FCC and 10 digits is a milestone but not 100% freedom

Deaf Mortgage · 07-08-2008, 05:40 PM

I applaud to FCC and 10 digit ruling.

HOWEVER, the law is written as one 10 digit number to a device. Means you only can have one device per 10 digit. This give us 90% freedom but not 100% freedom.

PROBLEM, hearing house hold has several phone in the house and can answer from Kitchen, or living room or bedroom. We cannot do this way if the ruling is set as one 10 digit per device. Mean my kitchen VP will be different number than living room.

I rather to see the FCC to modify the ruling. Have 10 digit to be tied to one HUB videophone where it can ring all videophone and can be answered anywhere in the house.

I know deaf seniors will love this because they cannot get out of bed and walk to videophone in living room to answer. Not fast enough. So if videophone is in bedroom and same number as living room, it will be easier for them to walk to nearest videophone than running across the house or home or condo to get to the videophone they want to answer. If they fell down in bedroom, they can dial 911 from bedroom, not have to crawl to living room to dial 911.

Another good reason for tying to one Hub videophone is for families. Supposed mother is in kitchen and father is away from home. Mother watching the kids playing outside. Phone rings, mother cannot answer the phone in living room because she will be out of sight of the kid. So she has to ignore the important calls just to watch the kid. If the kid come in, then mother can follow up with the miss call. Yet safety is another issue.

We need to reconsider what FCC and 10 digit ruling to one videophone device. We need freedom!

If you know the link to FCC, please clarify how to send open complaint to FCC about the ruling to 1 videophone tied to one 10 digits. We need like 8 videophone to one 10 digit. Easier that way and give family and seniors freedom of where their videophone in the house. Not limit to one room or one videophone.

We need the freedom!

Secretblend · 07-08-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Deaf Mortgage

I applaud to FCC and 10 digit ruling.

HOWEVER, the law is written as one 10 digit number to a device. Means you only can have one device per 10 digit. This give us 90% freedom but not 100% freedom.

PROBLEM, hearing house hold has several phone in the house and can answer from Kitchen, or living room or bedroom. We cannot do this way if the ruling is set as one 10 digit per device. Mean my kitchen VP will be different number than living room.

I rather to see the FCC to modify the ruling. Have 10 digit to be tied to one HUB videophone where it can ring all videophone and can be answered anywhere in the house.

I know deaf seniors will love this because they cannot get out of bed and walk to videophone in living room to answer. Not fast enough. So if videophone is in bedroom and same number as living room, it will be easier for them to walk to nearest videophone than running across the house or home or condo to get to the videophone they want to answer. If they fell down in bedroom, they can dial 911 from bedroom, not have to crawl to living room to dial 911.

Another good reason for tying to one Hub videophone is for families. Supposed mother is in kitchen and father is away from home. Mother watching the kids playing outside. Phone rings, mother cannot answer the phone in living room because she will be out of sight of the kid. So she has to ignore the important calls just to watch the kid. If the kid come in, then mother can follow up with the miss call. Yet safety is another issue.

We need to reconsider what FCC and 10 digit ruling to one videophone device. We need freedom!

If you know the link to FCC, please clarify how to send open complaint to FCC about the ruling to 1 videophone tied to one 10 digits. We need like 8 videophone to one 10 digit. Easier that way and give family and seniors freedom of where their videophone in the house. Not limit to one room or one videophone.

We need the freedom!

To me that should be an easy fix. Just set up a network around the house similar to how the telephone works. They will just need to modify the vp software so that it all can work off of one number. Shouldn't be that hard.

Deaf Mortgage · 07-08-2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Secretblend

To me that should be an easy fix. Just set up a network around the house similar to how the telephone works. They will just need to modify the vp software so that it all can work off of one number. Shouldn't be that hard.

The law of FCC ruling is not written that way. So we need to speak up and get 100% freedom.

I know this is easy fix to do but law is what determine how VRS function and how they operate their videophone. We need to speak up on that matter.

Secretblend · 07-08-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Deaf Mortgage

The law of FCC ruling is not written that way. So we need to speak up and get 100% freedom.

I know this is easy fix to do but law is what determine how VRS function and how they operate their videophone. We need to speak up on that matter.

Well, at least they made a step in right direction.

Deaf Mortgage · 07-08-2008, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Secretblend

Well, at least they made a step in right direction.

You right. I applaud to their stepping into right direction but save years of waiting to get 100% freedom. Better now than 5 years later.

inochi · 07-08-2008, 06:31 PM

Better than 5 years ago...

JClarke · 07-08-2008, 10:28 PM

Yet, I am still impressed. Like what secretblend said - there is a network setting that can modify the videophone, what if they are ALL plugged into ONE router, hmm? I believe ALL of them would go off, eh.

web730 · 07-09-2008, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deaf Mortgage

The law of FCC ruling is not written that way. So we need to speak up and get 100% freedom.

I know this is easy fix to do but law is what determine how VRS function and how they operate their videophone. We need to speak up on that matter.

Yes, I agree that is something amiss about the FCC rule... however, I would say it's a great milestone for the most reasons but believe that something could be missing just like you explained.

Like some users don't want some people knowing their single ten-digit numbers so they couldn't provide vp address or like that instead either. Know what I meant, I hope. We shall see how it fares, I guess.

Deaf Mortgage · 07-09-2008, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JClarke

Yet, I am still impressed. Like what secretblend said - there is a network setting that can modify the videophone, what if they are ALL plugged into ONE router, hmm? I believe ALL of them would go off, eh.

Network right now not allowing that. I can have two sorenson vp200 on my same router but both are different phone number. (i dont own two sorenson VP200, it can be done with Dlink DVC-1000 but same issue).

That what we can do right now. FCC is leading to that direction too. We need to have FCC to change one more tiny issue to guide to right path. That is to allow us to set up central HUB videophone. That is easy to do but FCC decides what VRS can and cant do with their videophone devices and products.

So we need to complain to FCC about that. I dont want to wait 5 years for that to happen. I am soon to be a father and need to have quick access to videophone with same phone number on all floor in the house and majority of room in the house. Easier that way than I have to run across the house to answer to one specific videophone.

Deaf Mortgage · 07-09-2008, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by web730

Yes, I agree that is something amiss about the FCC rule... however, I would say it's a great milestone for the most reasons but believe that something could be missing just like you explained.

Like some users don't want some people knowing their single ten-digit numbers so they couldn't provide vp address or like that instead either. Know what I meant, I hope. We shall see how it fares, I guess.

Likewise to hearing people. They do not pass out their phone number wildly. We do the same, we will be treated the same as hearing people. I am certain there will be caller block if needed. I wouldnt pass out my personal home phone number. Only business number.

I want full access in every room of the home that I live in. Just what hearing people can do with their telephone. I want single 10 digit to be connected to as many as 8 videophone as needed. Ring at same time regardless which room I am in. This can be done if FCC ruling allow VRS to use the product to do the same thing.

Our fate of equality is in FCC's hand as to allow us do this.

web730 · 07-09-2008, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Deaf Mortgage

Likewise to hearing people. They do not pass out their phone number wildly. We do the same, we will be treated the same as hearing people. I am certain there will be caller block if needed. I wouldnt pass out my personal home phone number. Only business number.

I want full access in every room of the home that I live in. Just what hearing people can do with their telephone. I want single 10 digit to be connected to as many as 8 videophone as needed. Ring at same time regardless which room I am in. This can be done if FCC ruling allow VRS to use the product to do the same thing.

Our fate of equality is in FCC's hand as to allow us do this.

Yeah! But seldomly few others did pass my numbers to others whom bothered me before so I had to change the numbers manually and let my circle of friends know about the number change.

So I wonder as if we could change whenever that happens like I said above?

I'm still stuck with the vp-100 which doesn't have a block feature. Does the vp-200 has the block feature?

So let's say if both vp types don't have it, then do we have the capability to change numbers if needed going with the single 10-digit numbers only?

diehardbiker · 07-09-2008, 05:50 AM

To better understand how networking works, all Internet network based on IPv4 which is a protocol used in Internet system, that version has set of rules and how they were set up. There is no way to work around the rules that has been set years ago, and will always continue no matter what.

The simple rule is that each machines connects to Internet must have its own unique IP address, that way packets can be sent and recieve without going into other machines.

Of course router's job is to share one public IP address into inside networking system. That router assigns private IP address within inside the network, they have to follow the NAT rules, and it applies same thing, each machine must have its own unique IP address.

But that is not the problem causing anyone not able to have more than 1 VP at same time. The real problem is that with any routers, it can assign a port forward to ONLY one private IP address at a time, and they are not shareable. We have 65535 ports in our Internet system, and VP uses about 21 ports that needed to be used on. So, once these 21 port is assigned to VP A then the VP B will not be able to be assigned the same port. That is real problem. Its all about rules and technical limits set by Internet system.

I do not know about the effect on new Internet version IPv6 which should be release in future, don't ask me when. They may or may not solve the problem with multiple VP in same networking. BTW, the real number may solve the problem with IPv6 because their ip address format looks much like MAC ID and can be confused to general people. IPv4 has easier IP address than IPv6, FYI

Deaf Mortgage · 07-09-2008, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by web730

Yeah! But seldomly few others did pass my numbers to others whom bothered me before so I had to change the numbers manually and let my circle of friends know about the number change.

So I wonder as if we could change whenever that happens like I said above?

I'm still stuck with the vp-100 which doesn't have a block feature. Does the vp-200 has the block feature?

So let's say if both vp types don't have it, then do we have the capability to change numbers if needed going with the single 10-digit numbers only?

You have choices by request VRS to assign you new number when needed. You can keep the number as you switch vrs as well. Or switch to get new number.

Deaf Mortgage · 07-09-2008, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker

To better understand how networking works, all Internet network based on IPv4 which is a protocol used in Internet system, that version has set of rules and how they were set up. There is no way to work around the rules that has been set years ago, and will always continue no matter what.

The simple rule is that each machines connects to Internet must have its own unique IP address, that way packets can be sent and recieve without going into other machines.

Of course router's job is to share one public IP address into inside networking system. That router assigns private IP address within inside the network, they have to follow the NAT rules, and it applies same thing, each machine must have its own unique IP address.

But that is not the problem causing anyone not able to have more than 1 VP at same time. The real problem is that with any routers, it can assign a port forward to ONLY one private IP address at a time, and they are not shareable. We have 65535 ports in our Internet system, and VP uses about 21 ports that needed to be used on. So, once these 21 port is assigned to VP A then the VP B will not be able to be assigned the same port. That is real problem. Its all about rules and technical limits set by Internet system.

I do not know about the effect on new Internet version IPv6 which should be release in future, don't ask me when. They may or may not solve the problem with multiple VP in same networking. BTW, the real number may solve the problem with IPv6 because their ip address format looks much like MAC ID and can be confused to general people. IPv4 has easier IP address than IPv6, FYI

The computer program can be written anytime to modify this situation. Supposed if able to create a videophone hub switchboard. Where its assigned one IP address for the hub but allow the hub send signal to all videophones. Once one answer, then all other will be shut down. The concept is easy to do.

Right now my debate at the point is FCC wrote law to assign single 10 digit to one videophone. That mean if you have 8 videophone, you will get 8 different 10 digits. I want one 10 digits number to all 8 videophone.

The point of this debate is to send complaint to FCC about the ruling. I want more freedom. Skype have alot features they can do and do more than we can do. They have phone over internet. Why not us? Their number is real number and we with proxy. But now FCC ruling demands we get real number but still not 100% to Skype's system.

DeafCruise · 07-09-2008, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deaf Mortgage

The computer program can be written anytime to modify this situation. Supposed if able to create a videophone hub switchboard. Where its assigned one IP address for the hub but allow the hub send signal to all videophones. Once one answer, then all other will be shut down. The concept is easy to do.

Right now my debate at the point is FCC wrote law to assign single 10 digit to one videophone. That mean if you have 8 videophone, you will get 8 different 10 digits. I want one 10 digits number to all 8 videophone.

The point of this debate is to send complaint to FCC about the ruling. I want more freedom. Skype have alot features they can do and do more than we can do. They have phone over internet. Why not us? Their number is real number and we with proxy. But now FCC ruling demands we get real number but still not 100% to Skype's system.

Keep in mind, phone or pbx system has been around for many years. videophone is just brand new. I'll give it time maybe 2 years.. Most of them get vp-100 and 200 are free. Hearing can't. that's different.

Speaking of freedom, it's not exactly freedom. What you wanted is more flexible option set up for vp! Solution, single user login, and add new vp-100 or vp-200 mac address and one phone number will point to several mac address at once. Whoever call that number will be auto route and signals to vp(s).

There is no known software for hub router for vp signals as you mention above yet. Unless, you can develop one and give to every router makers. Not just giving them, but you will have to get IEEE organization standard to ratify it first, then pass it along to router makers! That's pretty long.

IslandBreeze07 · 07-09-2008, 11:04 AM

Appreciate all this information going on in this thread. Here's a question.

What's the BEST thing for someone who doesn't do VP much, use laptop based relay services and want to open up to cold-calling both hearies and deafies? I've only discovered viable vision, oovoo, and etc. I have had Sorenson for almost two years BUT I cut out the high speed access needed for it. I am willing to go back up but I am going wireless too!

Needlesss to say I'm a little overwhelmed with so much electronic information!

PowerON · 07-09-2008, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deaf Mortgage

Network right now not allowing that. I can have two sorenson vp200 on my same router but both are different phone number. (i dont own two sorenson VP200, it can be done with Dlink DVC-1000 but same issue).

That what we can do right now. FCC is leading to that direction too. We need to have FCC to change one more tiny issue to guide to right path. That is to allow us to set up central HUB videophone. That is easy to do but FCC decides what VRS can and cant do with their videophone devices and products.

So we need to complain to FCC about that. I dont want to wait 5 years for that to happen. I am soon to be a father and need to have quick access to videophone with same phone number on all floor in the house and majority of room in the house. Easier that way than I have to run across the house to answer to one specific videophone.

From what I not see that I have seen friend and his roommate have their own videophone, both are different number. However, whatever someone call this person, it also appear the incoming call on display on both!

Deaf Mortgage · 07-09-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DeafCruise

Keep in mind, phone or pbx system has been around for many years. videophone is just brand new. I'll give it time maybe 2 years.. Most of them get vp-100 and 200 are free. Hearing can't. that's different.

Speaking of freedom, it's not exactly freedom. What you wanted is more flexible option set up for vp! Solution, single user login, and add new vp-100 or vp-200 mac address and one phone number will point to several mac address at once. Whoever call that number will be auto route and signals to vp(s).

There is no known software for hub router for vp signals as you mention above yet. Unless, you can develop one and give to every router makers. Not just giving them, but you will have to get IEEE organization standard to ratify it first, then pass it along to router makers! That's pretty long.

Good wording with this quote.

CSDVRS will sell their three products. That opens to hearing and coda to purchase the products. We cannot stay in freebie mode all the time. It a milestone since VRS launched. I dont want to wait for another two years to finally get what I want. It better start now as we go with technology. The technology is out but we not creative with VRS and deaf community. We need to be creative and develop more friendly to all user.

AGBell invented Telephone and now widely used both deaf and hearing.

Thomas Edison is hard of hearing and invented light blub. Now widely used by all people.

Now deaf has impacted the hearing community in most subtle way. This is our chance to do it again and change the technology to better path. This technology can be done and then hearing will want to use the system easily. My family will join me with this technology.

Deaf Mortgage · 07-09-2008, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by IslandBreeze07

Appreciate all this information going on in this thread. Here's a question.

What's the BEST thing for someone who doesn't do VP much, use laptop based relay services and want to open up to cold-calling both hearies and deafies? I've only discovered viable vision, oovoo, and etc. I have had Sorenson for almost two years BUT I cut out the high speed access needed for it. I am willing to go back up but I am going wireless too!

Needlesss to say I'm a little overwhelmed with so much electronic information!

CSDVRS has three products coming out as the Z family. They supposed to announce at NAD conference this week. One of the product is PC based for laptop to call out and call in. I am not sure how it works exactly. They are the inventor of the 10 digit from Personal 800 number. FCC really liked their idea and other VRS now joining the bandwagon on this 10 digits.

Hovrs has new MVP and Sign 3.0 coming out soon. Sign 3.0 should work perfectly call out and call in. They brag about 10 digit number with their product too.

I am strong supporter of CSDVRS and HOVRS. I want to see them develop more services that is more compatible to deaf and hard of hearing community.

The idea I am suggesting about standard videophone hub that will regulate the videophone in the house will be best for deaf community. Easier to work with and flexible.

I think CSDVRS Z family can easily work with videophone hub if the FCC will allow that. Right now FCC ruling does not allow this. Therefore nobody will spend the time and energy on developing videophone HUB.

I want you all to know about this option and send complaint to FCC. Just go to FCC website and send e-complaint about VRS and Videophone product. The more people send complaint the more likely they will immediately change the law to more appropriate.

Think about closed caption law now is outdated. 13 inches or greater is the closed caption law required. Not counting Ipod, Internet based etc... So they are now writing new law about closed caption issue to apply to regardless what kind of technology exist.

We can do the same with videophone.

Deaf Mortgage · 07-09-2008, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

From what I not see that I have seen friend and his roommate have their own videophone, both are different number. However, whatever someone call this person, it also appear the incoming call on display on both!

That because you and your friend are sharing same Public IP address. Both are stored on two different 10 digit proxy name with same IP address. That cause conflict.

That create problem if you have home business and home number. You can purchase additional IP address to resolve that issue. Easily to be done for time being. You will need to work in the router to assign each mac number to each public ip address you purchase. For two videophone, two public ip address to keep separated. I believe that call Port forwarding.

I want to emphasize the freedom of one Public IP address to One 10 Digits number to several Videophone in the house. That will create more freedom for families, senior citizens, and physical disabilities.

Think outside of the box of what you can benefit from the FCC ruling.

PowerWCRulez · 07-09-2008, 12:38 PM

Proxy number = Virtual Phones as the DirectVP, Fax machine. I own a virtual number for my fax line on my existing line (2 in 1 line) a virtual line doesn't have a real time as Caller ID and etc, it's only have a custom rings or discintive rings, Some of VRS companies provide a virtual phone number for DirectVP and etc as "Direct line to deaf caller thru the VRS".

For VP200 it's already have own "Ring Flasher" as the discintive flasher for who are calling you in selected in the addy book. My TR75VRS flasher have a 3 flashes, then I checked on the VP200's ring flasher which one who called me.

Chevy57 · 07-10-2008, 06:52 AM

see someone s blog:

Crazy Deaf Joe Blog » Blog Archive » FCC Successful Support 10 Digit Number

Deaf Mortgage · 07-10-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dbarovian

see someone s blog:

Crazy Deaf Joe Blog » Blog Archive » FCC Successful Support 10 Digit Number

Good blog to read. Even Sign News did write an article about it on their front page for this month.

jeff001 · 07-14-2008, 07:40 AM

There is a solution already for many videophones connected to a single IP address - all VRS services are using it already - you call one number and then it is routed through to the nearest interpreter and if that person is away from the desk then it is moved on to the next interpreter - but the system (ACD) costs hundreds of dollars

Deaf Mortgage · 07-14-2008, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jeff001

There is a solution already for many videophones connected to a single IP address - all VRS services are using it already - you call one number and then it is routed through to the nearest interpreter and if that person is away from the desk then it is moved on to the next interpreter - but the system (ACD) costs hundreds of dollars

Not for personal use at home. FCC permit VRS to do this but not at home yet.

zerodog · 08-19-2008, 09:33 PM

What the FCC rules sound like we go back to dark ages because it will only one provider.

I wonder will the firmware begin removed the IP Address, I wonder will that going affect soon?

To start 10 digital numbers which I only support is 911 system purpose but not the cool or awesome...

It appear little could have abused and again, I did post in previous comment about brag 5 10 digital numbers that the VRS has to use their funds to spend for us get 10 digital numbers. It says that on FCC, again --- I was hoping that people use wisely instead abuse...

JClarke · 08-19-2008, 10:03 PM

the IP won't disappear -- becuase we need the IP address to make the internet work. the Ip address will be out of view when you have the 10 digit.

Chevy57 · 08-19-2008, 10:11 PM

[QUOTE=zerodog;1068531]What the FCC rules sound like we go back to dark ages because it will only one provider.

I wonder will the firmware begin removed the IP Address, I wonder will that going affect soon?

I think that it may removed IP address. I had discussed with my HOVRS supervisor about it. he said that MVP includes purple number only and don't need IP address into it. I wonder about it. I will find out later.

JClarke · 08-19-2008, 10:26 PM

Dbarovian, look what I have just said above -- #27 -- The IP address is needed to make the internet work!

Chevy57 · 08-19-2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JClarke

Dbarovian, look what I have just said above -- #27 -- The IP address is needed to make the internet work!

I know what you said . FCC rule and order report is not finishing to work till December 31, 2008.

See FCC Consumer Advisory report and look for new ten-digital number info.

New Ten-Digit Numbering and Emergency Call Handling Procedures for Internet-Based Telecommunications Relay Services

you can file a complaint with the FCC

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Deaf Mortgage Got Mortgage? Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Loon State Posts: 909 Blog Entries: 2	FCC and 10 digits is a milestone but not 100% freedom I applaud to FCC and 10 digit ruling. HOWEVER, the law is written as one 10 digit number to a device. Means you only can have one device per 10 digit. This give us 90% freedom but not 100% freedom. PROBLEM, hearing house hold has several phone in the house and can answer from Kitchen, or living room or bedroom. We cannot do this way if the ruling is set as one 10 digit per device. Mean my kitchen VP will be different number than living room. I rather to see the FCC to modify the ruling. Have 10 digit to be tied to one HUB videophone where it can ring all videophone and can be answered anywhere in the house. I know deaf seniors will love this because they cannot get out of bed and walk to videophone in living room to answer. Not fast enough. So if videophone is in bedroom and same number as living room, it will be easier for them to walk to nearest videophone than running across the house or home or condo to get to the videophone they want to answer. If they fell down in bedroom, they can dial 911 from bedroom, not have to crawl to living room to dial 911. Another good reason for tying to one Hub videophone is for families. Supposed mother is in kitchen and father is away from home. Mother watching the kids playing outside. Phone rings, mother cannot answer the phone in living room because she will be out of sight of the kid. So she has to ignore the important calls just to watch the kid. If the kid come in, then mother can follow up with the miss call. Yet safety is another issue. We need to reconsider what FCC and 10 digit ruling to one videophone device. We need freedom! If you know the link to FCC, please clarify how to send open complaint to FCC about the ruling to 1 videophone tied to one 10 digits. We need like 8 videophone to one 10 digit. Easier that way and give family and seniors freedom of where their videophone in the house. Not limit to one room or one videophone. We need the freedom!

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JClarke Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: cruising across the country Posts: 18,001 Blog Entries: 4	Yet, I am still impressed. Like what secretblend said - there is a network setting that can modify the videophone, what if they are ALL plugged into ONE router, hmm? I believe ALL of them would go off, eh.

07-09-2008, 05:50 AM	#12 (permalink)
diehardbiker Somewhere in the mountain Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,869	To better understand how networking works, all Internet network based on IPv4 which is a protocol used in Internet system, that version has set of rules and how they were set up. There is no way to work around the rules that has been set years ago, and will always continue no matter what. The simple rule is that each machines connects to Internet must have its own unique IP address, that way packets can be sent and recieve without going into other machines. Of course router's job is to share one public IP address into inside networking system. That router assigns private IP address within inside the network, they have to follow the NAT rules, and it applies same thing, each machine must have its own unique IP address. But that is not the problem causing anyone not able to have more than 1 VP at same time. The real problem is that with any routers, it can assign a port forward to ONLY one private IP address at a time, and they are not shareable. We have 65535 ports in our Internet system, and VP uses about 21 ports that needed to be used on. So, once these 21 port is assigned to VP A then the VP B will not be able to be assigned the same port. That is real problem. Its all about rules and technical limits set by Internet system. I do not know about the effect on new Internet version IPv6 which should be release in future, don't ask me when. They may or may not solve the problem with multiple VP in same networking. BTW, the real number may solve the problem with IPv6 because their ip address format looks much like MAC ID and can be confused to general people. IPv4 has easier IP address than IPv6, FYI

07-10-2008, 06:52 AM	#22 (permalink)
Chevy57 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 4,320	see someone s blog: Crazy Deaf Joe Blog » Blog Archive » FCC Successful Support 10 Digit Number

07-14-2008, 07:40 AM	#24 (permalink)
jeff001 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1	There is a solution already for many videophones connected to a single IP address - all VRS services are using it already - you call one number and then it is routed through to the nearest interpreter and if that person is away from the desk then it is moved on to the next interpreter - but the system (ACD) costs hundreds of dollars

08-19-2008, 10:03 PM	#27 (permalink)
JClarke Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: cruising across the country Posts: 18,001 Blog Entries: 4	the IP won't disappear -- becuase we need the IP address to make the internet work. the Ip address will be out of view when you have the 10 digit.

08-19-2008, 10:11 PM	#28 (permalink)
Chevy57 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 4,320	[QUOTE=zerodog;1068531]What the FCC rules sound like we go back to dark ages because it will only one provider. I wonder will the firmware begin removed the IP Address, I wonder will that going affect soon? I think that it may removed IP address. I had discussed with my HOVRS supervisor about it. he said that MVP includes purple number only and don't need IP address into it. I wonder about it. I will find out later.

08-19-2008, 10:26 PM	#29 (permalink)
JClarke Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: cruising across the country Posts: 18,001 Blog Entries: 4	Dbarovian, look what I have just said above -- #27 -- The IP address is needed to make the internet work!