SnapVRS and Ojo VP - Page 2

diehardbiker · 09-18-2007, 07:08 PM

Hey, I have been waiting for Ojo and I STILL haven't got one after applied for one almost 2 years ago. What kind of business SnapVRS is doing? They SUCKS!

The more I wait for the Ojo, the more I hear cons about these product. Making me wondering is it really worth waiting for Ojo? I don't think so.

What turns me off even more is that they don't widen their screen. Too narrow making me sign narrower than normal, getta outta of here. PLUS no external flasher to hook up? Whats wrong with them? Are they expecting deafies to be near the Ojo to catch the ringing? Insane!

Believe it or not, I have two other I-2eye VP and I haven't used it for a long long long time. Know why? They depend on IP address, VP number isn't interchangeable... SUCKS! again.

So, I'm sticking to Sorenson VP and I don't mind the wait whenever I need assistance from Sorenson. Why? I know most Deaf people depends on Sorenson VP, and of course I believe they have done good job trying to meet everybody's needs. so that means we pay with time instead of money. Remember it is FREE from Sorenson.

Freaky Cat · 09-19-2007, 01:00 PM

yeah its small from what i have seen in the picture.. i like bigger screen so can feel comfy and sign comfy rather than sign like u are embarrassed and doesnt want others to see u sign? sheesh..

i dont think it will dominate the deaf markets.. Sorenson VP will continue to dominate the deaf markets for now...

navyman · 09-19-2007, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardbiker

Hey, I have been waiting for Ojo and I STILL haven't got one after applied for one almost 2 years ago. What kind of business SnapVRS is doing? They SUCKS!

The more I wait for the Ojo, the more I hear cons about these product. Making me wondering is it really worth waiting for Ojo? I don't think so.

What turns me off even more is that they don't widen their screen. Too narrow making me sign narrower than normal, getta outta of here. PLUS no external flasher to hook up? Whats wrong with them? Are they expecting deafies to be near the Ojo to catch the ringing? Insane!

Believe it or not, I have two other I-2eye VP and I haven't used it for a long long long time. Know why? They depend on IP address, VP number isn't interchangeable... SUCKS! again.

So, I'm sticking to Sorenson VP and I don't mind the wait whenever I need assistance from Sorenson. Why? I know most Deaf people depends on Sorenson VP, and of course I believe they have done good job trying to meet everybody's needs. so that means we pay with time instead of money. Remember it is FREE from Sorenson.

Do you work for Sorenson in any capacity?

Dennis · 09-24-2007, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by navyman

Do you work for Sorenson in any capacity?

Last time I checked, yeah, he does. At least he states that he does VP installs.

diehardbiker · 09-24-2007, 12:07 PM

I never said I am Sorenson Installer.

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Originally Posted by Dennis

Last time I checked, yeah, he does. At least he states that he does VP installs.

NeilMcD · 09-24-2007, 12:59 PM

For what it's worth: The Small screen is a GOOD THING in my opinion. I can't tell you how many times on other videophones where people set up the screen/camera so far away that it's impossible to see them. With the Ojo, they're forced to sign clearly and to sit close to the Ojo.

Personally, I love it. The phone uses very little bandwidth compared to its main competitor and in my house, we have two ojo's set up behind one firewall.

webexplorer · 09-24-2007, 09:30 PM

Yeah, I like both Ojo and VP. It does not matter. It is too bad that Ojo does not have a flasher. An Ojo inventor is not too bright about deaf people's need. Nothing that we can do about it. The IP Address that you don't have to remember that because you can save it in your Ojo's phonebook right there.

If the Ojo's new design does not come with the flasher, that will hurt us. I would return mine and insult the company, but not now. Just wait in a couple of months or one year if there is an announcement for a new one.

ideafspy · 09-25-2007, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis

Last time I checked, yeah, he does. At least he states that he does VP installs.

He is working as VP Installer? I am wonder where... Should I say, are you installer of CSD because I know you are fan of CSD?

I am curious, why you are assume he is installer?

navyman · 09-26-2007, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Personally, I love it. The phone uses very little bandwidth compared to its main competitor and in my house, we have two ojo's set up behind one firewall.

How did you end up with two Ojos? Did you set up one of them in the DMZ and the other via the virtual server settings?

NeilMcD · 09-26-2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by navyman

How did you end up with two Ojos? Did you set up one of them in the DMZ and the other via the virtual server settings?

I work from home so one is from work and the other is my wife/family Ojo.

Re: Firewall: You don't need to do that since SIP connections are very flexible. In fact, if I remember correctly, you can, theoretically, plug in up to 75 ojo's behind one IP address where as the H323 protocol limits you to one VP per IP address.

I'm not a techie and I don't pretend to be one but this definitely is a big PLUS for the Ojo in terms of having multiple units in a home/office without having to request additional IP addresses.

navyman · 09-26-2007, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I work from home so one is from work and the other is my wife/family Ojo.

Re: Firewall: You don't need to do that since SIP connections are very flexible. In fact, if I remember correctly, you can, theoretically, plug in up to 75 ojo's behind one IP address where as the H323 protocol limits you to one VP per IP address.

I'm not a techie and I don't pretend to be one but this definitely is a big PLUS for the Ojo in terms of having multiple units in a home/office without having to request additional IP addresses.

Cool, thanks for explaining. I thought SIP-based devices were flexible, but not THAT flexible. My wife ordered an Ojo for herself, so I'm looking forward to having two Ojos on one network.

navyman · 09-26-2007, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis

Last time I checked, yeah, he does. At least he states that he does VP installs.

If true, that would explain his die-hard rhetoric against SnapVRS's Ojo.

NeilMcD · 09-27-2007, 09:47 AM

To be fair: I should note that if you're planning to use the Ojo to make H323 calls (in other words, calls to other VPs), it will only support one Ojo since the H323 protocol only allows one VP behind the firewall. HOWEVER: you can still have as many SIP Ojos in the network but they won't be h323-enabled.

GarnetTigerMom · 09-30-2007, 04:05 PM

Excuse me,, I never seen that Snapsvrs OJO portable phone.. that not what I have. I got black OJO look different then the one you show on Portable OJO. It was not on that list I see on the web site. So far I like OJO VP ,, But I can tell you that OJO VP will not work with Sorenson VP. You must have same OJO VP to work with other OJO VP. I have tried testing that with Soreson VP with OJO with a a friends.. it don't work that way.

diehardbiker · 09-30-2007, 04:22 PM

That isn't true, I have tested and yes it works but not as great as it should be. The VP number will not work, actually Sorenson VP number system work only with Sorenson VP products, same way with SnapVRS VP number system as well. So is D-Link I-2eye has its own VP number system and all of these three number systems are not interchangeable and have nothing to do with Telephone companies at all.

The solution for Sorenson VP to OjO is use public IP address not private IP address as most thought it is. Unfortunately most IP address in residential is DHCP, meaning that they will change over time.

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Originally Posted by GarnetTigerMom

Excuse me,, I never seen that Snapsvrs OJO portable phone.. that not what I have. I got black OJO look different then the one you show on Portable OJO. It was not on that list I see on the web site. So far I like OJO VP ,, But I can tell you that OJO VP will not work with Sorenson VP. You must have same OJO VP to work with other OJO VP. I have tried testing that with Soreson VP with OJO with a a friends.. it don't work that way.

GarnetTigerMom · 09-30-2007, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diehardbiker

That isn't true, I have tested and yes it works but not as great as it should be. The VP number will not work, actually Sorenson VP number system work only with Sorenson VP products, same way with SnapVRS VP number system as well. So is D-Link I-2eye has its own VP number system and all of these three number systems are not interchangeable and have nothing to do with Telephone companies at all.

The solution for Sorenson VP to OjO is use public IP address not private IP address as most thought it is. Unfortunately most IP address in residential is DHCP, meaning that they will change over time.

Acutally I have tried using IP address with Sorenson with a friend and a friend try to use my IP address to call me on OJO.. still it not working for some reasons that it seems not accpeting the call. Are you postive it works with Soreson?

diehardbiker · 09-30-2007, 04:58 PM

I have few friends that got OjO and called me, and I did call them too. Works like charm. The only thing that sucks is video quality.

Please remember there are two IP addresses involved, one we called private address, for example 192.168.0.125, 192.168.1.125 will not work at all. What you need is public IP address to call your friends.

The Public IP address and Private ip address, whats difference? The answer is very obviously yet people got confused. Private IP address means it is private from the world, and no one can see it, while public IP address is of course public and world can see them, that is how other VP finds other VP.

If you have OjO, and wanted to know your public IP address. I am not sure how to find on OjO, but you can go on your computer type in WhatIsMyIP.com and that is public IP address you need.

If you type in whatsmyip.com and you got the answer, give that answer to your friend and have him or her call you with that Public IP address.

For Sorenson VP, it is very easy to locate the public IP address and it is 99.99% guarantee to work. Go on VP, click Setting --> Network --> Public IP and on the first line you will see "auto-detect public IP address (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx)" you see your public IP by that (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) and use that.

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Originally Posted by GarnetTigerMom

Acutally I have tried using IP address with Sorenson with a friend and a friend try to use my IP address to call me on OJO.. still it not working for some reasons that it seems not accpeting the call. Are you postive it works with Soreson?

TheLucky1 · 09-30-2007, 11:40 PM

This is from SNAP's FAQ's

FAQ - How do I receive a call on my Ojo from a VP?

To receive a call from a VP or D-Link, they must dial your IP address. Your IP address is displayed on your main screen along with your Ojo number. You will see the video quality may be different when you are connected with VPs and D-Links. This is because the old technology has more limitations and internet speed requirements than the newest technology only offered by the Ojos. So the picture you see of your VP caller is only as good as his VP allows.

Snap!VRS Video Relay Services | Sign Language Telephone Communication

Reba · 10-01-2007, 03:42 PM

I would like to get an OJO so I can chat directly with Deaf friends instead of using Relay. But OJO costs $300 for the equipment, and $14.95 per month for service. Ouch!

Maybe someday....

navyman · 10-02-2007, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reba

I would like to get an OJO so I can chat directly with Deaf friends instead of using Relay. But OJO costs $300 for the equipment, and $14.95 per month for service. Ouch!

Maybe someday....

You can call them by using a webcam or any other H.323-enabled video device. However, I did notice that when I called my VP-200 from my Ojo, the video quality on the VP-200 was quite bad while the video quality on the Ojo was good. This is probably because the VP-200 uses H.263 video codec (i.e, MPEG2) while Ojo uses H.264 (i.e., MPEG4). This means Ojo sends video data at half the rate as a VP200, which cannot decode MPEG4 data into MPEG2 data without compromising quality.

Reba · 10-02-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by navyman

You can call them by using a webcam or any other H.323-enabled video device. However, I did notice that when I called my VP-200 from my Ojo, the video quality on the VP-200 was quite bad while the video quality on the Ojo was good. This is probably because the VP-200 uses H.263 video codec (i.e, MPEG2) while Ojo uses H.264 (i.e., MPEG4). This means Ojo sends video data at half the rate as a VP200, which cannot decode MPEG4 data into MPEG2 data without compromising quality.

That information is good to know. Thank you.

I don't think I can make any equipment purchases now. I just found out this afternoon that my work hours have been severely cut, so I can't afford anything now.

Oh, well.

NeilMcD · 10-03-2007, 05:19 PM

Reba,

Get in touch with the folks at Snap. I believe the prices were recently lowered.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reba

I would like to get an OJO so I can chat directly with Deaf friends instead of using Relay. But OJO costs $300 for the equipment, and $14.95 per month for service. Ouch!

Maybe someday....

Reba · 10-03-2007, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Reba,

Get in touch with the folks at Snap. I believe the prices were recently lowered.

Really? I just checked the website a few days ago. I'll check again.

ismi · 10-03-2007, 06:51 PM

For those of you who have an Ojo, what was the wait time? I found out a few days ago that my application was accepted, but there's a long waiting list, and no one at snap seems to be able to ballpark when I might get mine.

diehardbiker · 10-03-2007, 07:41 PM

Applied over a year ago, and I don't know whats up with them anymore. Sure they contacted me and said I was approved, but that was 3 months ago. I think they are hiding something.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ismi

For those of you who have an Ojo, what was the wait time? I found out a few days ago that my application was accepted, but there's a long waiting list, and no one at snap seems to be able to ballpark when I might get mine.

ideafspy · 10-06-2007, 04:23 AM

Have some patient otherwise if you aren't patient, buy one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ismi

For those of you who have an Ojo, what was the wait time? I found out a few days ago that my application was accepted, but there's a long waiting list, and no one at snap seems to be able to ballpark when I might get mine.

ismi · 10-06-2007, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ideafspy

Have some patient otherwise if you aren't patient, buy one.

Oh, I'll be patient. I'm just curious as to how patient I will be ;-)

campsean · 12-19-2007, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diehardbiker

Applied over a year ago, and I don't know whats up with them anymore. Sure they contacted me and said I was approved, but that was 3 months ago. I think they are hiding something.

There has been an explosion of deaf consumers applying for an Ojo. So, the wait time has become long. I have an Ojo myself - took a while for it to arrive, but it's well worth the wait. I find myself using SnapVRS services often than any other VRS providers.

Bottom line: FOOK Sorenson! They keep track of how many times you call Soreson VRS. I still have a VP100 and Sorenson REFUSES to upgrade me to the VP200 because they say that I don't use their VRS services as often as they hope I'd do. Well.. they just fooking lost a customer! Good riddace, Sorenson!

campsean · 12-19-2007, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diehardbiker

I have few friends that got OjO and called me, and I did call them too. Works like charm. The only thing that sucks is video quality.

Please remember there are two IP addresses involved, one we called private address, for example 192.168.0.125, 192.168.1.125 will not work at all. What you need is public IP address to call your friends.

The Public IP address and Private ip address, whats difference? The answer is very obviously yet people got confused. Private IP address means it is private from the world, and no one can see it, while public IP address is of course public and world can see them, that is how other VP finds other VP.

If you have OjO, and wanted to know your public IP address. I am not sure how to find on OjO, but you can go on your computer type in WhatIsMyIP.com and that is public IP address you need.

If you type in whatsmyip.com and you got the answer, give that answer to your friend and have him or her call you with that Public IP address.

For Sorenson VP, it is very easy to locate the public IP address and it is 99.99% guarantee to work. Go on VP, click Setting --> Network --> Public IP and on the first line you will see "auto-detect public IP address (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx)" you see your public IP by that (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) and use that.

The OJO's now list your Ojo phone number AND your public IP address at the main screen. No need to go to WhatIsMyIP.com to find your public ip address. Problem solved.

GarnetTigerMom · 12-19-2007, 10:36 PM

I love my OJO, I use ojo more than I use sorenson. OJO is pretty good so far so good. I love it!

09-18-2007, 07:08 PM	#31 (permalink)
diehardbiker Stuck in New York! Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 7,152	Hey, I have been waiting for Ojo and I STILL haven't got one after applied for one almost 2 years ago. What kind of business SnapVRS is doing? They SUCKS! The more I wait for the Ojo, the more I hear cons about these product. Making me wondering is it really worth waiting for Ojo? I don't think so. What turns me off even more is that they don't widen their screen. Too narrow making me sign narrower than normal, getta outta of here. PLUS no external flasher to hook up? Whats wrong with them? Are they expecting deafies to be near the Ojo to catch the ringing? Insane! Believe it or not, I have two other I-2eye VP and I haven't used it for a long long long time. Know why? They depend on IP address, VP number isn't interchangeable... SUCKS! again. So, I'm sticking to Sorenson VP and I don't mind the wait whenever I need assistance from Sorenson. Why? I know most Deaf people depends on Sorenson VP, and of course I believe they have done good job trying to meet everybody's needs. so that means we pay with time instead of money. Remember it is FREE from Sorenson. __________________ Please do not follow unless your driving REAL 4x4 with LOW! FUN is standard...PAVEMENT is optional.... Plus Jeep Wrangler owner too.

09-30-2007, 04:05 PM	#44 (permalink)
GarnetTigerMom Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 4,958	Excuse me,, I never seen that Snapsvrs OJO portable phone.. that not what I have. I got black OJO look different then the one you show on Portable OJO. It was not on that list I see on the web site. So far I like OJO VP ,, But I can tell you that OJO VP will not work with Sorenson VP. You must have same OJO VP to work with other OJO VP. I have tried testing that with Soreson VP with OJO with a a friends.. it don't work that way. __________________ GarnetTigerMom "The rain may be falling hard outside, But your smile makes it all alright. I'm so glad that you're my friend. I know our friendship will never end." -- Robert Alan

10-01-2007, 03:42 PM	#49 (permalink)
Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 20,546	I would like to get an OJO so I can chat directly with Deaf friends instead of using Relay. But OJO costs $300 for the equipment, and $14.95 per month for service. Ouch! Maybe someday.... __________________ "This most beautiful system [The Universe] could only proceed from the dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being." -- Sir Isaac Newton Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other. --John Adams

12-19-2007, 10:36 PM	#60 (permalink)
GarnetTigerMom Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 4,958	I love my OJO, I use ojo more than I use sorenson. OJO is pretty good so far so good. I love it! __________________ GarnetTigerMom "The rain may be falling hard outside, But your smile makes it all alright. I'm so glad that you're my friend. I know our friendship will never end." -- Robert Alan

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09-19-2007, 01:00 PM	#32 (permalink)
Freaky Cat Happy Spring :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: ArKaNsAs Posts: 10,215	yeah its small from what i have seen in the picture.. i like bigger screen so can feel comfy and sign comfy rather than sign like u are embarrassed and doesnt want others to see u sign? sheesh.. i dont think it will dominate the deaf markets.. Sorenson VP will continue to dominate the deaf markets for now...

09-24-2007, 12:59 PM	#36 (permalink)
NeilMcD Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 71	For what it's worth: The Small screen is a GOOD THING in my opinion. I can't tell you how many times on other videophones where people set up the screen/camera so far away that it's impossible to see them. With the Ojo, they're forced to sign clearly and to sit close to the Ojo. Personally, I love it. The phone uses very little bandwidth compared to its main competitor and in my house, we have two ojo's set up behind one firewall.

09-24-2007, 09:30 PM	#37 (permalink)
webexplorer I'm listening to everyone Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New England Posts: 4,469	Yeah, I like both Ojo and VP. It does not matter. It is too bad that Ojo does not have a flasher. An Ojo inventor is not too bright about deaf people's need. Nothing that we can do about it. The IP Address that you don't have to remember that because you can save it in your Ojo's phonebook right there. If the Ojo's new design does not come with the flasher, that will hurt us. I would return mine and insult the company, but not now. Just wait in a couple of months or one year if there is an announcement for a new one.

09-27-2007, 09:47 AM	#43 (permalink)
NeilMcD Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 71	To be fair: I should note that if you're planning to use the Ojo to make H323 calls (in other words, calls to other VPs), it will only support one Ojo since the H323 protocol only allows one VP behind the firewall. HOWEVER: you can still have as many SIP Ojos in the network but they won't be h323-enabled.

09-30-2007, 11:40 PM	#48 (permalink)
TheLucky1 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5	This is from SNAP's FAQ's FAQ - How do I receive a call on my Ojo from a VP? To receive a call from a VP or D-Link, they must dial your IP address. Your IP address is displayed on your main screen along with your Ojo number. You will see the video quality may be different when you are connected with VPs and D-Links. This is because the old technology has more limitations and internet speed requirements than the newest technology only offered by the Ojos. So the picture you see of your VP caller is only as good as his VP allows. Snap!VRS Video Relay Services \| Sign Language Telephone Communication

10-03-2007, 06:51 PM	#54 (permalink)
ismi Implanted 7/18/07 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 749	For those of you who have an Ojo, what was the wait time? I found out a few days ago that my application was accepted, but there's a long waiting list, and no one at snap seems to be able to ballpark when I might get mine.