Too Many VP Numbers!

web730 · 05-21-2009, 12:45 AM

I'm sure that many deaf VRS customers already have too many ten digital numbers, not one # given by VR services... I do, too!

It's confusing but it's rather for temporary till after on June 30th unless it might be delayed, pray not!

Remember back then that they announced that you only need one digital numbers for all relay services yet it ain't so as of yet.

VRS customers must choose one default ten numbers from whichever VRS one prefers to use from that point and on. That means they must not use other 10 numbers given other than the default numbers. Wonder as if all relay services shall comply wit the FCC policy on that, I hope so for the sake.

I wonder what if one (including me) uses a switch and two videophones with two public IP addresses so can one uses both 10 digital numbers since one has two IP addresses... that's what I asked myself about that. I think so but am not so sure... so what do you think?

By the way I found it awkward when my wife ad I bought a new car few weeks ago and they asked for a phone number which we hardly memorize our too-many 10 numbers so I had to check mine on my pager address book. I told the dealer that we have too many phone numbers so he was kind of perplexed... u know, he must have wondering how the heck the deaf has too many phone numbers?!

It has happened the same with my friends and others who said the same thing whenever they approached the "same situation". So crazy!

So the VRS customers like you and I cannot wait to get over with it once the deadline date arrives!

PowerON · 05-21-2009, 09:53 AM

only if someone, a deaf who is insane to pick up more number.

I just got only one 10-digit local-number on my VP and mobile phone, that's it.

LakeTahoe · 05-21-2009, 10:11 AM

I have VP200 number BUT I haven't get the i711 or IP relay number or Siprelay yet. Too many and that confuse me. I rather wait later when I get Blackberry, then I will get probably more toward to Siprelay.

diehardbiker · 05-21-2009, 11:07 AM

Just go to mySorenson.com and register, for blackberry user that uses SIPrelay blackberry select Blackberry as endpoint, for those who just use AIM even on blackberry use AIM as end point, then wait 5 days before getting 10 digit local number, can request DirectVP number too on SIPrelay.

Those who have not register and get 10 digit number after June 30th will not be able to use SIPrelay or any IP based relay service. Its FCC regulation.

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Originally Posted by LakeTahoe

I have VP200 number BUT I haven't get the i711 or IP relay number or Siprelay yet. Too many and that confuse me. I rather wait later when I get Blackberry, then I will get probably more toward to Siprelay.

rockin'robin · 05-21-2009, 11:12 AM

Oh Lord. I can't remmy all those numbers, and I like keeping my home phone number. With 3 kids, I can only absorb so much new technology, and at my age it isn't easy. Oh well, I remmy my social, my drivers license #, home phone & addy, my boys teachers & my 2 email addys......And of course, my passwords at the bank, web sites, etc. .....Damn, isn't that enuf?...What more can they want?...At the rate technology is going, the last thing for me to memorize will be my state hospital inmate # for the loonies on buggs bunny avenue.....Give me a break, pls.?

LakeTahoe · 05-21-2009, 11:13 AM

Ahhh gee...Ok I guess I'll go ahead...*sigh*

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker

Just go to mySorenson.com and register, for blackberry user that uses SIPrelay blackberry select Blackberry as endpoint, for those who just use AIM even on blackberry use AIM as end point, then wait 5 days before getting 10 digit local number, can request DirectVP number too on SIPrelay.

Those who have not register and get 10 digit number after June 30th will not be able to use SIPrelay or any IP based relay service. Its FCC regulation.

diehardbiker · 05-21-2009, 11:27 AM

LOL, completely understood. The problem is that the machine does not understand anything. They only take instruction and follow it precisely, no buts, no flexible no ands no nothing.

It applies to cell phone in hearing world. If a family has 5 cell phone, there will be 5 phone numbers for all 5 cell phones, one for each.

You can always use this way

Home: your SVP number
Secondary: Your SIPrelay #

that way if hearing person calls you using your SVP and no answer, then can call secondary and you MIGHT be on the road and your Sidekick will get you so get connected. Like I said Machine do not understand anything, meaning machine will NOT know where to reach you until one use right number to reach you.

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Originally Posted by rockin'robin

Oh Lord. I can't remmy all those numbers, and I like keeping my home phone number. With 3 kids, I can only absorb so much new technology, and at my age it isn't easy. Oh well, I remmy my social, my drivers license #, home phone & addy, my boys teachers & my 2 email addys......And of course, my passwords at the bank, web sites, etc. .....Damn, isn't that enuf?...What more can they want?...At the rate technology is going, the last thing for me to memorize will be my state hospital inmate # for the loonies on buggs bunny avenue.....Give me a break, pls.?

justlook · 05-21-2009, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker

Just go to mySorenson.com and register, for blackberry user that uses SIPrelay blackberry select Blackberry as endpoint, for those who just use AIM even on blackberry use AIM as end point, then wait 5 days before getting 10 digit local number, can request DirectVP number too on SIPrelay.

Those who have not register and get 10 digit number after June 30th will not be able to use SIPrelay or any IP based relay service. Its FCC regulation.

you mean siprelay as local number can use on svp to call deaf to deaf? not just bb,sidekick or relay?

diehardbiker · 05-21-2009, 01:23 PM

They are different kind of machines, you can't mix it together. Has to be same kind of machine in both ends.

Its like trying to call to FAX machine from TTY, this won't work. Also like trying to call from TTY to VP, this won't work either, same with Voice to fax won't work, Voice to TTY directly without relay won't work.

What I mean is like call this number, no answer then try another number.

FCC regulation prohibits from using more than one relay service for each call at any time. In other word, FCC does not allow Siprelay to SVRS to customer.

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Originally Posted by justlook

you mean siprelay as local number can use on svp to call deaf to deaf? not just bb,sidekick or relay?

Nathan · 05-21-2009, 02:24 PM

Sorenson is dirty, they say if I do not register their 10 digit number, then I would not able to use their service and they will shut down my VP-200 though MAC address. So I register anyway.

I have Purple number and i711 Relay number is good enough for me. Like FCC say, we can use one 10 digit number for all Relay service. In order for that to work...they will need to port the number.

Oceanblue7 · 05-21-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Sorenson is dirty, they say if I do not register their 10 digit number, then I would not able to use their service and they will shut down my VP-200 though MAC address. So I register anyway.

I have Purple number and i711 Relay number is good enough for me. Like FCC say, we can use one 10 digit number for all Relay service. In order for that to work...they will need to port the number.

The more VP pimping for you

PowerON · 05-21-2009, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

Sorenson is dirty, they say if I do not register their 10 digit number, then I would not able to use their service and they will shut down my VP-200 though MAC address. So I register anyway.

I have Purple number and i711 Relay number is good enough for me. Like FCC say, we can use one 10 digit number for all Relay service. In order for that to work...they will need to port the number.

If you really satisfactory with Purple VRS, then keep it and ignore Sorenson while you're totally into MVP yada yada

Chevy57 · 05-21-2009, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

Sorenson is dirty, they say if I do not register their 10 digit number, then I would not able to use their service and they will shut down my VP-200 though MAC address. So I register anyway.

I have Purple number and i711 Relay number is good enough for me. Like FCC say, we can use one 10 digit number for all Relay service. In order for that to work...they will need to port the number.

You will throw your Sorenson VP200 in your trash after June 30.

qwerty123 · 05-22-2009, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Chevy57

You will throw your Sorenson VP200 in your trash after June 30.

why wait until june 30? throw away now

PowerON · 05-22-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by qwerty123

why wait until june 30? throw away now

Do you understand about new policy on videophone and FCC after June 30th?

qwerty123 · 05-22-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

Do you understand about new policy on videophone and FCC after June 30th?

no vrs nonemergency call wihtout 10 digital nubmer http://www.fcc.gov/realaudio/new-num...-number-07.ram

RedWolf · 05-22-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by qwerty123

no vrs nonemergency call wihtout 10 digital nubmer http://www.fcc.gov/realaudio/new-num...-number-07.ram

uhhh....who would want to download the .ram file? I don't need .ram file.

PowerON · 05-22-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RedWolf

uhhh....who would want to download the .ram file? I don't need .ram file.

how odd the file show look like...

Code:

rtsp://hauk.fcc.gov:554/fcc/new-numbering/new-numbering-07.rm
--stop--
pnm://hauk.fcc.gov:554/fcc/new-numbering/new-numbering-07.rm

Nathan · 05-22-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

how odd the file show look like...

Code:

rtsp://hauk.fcc.gov:554/fcc/new-numbering/new-numbering-07.rm
--stop--
pnm://hauk.fcc.gov:554/fcc/new-numbering/new-numbering-07.rm

Virus? We have a scammer on the losse, somebody call Jiro.

qwerty123 · 05-22-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RedWolf

uhhh....who would want to download the .ram file? I don't need .ram file.

realtime player need

New Numbering and E911 Requirements for VRS and IP Relay

qwerty123 · 05-22-2009, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

Virus? We have a scammer on the losse, somebody call Jiro.

you panic!

RedWolf · 05-22-2009, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwerty123

realtime player need

New Numbering and E911 Requirements for VRS and IP Relay

I don't need realtime player. I still don't need .ram file. I am fine with Winamp. Thank you anyway.

PowerON · 05-22-2009, 05:59 PM

realtime players? ugh

interpreter · 05-24-2009, 04:25 PM

So why not just expect the interpreter to say your number like most do anyway....that way you don't have to be responsible and remember what it is!

radioman · 05-26-2009, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockin'robin

At the rate technology is going, the last thing for me to memorize will be my state hospital inmate # for the loonies on buggs bunny avenue.....Give me a break, pls.?

I nearly spit my coffee all over my keyboard laughing. What you just said is so true for me too !!!! you and I are in the same boat!

radioman · 05-26-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by interpreter

So why not just expect the interpreter to say your number like most do anyway....that way you don't have to be responsible and remember what it is!

My tv with vp200 has sticker printed with toll number stuck on the tv and purple number printed on sticker stuck on the MVP. makes it easier to blah the number to the hearing or deaf party to call me back instead of remembering the number.

Don't you all feel like guniea pigs with all the new features, vp numbers, different ways of makng relay calls? Once the dust settles down from the whirlwind of new ideas and techonlogy, don't you think the VRS compnaies is gonna start charging us for ALLLL of these services ? Nearly every feature or service I have seen that is free of some sort always either start charging a fee or heavly changes the way its free. If it still free, it comes with a AD and more marketing crap.

look at oovoo. look at aim. is VRS next ? Oh crap- I just shuddered thinking about it. Time will tell.

iHuman · 05-26-2009, 06:09 PM

I'm still trying to figure out if there is an option. Technically, it seems like it should be possible to have two or three videophones and ONE phone number for all. VP work on the same technology as VOIP - it goes through the internet.

With internet, each device you have (video phone(s), computer, etc) are assigned a unique IP address. So far so good.

Then the relay service uses a system like DNS or ENUM to connect your IP address to a phone number. It is the same way a web domain works. (ie Deaf Chat | People Deaf Culture - AllDeaf.com is connected to an IP address).

With web addresses, you can make what is called a CNAME record, which lets IP connect to two addresses. For example...
IP 123.123.123.123 is connected to www.mydomain.com
then you add a CNAME record to link the same IP address to www.myOTHERdomain.com

So why can't that happen with video phones?
ie...
Sorenson videophone connect to IP Address 123.123.123.123
Ojo video phone with CNAME record connects to same IP address.

Hope someone figures it out... I'm going to keep trying

radioman · 05-26-2009, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iHuman

I'm still trying to figure out if there is an option. Technically, it seems like it should be possible to have two or three videophones and ONE phone number for all. VP work on the same technology as VOIP - it goes through the internet.

With internet, each device you have (video phone(s), computer, etc) are assigned a unique IP address. So far so good.

Then the relay service uses a system like DNS or ENUM to connect your IP address to a phone number. It is the same way a web domain works. (ie Deaf Chat | People Deaf Culture - AllDeaf.com is connected to an IP address).

With web addresses, you can make what is called a CNAME record, which lets IP connect to two addresses. For example...
IP 123.123.123.123 is connected to www.mydomain.com
then you add a CNAME record to link the same IP address to www.myOTHERdomain.com

So why can't that happen with video phones?
ie...
Sorenson videophone connect to IP Address 123.123.123.123
Ojo video phone with CNAME record connects to same IP address.

Hope someone figures it out... I'm going to keep trying

LOL ! currently for people with multiple vps in same house with same ISP IP address can only receive calls to ONE vp and can call out from any vp. later this summer this will change. WHY you ask? because there is a need to be able to receive calls and answer from any vp in same house just like a hearing person can but unforunately this summer it will only mean be able to receive calls to a specific vp number only due to FCC ruling. again, why you ask? because the people who have roomates made the loudest noise about not being able to receive thier OWN calls to thier OWN vp and keep calls confidential and don't want to pay extra for another ip address.

diehardbiker · 05-26-2009, 11:45 PM

Not going to happen, only in a dream.

VP itself happen to use same technology as cell phone uses. Believe it or not, Cell phones uses IP addresses... Surprise? not to me... Now, ask yourself, can one telephone number work with two or more cell phones? Good luck trying to find one that can do more than 1 cell phone!

Telephone, on other hand uses completely different technology, and is really much of analog and direct connect, no telephone handset cares who it comes from, if there is incoming call, regular telephone set can not discriminate whether it is for them or not.

Cell phone, Videophone, even VoIP router,computer etc, you name it, listens to the broadcast whether there is packet waiting for them, if they hears what they were suppose to get, they will say, here is for me! Send that packet to me, and IF other equipment has same IP address... b oth will say its for me! Please send to me, the other end would say.. WHAT? No way, ok Im throwing away that packet. so neither gets the packet. Regular landline telephone do not do this way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by iHuman

I'm still trying to figure out if there is an option. Technically, it seems like it should be possible to have two or three videophones and ONE phone number for all. VP work on the same technology as VOIP - it goes through the internet.

With internet, each device you have (video phone(s), computer, etc) are assigned a unique IP address. So far so good.

Then the relay service uses a system like DNS or ENUM to connect your IP address to a phone number. It is the same way a web domain works. (ie Deaf Chat | People Deaf Culture - AllDeaf.com is connected to an IP address).

With web addresses, you can make what is called a CNAME record, which lets IP connect to two addresses. For example...
IP 123.123.123.123 is connected to www.mydomain.com
then you add a CNAME record to link the same IP address to www.myOTHERdomain.com

So why can't that happen with video phones?
ie...
Sorenson videophone connect to IP Address 123.123.123.123
Ojo video phone with CNAME record connects to same IP address.

Hope someone figures it out... I'm going to keep trying

Dennis · 05-28-2009, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diehardbiker

Not going to happen, only in a dream.

VP itself happen to use same technology as cell phone uses. Believe it or not, Cell phones uses IP addresses... Surprise? not to me... Now, ask yourself, can one telephone number work with two or more cell phones? Good luck trying to find one that can do more than 1 cell phone!

Telephone, on other hand uses completely different technology, and is really much of analog and direct connect, no telephone handset cares who it comes from, if there is incoming call, regular telephone set can not discriminate whether it is for them or not.

Cell phone, Videophone, even VoIP router,computer etc, you name it, listens to the broadcast whether there is packet waiting for them, if they hears what they were suppose to get, they will say, here is for me! Send that packet to me, and IF other equipment has same IP address... b oth will say its for me! Please send to me, the other end would say.. WHAT? No way, ok Im throwing away that packet. so neither gets the packet. Regular landline telephone do not do this way.

It's not impossible. It's just not currently implemented in any way with today's relay architecture. But it's absolutely possible with SIP to have multiple devices ringing and then when one is picked up, the other devices are no longer ringing.

05-21-2009, 12:45 AM	#1 (permalink)
web730 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 2,163	Too Many VP Numbers! I'm sure that many deaf VRS customers already have too many ten digital numbers, not one # given by VR services... I do, too! It's confusing but it's rather for temporary till after on June 30th unless it might be delayed, pray not! Remember back then that they announced that you only need one digital numbers for all relay services yet it ain't so as of yet. VRS customers must choose one default ten numbers from whichever VRS one prefers to use from that point and on. That means they must not use other 10 numbers given other than the default numbers. Wonder as if all relay services shall comply wit the FCC policy on that, I hope so for the sake. I wonder what if one (including me) uses a switch and two videophones with two public IP addresses so can one uses both 10 digital numbers since one has two IP addresses... that's what I asked myself about that. I think so but am not so sure... so what do you think? By the way I found it awkward when my wife ad I bought a new car few weeks ago and they asked for a phone number which we hardly memorize our too-many 10 numbers so I had to check mine on my pager address book. I told the dealer that we have too many phone numbers so he was kind of perplexed... u know, he must have wondering how the heck the deaf has too many phone numbers?! It has happened the same with my friends and others who said the same thing whenever they approached the "same situation". So crazy! So the VRS customers like you and I cannot wait to get over with it once the deadline date arrives! __________________

05-21-2009, 09:53 AM	#2 (permalink)
PowerON Click me 12 time Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Suddenly, I'm cowboy. Posts: 6,863 Blog Entries: 4	only if someone, a deaf who is insane to pick up more number. I just got only one 10-digit local-number on my VP and mobile phone, that's it. __________________ • [Illustrator.Blog-alloon.com] • Don't shoot me! I'm only blogger!

05-21-2009, 10:11 AM	#3 (permalink)
LakeTahoe ~~JUST ME!!~~ Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Lost somewhere on the Earth! Posts: 13,537	I have VP200 number BUT I haven't get the i711 or IP relay number or Siprelay yet. Too many and that confuse me. I rather wait later when I get Blackberry, then I will get probably more toward to Siprelay. __________________

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Nathan Perfect Prosecutor Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lost in Paradise Posts: 2,827 Blog Entries: 6	Sorenson is dirty, they say if I do not register their 10 digit number, then I would not able to use their service and they will shut down my VP-200 though MAC address. So I register anyway. I have Purple number and i711 Relay number is good enough for me. Like FCC say, we can use one 10 digit number for all Relay service. In order for that to work...they will need to port the number. __________________ Nathan's Blog "Good things come to those who wait"

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05-21-2009, 11:12 AM	#5 (permalink)
rockin'robin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 2,782	Oh Lord. I can't remmy all those numbers, and I like keeping my home phone number. With 3 kids, I can only absorb so much new technology, and at my age it isn't easy. Oh well, I remmy my social, my drivers license #, home phone & addy, my boys teachers & my 2 email addys......And of course, my passwords at the bank, web sites, etc. .....Damn, isn't that enuf?...What more can they want?...At the rate technology is going, the last thing for me to memorize will be my state hospital inmate # for the loonies on buggs bunny avenue.....Give me a break, pls.?

05-24-2009, 04:25 PM	#24 (permalink)
interpreter CI & CT Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 33	So why not just expect the interpreter to say your number like most do anyway....that way you don't have to be responsible and remember what it is!

05-26-2009, 06:09 PM	#27 (permalink)
iHuman Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1	I'm still trying to figure out if there is an option. Technically, it seems like it should be possible to have two or three videophones and ONE phone number for all. VP work on the same technology as VOIP - it goes through the internet. With internet, each device you have (video phone(s), computer, etc) are assigned a unique IP address. So far so good. Then the relay service uses a system like DNS or ENUM to connect your IP address to a phone number. It is the same way a web domain works. (ie Deaf Chat \| People Deaf Culture - AllDeaf.com is connected to an IP address). With web addresses, you can make what is called a CNAME record, which lets IP connect to two addresses. For example... IP 123.123.123.123 is connected to www.mydomain.com then you add a CNAME record to link the same IP address to www.myOTHERdomain.com So why can't that happen with video phones? ie... Sorenson videophone connect to IP Address 123.123.123.123 Ojo video phone with CNAME record connects to same IP address. Hope someone figures it out... I'm going to keep trying

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