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The Heretic

Is that what you believe? All the special pleading in the world can't make that case! There's not one scientific fact in the link, not even one iota of plausiblity. Just a bunch of unsupported assertions.

Dragons are nothing like dinosaurs. Go check chinese representations and other ancient cultures of dragons and compare them to any actual dinosaur fossil. You'll be shocked to see such irreconcilable differences.

Morale? Don't believe everything you read. Use your eyes, and look.

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The Heretic

My word! I didn't know you were a comedienne!

Since not being able to name the mystery scientist or answer any of my questions, and argue by website, i think Leibling doesn't have much of a case, other than a desire to believe the inerrancy of the bible.

It is quite funny how the mind contorts itself to protect certain beliefs, and theists are always the best candidates!

All in all, since Mark Twain is correct that sacred cows make the best hamburgers, at least scientists recycle theirs.

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Liebling:-)))

It´s nothing do with beleive but want to know the truth what the bible says about Dragons, Reptiles and Tannin.

All what I was taught to beleive that dinosaurs/cavemen were existed many thousands to million years BEFORE Adam´s creation.

I was like wow after read the posts at Miss *P´s thread because I´m INTERESTING to know anything and also truth, too. It´s nothing do with "beleive". I searched to find out what those words mean. Is it forbideen to find out the truth. ?

One point, I´m wondering why the bible write "Dragon". It sound that they are talking about dinosaur BECAUSE fossil remains was found between 1700 and 1900.

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I think someone is getting really confused with the Bible and the story of Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were not simply two people. Adam and Eve are plural - God created men and women. Adam and Eve were the "cavemen" you are thinking of.

Actually, Genesis says God created woman twice. Genesis 1:27 says "God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them." It says he created THEM and that they were MALE and FEMALE. Genesis 2:21-23 has God creating woman again! "So the LORD God cast a deep sleep on the man, and while he was asleep, he took out one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. The LORD God then built up into a woman the rib that he had taken from the man. When he brought her to the man, the man said: "This one, at last, is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; This one shall be called 'woman,' for out of 'her man' this one has been taken."

The story of Adam and Eve was never to be taken literally. The story of Adam and Eve helps explains our relationship with God. St Augustine said that the stories of the Old Testament are hidden prophesies of the New Testament.

Reba

No, God did not create Eve twice. Those verses use a literary device of introducing the topic first in a general way, and then going back to give the details. One event, two descriptions.

Did God say that?

The prophesies of the OT are fulfilled in the NT. The Creation was not a prophesy of future events. It is the history of what God has already done.

Daft

The Creation story was THE first prophesy of salvation!

VamPyroX

If they were hundred million years apart, what's up with "6 days"?

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VamPyroX

Let's suppose the Bible was really written based on men's experience...

Dinosaurs did roam the Earth for millions of years. Suddenly, a meteorite hits Earth and wipes out most of the dinosaurs. Millions of years later, land has shifted to new places. Apes have evolved to humans. Through generations, some people began to make up stories. The more stories are made up, the more believable they become. After that, those stories eventually are written in books... the Bible. We have over millions and millions of species of animals all over the Earth. Could two of everything really fit on Noah's Ark? Some might say that there were fewer, but as the years went by... they evolved to more species. Doesn't that contradict with the evolution theory? We either have no evolution or have evolution. If we have evolution, then it is possible that man evolved from apes. Maybe, the ark was really built... but Noah made up an excuse for it and only brought whatever animal he could find. Maybe, he built it near the ocean and knew when the tide was coming in. By then, he got lucky and floated in sea. Of course, 40 days does sound like the right amount of time for any sail-less and motor-less boat to drift through any ocean. Know Howard Hughes? He built a plane big enough to carry tanks. It was a wild dream he had that became reality. Perhaps, he was like Noah.

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Where did the dinosaurs come from?

Reba

Not the six days of Creation, but God's provision after the fall of Adam and Eve. God then killed an animal for its skins and for a picture of redemption by blood. God also promised to send the future Savior. But that was after the six days, not during.

Liebling:-)))

That's exactly what my hubby and Germans beleive.

They beleive that we come from apes time, not Eve and Adam.

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I told my hubby that I can't image that the apes turn into human.

All what I know is cavemen was around during dinosaurs time. They all are unearth together then thousands to million years later then Adam and Eve........

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Dinosaurs died out by the time man appeared on Earth.

Audiofuzzy

But how dependable The Bible really is? After all, there is all sorts of religious equivalents of Christian Bible that people are ready to die for.
How can we say Bible says it all, while somebody else insist no the Quran does??
and what about older Jewish holy books? what does they say about dinosaurs?? etc.

I think the most important thing to consider here is the fact of time (as somebody tried to do that). Do you know that the higher in the air you are, the time changes?

see if you can understand the concept of time using the picture (play with it)

http://www.phy.ntnu.edu.tw/ntnujava/viewtopic.php?t=70

It's pretty clear we are clueless what we see, ain't we?

so, TIME, this is the very first step that proves looking for scientific fact in Bible is, to say the least, dubious. Since we don't really know what TIME means. Or exactly what it is????

because Bible is like a huge Methaphor, looking for truths in metaphors is not only difficult but allows for a whole sort of interpretations.
What we do with the Bible- all we do is interpret it.

And you know how it is- as many minds, so many ideas.
But where is an absolute, total, undisputable, crystal clear fact- all minds think the same. Take 2+2....

Another thing to consider is - Bible is not a precise relay of God's word. Bible is complied of things that were told by PEOPLE. who as we all know have a knack for dressing up a thing here and there. This alone make me suspicious about how accurate the Bible is pertaining to God's true words.

yet another thing to consider about Bible is that it while it may seem to be very simple compilation of stories and God's messages, actually about the meaning of what is written there quite a sophisticated philosophers are still pondering about.

Who are we, simple folks, to interpret such a mysterious document?

Fuzzy

ps- who's heard of the Bible Code- the real one by :
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...43069?v=glance

Askjo

Dinosaurs were there when Job was here on the earth in his lifetime.

Audiofuzzy

Out of curiosity I went to just but one site to see how many animals are mentioned in the Bible.
http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/animals.html

so, does that mean the rest which is NOT mentioned is our imagination because they are not in the Bible?

Fuzzy

Liebling:-)))

Well, It's Christian author who wrote those bible. This is his/her belief to use scriptures to create his/her image.

It's hard to beleive that dinosaurs & humans were on earth at the same time. Dinosaurs would ate humans up and destory their homes with their foot... impossible...



It didnt say how big they are... just big animal or monster animal... which it could be mean is elephant, griffith lions, hippo, gorilla, ??? "monster" could be crocs., sharks, whale etc???



During dinosaurs time, there're no homes but caves...

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http://print.google.de/print?hl=de&i...tJcl6bTXZSW9YI

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/2.asp

http://teacher.scholastic.com/resear...nos/evolut.htm


Dinosaurs are too big to fit Noah Ark's boat...??? I can't image dinosaurs mixed with normal animals... Oh dear! They would stomp animal with their large foot to kill humans and animals.

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Liebling:-)))

What's the reason the God create dinosaurs to share with humans because they are too big for humans/animal? What's special about them? Why large?


I was taught to know about dinosaurs... God create dinosaurs and cavemen and don't like it and let earth to drown them to death... then create better one is human Adam.........

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"Well, It's Christian author who wrote those bible."

HUH???? Moses, the person who wrote Genesis was a Christian???


Dinosaurs died out long before Adam and Eve. Book of Job has no mention of any dinosaurs; however, it does mention Behomoth which is another word for hippo.

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Moses was a Jew. In fact, all of the writers of Scripture were Jews. New Testament writers were followers of Christ and still retained their identity as Jewish.

Liebling:-)))

Yes but I think you didn't get what I try to explain in my early post.

Check this link who author Paul S. Taylor really is. He himself is a Christian who translate Jew scriptures and also create his image/opinion what the word of scriptures mean is.




http://www.ghg.net/clbc/links.htm

We have authors of different beliefs who wrote different images/opinion to translate on real scriptures.

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These people are NOT authors of Scripture. These are simply people with various opinions on what the real authors of Scripture have to say.

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