongue. I'm Deaf, I believe in pentecostle living. baptized in Jesus name, repent my sins..and have evidence of being save thru speaking in tongues...anybody out there experiences same as me? plse contact me..we need to stick together, brother/sister in arms....those who want to learn more, feel free to contact me...the road to salvation is a narrow one, but the door is open for all that seek the truth!! Praise God!

netrox

I don't believe anyone should be "saved" for believing in a religious figure but rather for their good deeds.

If I were God, I wouldn't give a squat if a person doesn't believe me, I am more concerned about his morals than his religion.

deafdyke

ella and netrox, AMEN!!!!! Jesus and God is love. If you know love and practice it, then you know the very essense of both Jesus and God. Sort of like that part in The Last Battle where the Calormen warrior tells Aslan that he wishes that he had served Aslan instead of Tash. Aslan says that by being a basicly good person he HAS been serving and worshipping Aslan instead of Tash.

Rose Immortal

When I read that scene, my jaw dropped. I couldn't believe there wasn't a massive controversy about Lewis!

It was a truly beautiful scene. Although just to be clear, it wasn't all about Emeth being good of his own virtue, but responding to Aslan's call (even if Aslan was a bit disguised). I personally think this is the only way salvation could work without creating an unethical "deliberate entrapment" situation.

XBGMER

Please believe my words come out of me that saying "there is NONE SAVED beside me" PERIOD!

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jazzy

Yes I do believe in the Holy Ghost. As for speaking in tongue, God will provide to whom He choses. He guides, protects and help me when I am in need of His present.

doc14845

the holy ghost is a promise to all, wether if you r Deaf, hearing, black, white....anyonecan recieve it. all Jesus asked is that we repent, then baptized in his name. NOT the trinity....those are His " titles"...when you baptized with name "Jesus" those trinty already included....I'm a Dad, teacher,son, but MY NAME IS Chuck. and when people need me...they call me by name...same with Jesus. As for speaking of tongue, it is evidence of recieving Holy Ghost. when you boil water...steam is evidence of heat....If you r not sure...read Act chapter 2.

hottiedeafboi

My ex wifes sister involved in pentecostal church and she argued with me the same you said, yes, I do believe speaking in tongues during celebration of pentecost, most, I mean most, today who speaking in tongues are not of God, no interpreters and all like Paul said its jst clashing cymbals. Yes, Trinity, how you described same she said, there is none Bec Jesus is as one person, Father, Son and Holy spirit, I was appalled by that belief, I didn't know that how they believes. What is her fruit,, she condemns many people who sins, there will be losing slavations, she has no spiritual fruit and even she totally lied to the court and still claiming she filled with the holy spirit and not only that, James Dobson the book called charismatic chaos, and how he described is exactly how my ex sis in law reacting. And if you are not the member of pentecostal church, u r not going to heaven and I'm appalled by that. Also, Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit is the same. The moment you received Chrit, you are automatic baptized by the Holy Spirit, not later as she believes. In those days, when apostles and other belevers wait for the Spirit comes as Jesus told them, they began speaking in tongues, lot of foreigner were in that city and heard and thought they were drunk, andmany different foreigner said, no they are not drunk, they speak my language and many were saved. I have seen many speaking in tongues today, not one person understand she said. Like Paul said, if you speak in tongues, but no love, its like crashing cymbals and if a person speak in tonger should limit (can't remember how many words limit) and must have one person at a time and must have the interpreter to make sure if its from God, did I see that? No, not one bit. I don't care where or what church you go, those who are in Christ are His people, NOT what church u go. And not al have the GIFTS of tongue, speaking in tongue is not based on Holy Spirit. My ex sis in law grabbed me in the throat to make me believe their teaching, and cutting down about baptist, methodist and other churces and said they aren't christians. I was apalled. You can't jave Christ and Spirit separately. Clearly says, GOD, THE FATHER, GOD THE SON AND GOD THE SPIRIT. Notice when Jesus was baptized, what happen? The voice of heaven which is from the Father and said, this is my beloved Son whom I please. Then the dove came down upon Him which is the Holy Spirit. Like husband and wife are in one flesh. Not, Lewis is the father, son, brother. Its very clear in the scriptures.

Rose Immortal

I think this guy may be a Jehovah's Witness. They have some pretty different beliefs about the nature of God.

hottiedeafboi

Who are you referring to? Not sure which guy you meant. Smile. I try to make sure

hootster

I was actually wondering the same thing.

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Rose Immortal

This "doc" person. I don't believe that Jehovah's Witnesses accept the doctrine of the Trinity.