FCC and 10 digits is a milestone but not 100% freedom - Page 2

JClarke · 08-19-2008, 11:49 PM

Still IP address will be well hidden

Chevy57 · 08-19-2008, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JClarke

Still IP address will be well hidden

See my edit of my post

JClarke · 08-19-2008, 11:53 PM

We'll see if we can see any difference -- or if it fucks up with our modem, then we can complain to the FCC

Chevy57 · 08-20-2008, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JClarke

We'll see if we can see any difference -- or if it fucks up with our modem, then we can complain to the FCC

You can read comments on several VRS providers.
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diehardbiker · 08-20-2008, 01:36 AM

He is right, the Internet is based on TCP/IP, there is no way to bypass the IP addressing system. Today, the Internet uses IP v4 which requires 4 sets of IP address from 0 to 254. IPv6 is now in works and it will STILL need IP addresses, and it won't look like the IP address you'd see today. It probably will consists of 12 digits from 0 to F (0-9,a,b,c,d,e f). However the IPv6 still in the works and has not approved yet at this time by world committe for the Internet. I am not sure what that organization was called.

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Originally Posted by JClarke

Dbarovian, look what I have just said above -- #27 -- The IP address is needed to make the internet work!

JClarke · 08-20-2008, 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diehardbiker

He is right, the Internet is based on TCP/IP, there is no way to bypass the IP addressing system. Today, the Internet uses IP v4 which requires 4 sets of IP address from 0 to 254. IPv6 is now in works and it will STILL need IP addresses, and it won't look like the IP address you'd see today. It probably will consists of 12 digits from 0 to F (0-9,a,b,c,d,e f). However the IPv6 still in the works and has not approved yet at this time by world committe for the Internet. I am not sure what that organization was called.

Thanks for more claification, DHB and it is excatly what I thought as well... It is impossible to have these IP addresses removed if it would happen, then internet would have crashed for sure and we would be back in the dark ages!

diehardbiker · 08-20-2008, 01:44 AM

Here is what FCC said about the IP address of each device...

New Ten-Digit Numbering and Emergency Call Handling Procedures for Internet-Based Telecommunications Relay Services

========================
receive a call from a voice telephone user when the caller dials the VRS or IP Relay user’s ten-digit telephone number. (The caller does not need to know the VRS or IP Relay user’s IP address to make the call.)
========================

Read what they explained, still IP address exists no matter what.

DHB

JClarke · 08-20-2008, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diehardbiker

Here is what FCC said about the IP address of each device...

New Ten-Digit Numbering and Emergency Call Handling Procedures for Internet-Based Telecommunications Relay Services

========================
receive a call from a voice telephone user when the caller dials the VRS or IP Relay user’s ten-digit telephone number. (The caller does not need to know the VRS or IP Relay user’s IP address to make the call.)
========================

Read what they explained, still IP address exists no matter what.

DHB

That's explains clearly and also, it is just a system implementation that recongises the IP address and will take care of the configuration when making a call, IP addresses doesn't need to be known. SInce you know, If I want to make a call to USA from Australia -- I have to use IP address, the system will know what this IP address is heading for.

Make sense?

Deaf Mortgage · 08-20-2008, 11:26 AM

I am wondering if FCC ruling has anything about tying one ten digits to one videophone device? If so, then its still slow to mainstream in daily life.

If not, then it make sense to have videophone hub that regulate the 10 digits to specific MAC numbers. That will do but when will it happen for home? Office already done with this system.

Chevy57 · 08-20-2008, 02:03 PM

Sorenson is asking the Commission to continue to allow the use of proxy numbers.

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/r...ent=6520038528

I don't think that they keep Sorenson VRS users' proxy numbers in VP. If users move out of state or city, should change proxy numbers cuz reason of e911 system. I had moved out last two years and should change different area code but have same old proxy numbers in my new place.

Deaf Mortgage · 08-20-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dbarovian

Sorenson is asking the Commission to continue to allow the use of proxy numbers.

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/r...ent=6520038528

I don't think that they keep Sorenson VRS users' proxy numbers in VP. If users move out of state or city, should change proxy numbers cuz reason of e911 system. I had moved out last two years and should change different area code but have same old proxy numbers in my new place.

Every time fcc make a ruling, Sorenson complains. It appears that they are milking the money as much as they can.

My understanding Sorenson want as much VRS minutes as possible. The true reason they dont want hearing to have access to videophone, so that force hearing use VRS to call deaf.

This type of fight for full accessible is a long fight. That the reason I am asking FCC to reconsider and fix the ruling. Tying the ten digit number to one videophone is outdated. It need to be modified to multi device in a home. That way it will allow multi user in home, apartment, dorm etc... You name it, more control to us of where the phone number goes. Profile, registration required and continue to regulate it fully.

I continue to ask for 8 videophone to one 10 digit number for a reason. That will give us full access in a home where videophone is in kitchen, living room, bedroom, garage, backyard, office, basement, upstair if needed and anywhere that you often pass by. I dont want to run from upstairs to 1st floor to answer a videophone. Hearing people dont do that. They have a phone in every room in the house. I want the same equality.

Deaf Mortgage · 08-20-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Deaf Mortgage

Every time fcc make a ruling, Sorenson complains. It appears that they are milking the money as much as they can.

My understanding Sorenson want as much VRS minutes as possible. The true reason they dont want hearing to have access to videophone, so that force hearing use VRS to call deaf.

This type of fight for full accessible is a long fight. That the reason I am asking FCC to reconsider and fix the ruling. Tying the ten digit number to one videophone is outdated. It need to be modified to multi device in a home. That way it will allow multi user in home, apartment, dorm etc... You name it, more control to us of where the phone number goes. Profile, registration required and continue to regulate it fully.

I continue to ask for 8 videophone to one 10 digit number for a reason. That will give us full access in a home where videophone is in kitchen, living room, bedroom, garage, backyard, office, basement, upstair if needed and anywhere that you often pass by. I dont want to run from upstairs to 1st floor to answer a videophone. Hearing people dont do that. They have a phone in every room in the house. I want the same equality.

additional to this - think of deaf that are physically disabled. They will not be able to move as fast as they can to a videophone.

Or

Senior citizen at age of 80, they will not be able to move fast to a videophone and what if they fell? They cant dial 911. That if they dont have pager on them. Yet the pager do not have 911 profile and its mobile. Its easier to assign 911 profile to a home that does not change often.

Chevy57 · 08-20-2008, 04:00 PM

I continue to ask for 8 videophone to one 10 digit number for a reason. That will give us full access in a home where videophone is in kitchen, living room, bedroom, garage, backyard, office, basement, upstair if needed and anywhere that you often pass by. I dont want to run from upstairs to 1st floor to answer a videophone. Hearing people dont do that. They have a phone in every room in the house. I want the same equality.[/QUOTE]

Second, single phone number in few videophone in every room!! Same as each phone in every room.

I had worked for Sorenson in three years. Sorenson had pressured our installers to new deaf customers to use VRS to call hearing than call dearies later. If installers were nothing to explain them for using VRS, Sorenson won't pay for us. That s BS.

Chevy57 · 08-20-2008, 04:14 PM

Senior citizen at age of 80, they will not be able to move fast to a videophone and what if they fell? They cant dial 911. That if they dont have pager on them. Yet the pager do not have 911 profile and its mobile. Its easier to assign 911 profile to a home that does not change often.[/QUOTE]

Right, We need e911 system (not traditional 911) in videophone till end of December 31 by FCC rule. Sorenson VRS, ATT Vrs and few VRS have 911 systems. Deafies have send info of address, city and state to VRS that were waste of time. That not so worth.

Senior citizen can dial one as e911 in vp once and may use ASL or not before emergency service is coming faster.

Deaf Mortgage · 08-20-2008, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbarovian

Senior citizen at age of 80, they will not be able to move fast to a videophone and what if they fell? They cant dial 911. That if they dont have pager on them. Yet the pager do not have 911 profile and its mobile. Its easier to assign 911 profile to a home that does not change often.

Right, We need e911 system (not traditional 911) in videophone till end of December 31 by FCC rule. Sorenson VRS, ATT Vrs and few VRS have 911 systems. Deafies have send info of address, city and state to VRS that were waste of time. That not so worth.

Senior citizen can dial one as e911 in vp once and may use ASL or not before emergency service is coming faster.

I am so glad to find someone agree with me. Not many are on same boat with me regard of this and videophone in every room in the house.

Now you are an ally for me!

JClarke · 08-20-2008, 07:07 PM

Interesting concept.

GraysonPeddie · 08-21-2008, 02:51 AM

Main goal for FCC: Keeping in mind of senior citizens who are deaf and use video phone service is their first priority. E911 comes first as the highest priority of all.

Direct to the Point: Plain and Simple!

Chevy57 · 09-11-2008, 05:14 PM

The FCC has just awarded NeuStar Inc., to build and operate centralized database for Internet-based relay services to create numbering system for VRS/IP users.

Ed's Telecom Alert s report:
Ed’s Telecom Alert » NeuStar Selected for Database Provider for the New Tele Numbers

web730 · 09-11-2008, 07:29 PM

"Sorenson Again" - Sign Petition regarding about the 10 digit phone numbers.

Open the Directory!

qwerty123 · 09-13-2008, 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by web730

"Sorenson Again" - Sign Petition regarding about the 10 digit phone numbers.

Open the Directory!

why petition if we have fcc order?

08-19-2008, 11:49 PM	#31 (permalink)
JClarke Good times, good times. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Packing bags for U.S.A Posts: 19,563 Blog Entries: 5	Still IP address will be well hidden __________________ If you want to meet me in U.S, click here!

08-19-2008, 11:53 PM	#33 (permalink)
JClarke Good times, good times. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Packing bags for U.S.A Posts: 19,563 Blog Entries: 5	We'll see if we can see any difference -- or if it fucks up with our modem, then we can complain to the FCC __________________ If you want to meet me in U.S, click here!

08-20-2008, 02:03 PM	#40 (permalink)
Chevy57 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buckeye State Posts: 5,281	Soreson filed petition to allow use of proxy number? Sorenson is asking the Commission to continue to allow the use of proxy numbers. http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/r...ent=6520038528 I don't think that they keep Sorenson VRS users' proxy numbers in VP. If users move out of state or city, should change proxy numbers cuz reason of e911 system. I had moved out last two years and should change different area code but have same old proxy numbers in my new place.

08-20-2008, 07:07 PM	#46 (permalink)
JClarke Good times, good times. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Packing bags for U.S.A Posts: 19,563 Blog Entries: 5	Interesting concept. __________________ If you want to meet me in U.S, click here!

08-21-2008, 02:51 AM	#47 (permalink)
GraysonPeddie Eye/Hear/Speech Impaired Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL 32310 Posts: 1,077	Main goal for FCC: Keeping in mind of senior citizens who are deaf and use video phone service is their first priority. E911 comes first as the highest priority of all. Direct to the Point: Plain and Simple! __________________ ASL Tutorials: http://www.lifeprint.com/asl101/page...t/concepts.htm www.lessontutor.com/ASLgenhome.html ASL Grammar: http://daphne.palomar.edu/kstruxness...les%201-06.pdf ASL Browser: http://commtechlab.msu.edu/sites/aslweb/browser.htm www.lifeprint.com/asl101/pages-layout/signs.htm www.aslpro.com

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08-20-2008, 01:44 AM	#37 (permalink)
diehardbiker Stuck in New York! Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 7,152	Here is what FCC said about the IP address of each device... New Ten-Digit Numbering and Emergency Call Handling Procedures for Internet-Based Telecommunications Relay Services ======================== receive a call from a voice telephone user when the caller dials the VRS or IP Relay user’s ten-digit telephone number. (The caller does not need to know the VRS or IP Relay user’s IP address to make the call.) ======================== Read what they explained, still IP address exists no matter what. DHB

08-20-2008, 11:26 AM	#39 (permalink)
Deaf Mortgage Got Mortgage? Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Loon State Posts: 909 Blog Entries: 3	I am wondering if FCC ruling has anything about tying one ten digits to one videophone device? If so, then its still slow to mainstream in daily life. If not, then it make sense to have videophone hub that regulate the 10 digits to specific MAC numbers. That will do but when will it happen for home? Office already done with this system.

08-20-2008, 04:00 PM	#43 (permalink)
Chevy57 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buckeye State Posts: 5,281	I continue to ask for 8 videophone to one 10 digit number for a reason. That will give us full access in a home where videophone is in kitchen, living room, bedroom, garage, backyard, office, basement, upstair if needed and anywhere that you often pass by. I dont want to run from upstairs to 1st floor to answer a videophone. Hearing people dont do that. They have a phone in every room in the house. I want the same equality.[/QUOTE] Second, single phone number in few videophone in every room!! Same as each phone in every room. I had worked for Sorenson in three years. Sorenson had pressured our installers to new deaf customers to use VRS to call hearing than call dearies later. If installers were nothing to explain them for using VRS, Sorenson won't pay for us. That s BS.

08-20-2008, 04:14 PM	#44 (permalink)
Chevy57 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buckeye State Posts: 5,281	Senior citizen at age of 80, they will not be able to move fast to a videophone and what if they fell? They cant dial 911. That if they dont have pager on them. Yet the pager do not have 911 profile and its mobile. Its easier to assign 911 profile to a home that does not change often.[/QUOTE] Right, We need e911 system (not traditional 911) in videophone till end of December 31 by FCC rule. Sorenson VRS, ATT Vrs and few VRS have 911 systems. Deafies have send info of address, city and state to VRS that were waste of time. That not so worth. Senior citizen can dial one as e911 in vp once and may use ASL or not before emergency service is coming faster.

09-11-2008, 05:14 PM	#48 (permalink)
Chevy57 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buckeye State Posts: 5,281	FCC awards contract NeuStars inc. The FCC has just awarded NeuStar Inc., to build and operate centralized database for Internet-based relay services to create numbering system for VRS/IP users. Ed's Telecom Alert s report: Ed’s Telecom Alert » NeuStar Selected for Database Provider for the New Tele Numbers

09-11-2008, 07:29 PM	#49 (permalink)
web730 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 2,163	"Sorenson Again" - Sign Petition regarding about the 10 digit phone numbers. Open the Directory!

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