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Old 02-14-2008, 08:14 AM   #151 (permalink)
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If we found dinosaur fossils, we should also find horse, cow, pig, and other current animal fossils. Since we don't, then that would be because of evolution... with Earth being millions and millions of years old.
Who says that they never find fossils of other creatures? I think you better check that.

Of course, cow fossils aren't as exciting and newsworthy as dinosaur fossils.

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Who says that they never find fossils of other creatures? I think you better check that.

Of course, cow fossils aren't as exciting and newsworthy as dinosaur fossils.

Ideas About Fossil Horses Undergo Evolution In Thinking

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Without scientific, we would never know dinosaur's existence on the earth. Right?
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Without scientific, we would never know dinosaur's existence on the earth. Right?
No. The Bible mentioned them.

I have nothing against science. I celebrate and respect science. But scientists can make mistakes and come to wrong conclusions. If you follow science history you will see that the scientists don't always agree with each other, and that theories continue to change.
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No. The Bible mentioned them.

I have nothing against science. I celebrate and respect science. But scientists can make mistakes and come to wrong conclusions. If you follow science history you will see that the scientists don't always agree with each other, and that theories continue to change.
That's what I said too.
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Without scientific, we would never know dinosaur's existence on the earth. Right?
This is about a discovery some archeologists made in 2000. When they realized the bones of humans, dinosaurs and cows were all in one strata, rather than admit that they all lived at the same time, they came to the conclusion that these humans had discovered an ancient fossile site. See why evolution is a religion? They refuse to accept scientific evidence and take their theory on faith.


"There's something big over here!" shouted Allison. We gathered around her find, a blackened, fossilized skull fragment more than a foot across. After puzzling over the piece briefly, I declared "It's a cow, a fossilized cow skull."

Now what was a fossil cow skull doing in a place like this - an area rich in dinosaur bone more than 100 million years old?


T ime-blackened fossil remains of rhinos, goats, and crocodiles recovered from a floodplain sit on the hood of the Land Rover alongside stone tools and remains of fossilized humans.

More pieces of the puzzle were being picked up by other team members. Dave exclaimed gleefully, "Look, it's human! Part of the skull!" as he held high the curved plate of bone that shields the massive human brain. He never expected to find fossil humans on a dinosaur expedition.


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Okay, let say scientists, called creation scientists, have a different idea about when dinosaurs lived. They believe they can solve any of the supposed dinosaur mysteries and show how the evidence fits wonderfully with their ideas about the past, beliefs that come from the Bible. Although the Bible does not tell us exactly how long ago it was that God made the world and its creatures, we can make a good estimate of the date of creation by reading through the Bible.

Dinosaurs certainly did roam the Earth in the ancient past! Fossils of dinosaurs have been found all over the world, and their bones are displayed in museums for all to see. Scientists have been able to reconstruct many of their skeletons, so we know much about how they may have looked. In fact, if you go into any museum you will see fossils of dinosaurs that are 100% dinosaur, not something in between. There are no 25%, 50%, 75%, or even 99% dinosaurs—they are all 100% dinosaur!

Want to tell me how caveman existed? tsk. I am not question my faith but I do keep open mind. :-)
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No. The Bible mentioned them.
Where? I do not see anything in the Bible since I provided you 3 different links in previous posts. They have list of animals in the bible... Dinosaurs? Where?

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Do you mean the scientists of both creationism and Evolution? OR just scientist of Evolution?
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Okay, let say scientists, called creation scientists, have a different idea about when dinosaurs lived. They believe they can solve any of the supposed dinosaur mysteries and show how the evidence fits wonderfully with their ideas about the past, beliefs that come from the Bible. Although the Bible does not tell us exactly how long ago it was that God made the world and its creatures, we can make a good estimate of the date of creation by reading through the Bible.

Dinosaurs certainly did roam the Earth in the ancient past! Fossils of dinosaurs have been found all over the world, and their bones are displayed in museums for all to see. Scientists have been able to reconstruct many of their skeletons, so we know much about how they may have looked. In fact, if you go into any museum you will see fossils of dinosaurs that are 100% dinosaur, not something in between. There are no 25%, 50%, 75%, or even 99% dinosaurs—they are all 100% dinosaur!

Want to tell me how caveman existed? tsk. I am not question my faith but I do keep open mind. :-)
Yes I second that.

I often went to dinosaurs museum in England when I was young. I showed my hubby & boys there for a first time in 2000. They love it and said that it fanastic them... because they are REALITY and original...., not imagery.

fossils are everywhere in the world... Every scientists in the world agree each other that fossils are million years old, not thousand years old.

Exactly, we need to open our mind to this.
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Dinosaurs certainly did roam the Earth in the ancient past! Fossils of dinosaurs have been found all over the world, and their bones are displayed in museums for all to see. Scientists have been able to reconstruct many of their skeletons, so we know much about how they may have looked. In fact, if you go into any museum you will see fossils of dinosaurs that are 100% dinosaur, not something in between. There are no 25%, 50%, 75%, or even 99% dinosaurs—they are all 100% dinosaur!
Yea, Yea, Yea. Is it possible that the fossils were drowned in the Great Flood during the Noah's Flood? Because they were buried deep down under ground, a flood would do it. millions of years old is a laughing matter. Scientist are so good in fooling people, but sure aren't fooling me.

On Gen 2:56 "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."

And they guessed the color of the dinosaurs because there's no way fossils can tell us what color they were.
How would children feel if they were lied to by evolutionists As you know, children are absolutely fascinated by dinosaurs. Poor kids don't know the truth.
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This is about a discovery some archeologists made in 2000. When they realized the bones of humans, dinosaurs and cows were all in one strata, rather than admit that they all lived at the same time, they came to the conclusion that these humans had discovered an ancient fossile site. See why evolution is a religion? They refuse to accept scientific evidence and take their theory on faith.


"There's something big over here!" shouted Allison. We gathered around her find, a blackened, fossilized skull fragment more than a foot across. After puzzling over the piece briefly, I declared "It's a cow, a fossilized cow skull."

Now what was a fossil cow skull doing in a place like this - an area rich in dinosaur bone more than 100 million years old?


T ime-blackened fossil remains of rhinos, goats, and crocodiles recovered from a floodplain sit on the hood of the Land Rover alongside stone tools and remains of fossilized humans.

More pieces of the puzzle were being picked up by other team members. Dave exclaimed gleefully, "Look, it's human! Part of the skull!" as he held high the curved plate of bone that shields the massive human brain. He never expected to find fossil humans on a dinosaur expedition.


Dinosaur Expedition 2000

I hope this link helps and explain better.

List of human evolution fossils - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Where? I do not see anything in the Bible since I provided you 3 different links in previous posts. They have list of animals in the bible... Dinosaurs? Where?
Read again posts # 99, 119, and 137.



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this overview is not meant to be complete, but does show some of the most important finds. The fossils are arranged by approximate age as determined by radiometric dating and/or incremental dating.

The above is taken from the link you gave. Radiometric dating is NOT accurate and gives different dates for peices on the same animal fossil, and incremental dating is using the layers or strata to determine age. If you ask a scientist how do they determin the layer ages, they will say by radiometric dating. If you ask how they determine the radiometric ages, they will say using the layers. This is called circular reasoning. They have NO proof of the earths age. In addition look further down the list where LUCY is listed. Lucy has already been proven to be a FRAUD. She was peiced together from several different strata layers, miles apart, by a scientist desperate to maintain his funding.

Another "Missing Link" Proven To Be A Fraud
Another "Missing Link" Proven To Be A Fraud
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8. The Great Tasaday Hoax

One of the most startling anthropological discoveries of the 20th century was the discovery of a primitive, cave-dwelling society in the Philippines in 1971. The Tasadays, as they were called, were a find of enormous proportions because they lived a life undisturbed by hundreds of years of society. And to many an academic’s delight, anthropologists could now directly observe how people lived in such societies. The Tasadays even used stone tools.

If you’re thinking it’s impossible that such an isolated group could exist in the Philippines as late as the 1970s, you’re right. It turns out that their "discoverer," PANAMIN (Private Association National Minorities) secretary Manuel Elizalde Jr., paid local farmers to live in the caves, take off their clothes, and appear Stone Age. In return he gave them money and security from counterinsurgency and tribal fighting.

The fact that the Tasaday were a hoax was not confirmed until the fall of Marcos in 1983, invalidating, no doubt, many PhD dissertations that had been written in the interim.
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Reba, after read your post and went back to read your post #99. I can see the discussion between you and Vampy. Oh yes, I remember about cat history. Cat history was first found who can live with humans in Egypt BC. Why should Isreali mentioned cats in the bible when they hate Egyptians?

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1. The word "dinosaur" is modern; it is not a biblical word. There are other creatures in the Bible that were called by other names that could have been dinosaurs.

2. There are lots of animals that are not named in the Bible; that doesn't mean that they didn't exist--it just means that it wasn't necessary to list them all in the Bible. "Cats" aren't in the Bible either but that doesn't mean they didn't exist.

3. The Bible talks about everything that happened that God considered relevant and important to His revelation to us. It would be impossible to put everything that happened to everyone at every minute thru history into one book. God gave us as much as we need to know for our salvation and holy living.
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Well, Egyptian history mentions multiple gods... but Christians say they're wrong. Well, the Bible mentions God... but that could be wrong too.
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15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. 16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. 17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. 18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. 19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
It do not mention in my bible.
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Read again posts # 99, 119, and 137.
I responsed your post #99 and #119 but #137? I do not find your post #137 but fredfam1´s post.

Can you provide me some links to support your claim toward #99 and #119 where "dinsoaur" is one of animal list in the bible where I provided 3 links in previous post.? It says that the list of animals mention in the Bible but it does not describe exact what dinsoaur look like.




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I responsed your post #99 and #119 but #137? I do not find your post #137 but fredfam1´s post.

Can you provide me some links to support your claim toward #99 and #119 where "dinsoaur" is one of animal list in the bible where I provided 3 links in previous post.? It says that the list of animals mention in the Bible but it does not describe exact what dinsoaur look like.






Yes I would agree with you on this if you say both creationism and Evolution scientists...
The book of Job contains an exact description of a dinosaur. See my previous post here. also about cats:

It is not unusual to see animals referred to with names we don't recognize. If you look in any Bible dictionary under animals, you will see lots of animals and their original Hebrew names. For example who would recognize the word "namer" as being the cheetah? Or "akbar" as being the mouse?


A Cheetah is a type of cat.
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Also this description of a dinosaur from the book of JOB

"15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.


16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.


17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.


18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.


19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.


20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.


21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.


22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.


23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.


24 He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares."


This sure sounds like a dinosaur to me. The word dinosaur is a recent invention.
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You don't have an open mind about the bible, You pull up every negative from the bible.
If non-believers are expected to have an open mind and consider the Bible, then believers should be expected to have an open mind and consider Evolution.
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Yep agreed there. It okay to have both if some people are not open to that evolution issue. :-)
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Yep agreed there. It okay to have both if some people are not open to that evolution issue. :-)
I grew up on Evolution. Then I learned about the lies, the frauds and the geological evidence that supports a young earth. This is where most creationists have come from. I grew up in a public school, that taught evolution and the teachers blatantly told us our parents were naive and uneducated if they believed in creation. And this was all over the US. My dad was Navy and by the time I was 13 I had lived in 28 different states and went to 14 different schools. So this was taught within the entire school system. I believed in evolution until I found out that it is only a Religion masquarding as Science.
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I was taught and believed in evolution until I was age 28 years, so I've given it plenty of consideration.
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I grew up on Evolution. Then I learned about the lies, the frauds and the geological evidence that supports a young earth. This is where most creationists have come from. I grew up in a public school, that taught evolution and the teachers blatantly told us our parents were naive and uneducated if they believed in creation. And this was all over the US. My dad was Navy and by the time I was 13 I had lived in 28 different states and went to 14 different schools. So this was taught within the entire school system. I believed in evolution until I found out that it is only a Religion masquarding as Science.
Heh, heh, we had some similar backgrounds, although I didn't move quite as much as you. I did live in several different states, from East to West Coast, and down to Florida. I went to 8 elementary schools, 1 junior high, 4 high schools, and 4 colleges, and they all taught evolution. One of my high school book reports was on Desmond Morris's The Naked Ape, about the evolution of man.
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