diehardbiker

I wouldn't say it is no good. Just that there will always be problems with the system, especially with the "Location" of the orignated calls that is being made.

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ideafspy

They can find where you are only if you provide them right address. It same idea for VoIP such as Vonage require to have right addres or otherwise they are not responible for what happening.

The VoIP device has ip or mac device to use to match their system to able for 911 location where you are. So I think that is possible unless you set up VP-911.

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diehardbiker

Thats my point, do you think EVERY person would think of this and update promptly? That is why I don't think it is realiable. I read in the announcement at Sorenson website, they said it is STILL recommend using landline phone instead of using VP for 911 due to accuracy of the location.

HoHGuyOhio

The Sorenson 911 System Does Not Rely On Mac Id's Or Ip Addresses So Stop Saying That It Isn't Reliable Because You Don't Know What You're Talking About.

Dennis

A TRUE 911 SYSTEM would require NO interaction on the part of the emergency caller

Sorenson's proposed 911 system would require TWO calls on the interpreter's behalf, AND the caller has to interact with the interpreter to give them their address and other locational info.

The interpreters CANNOT look up the user's emergency info from a database or phone number, because there's no guarantee that the phone number of the VP is the same as the one where the caller is located right this moment.

True 911 calling would mean that you dial 911 on VRS and get the RIGHT emergency center with your location info for them to send help WITHOUT YOU TELLING THEM YOURSELF. You could be dying, unconscious, fighting with an intruder, disabled, immobile, or even be a hearing person who doesn't know sign when you press "Dial 911" and need to get an emergency dispatch to your location.

diehardbiker

Curious why do you raise the case on first letter of each word? You think I don't know what I am talking about? I have one abbrevate for you.... RME!

diehardbiker

This is the exact what I am concern of this. Suppose a person in panic mode, and may not think straight and not able to give out information correctly, OR worse yet, that person happen to be a visitor and had no idea of location and won't be able to give out location information. Too may flaws in there that I see already.

qwerty123

flaws or not, sorenson is the leader in 911 service over other vrs providers since march 2006

landline phones is best of all, but still can do 911 over videophone no matter what way or how you shave a cat, still the same

same location problem with VoIP

qwerty123

proposed? it is already in place since march 2006

right, what are you complaining about? this is inevitable fact. vrs users can still pass on the landline phone number or phyiscal address to the vrs interpreter, then terp pass on to the 911 center for database look up, then dispatch the public service

what more? no waiting in queue if dialed 911 on vp

simply there are too many deafies threw out or stashed away ttys. what if you pull out inch thick dust coated tty out of the drawer and flip it on, realize no power, search for outlet to plug in power adaptor, brush off dust from keyboard, roaches critting out, your futuristic phone receiver dont fit on the tty cradle, too many problems here. when the last time you used tty?

if dialed 911, bang the receiver on the table, police come out, realize you mean paramedics, add in 5 10 minutes for medics to come out. 911 on vp can do the same thing

so what the fuss about using 911 on vp when sorenson offers the service?

qwerty123

saw jay leno show last night he pulled together several STUPID 911 calls you would not believe how stupid hearing people when they called to 911

no difference or concerns here

qwerty123

bravo, bravo i give two thumbs mile high to hohguyohio.

come on, diehardbiker and dennis, what are you fussing about? still to sorenson and to hovrs?

qwerty123

right you provide the mac number at registration time with voip provider along with phyiscal address

qwerty123

let me know the results after you call 911 to non-sorenson vrs and hope its too late (heart attack, raping/robbery in progress, house burned down, etc) ok?

share with other vrs providers? why cant you share your bed with lover with me?

diehardbiker

Hey, your mistaken! I am not against Sorenson! In fact, I STILL do use their service, and I AVOIDED HOVRS because I know HOVRS allies and I don't like them. I also have two Sorenson VP-100 and two Dlink DVC-1000.

ideafspy

Right, however; I don't know how Sorenson will update our vp-100 and 200 to able reg. to our phsyical address. Hope they are working on it.

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Mookie

I would prefer to use 911 via the landline. Why? Of course, it is the fastest connection to the 911 from the TTD. The slowest connection is to use 911 via the VP. Qwerty, you knew perfectly as well.

Keep in mind that visitors are unfamiliar with 911 system via Sorenson VP so they would always dial 911 via the landline. If I am the guest at my deaf friend's residence, I may not know where the heck is VP so I dial the 911 via the simple telephone or TDD. Qwerty, use your freking common sense...

Of course, I use different VRS competitors since I knew only Sorenson VRS would take a bit longer to answer any deafie's request.

qwerty123

right on, mookie

now, the majority of TDD machines are either dead, stashed away, or not even working so would you still want to use TDD? If i were you ill just dial 911 on landline phone and use my deafy voice to request whatever service I need. ill dial 911 first, then search for TDD, if found, flick it on, if work then put phone receiver on craddle and type away the message. if they respond, ill explain what is the nature of emergency.

and using 911 on Sorenson vp will take you to the top of the queue, therefore no waiting time. get your facts straight.

for most vp users, the vp phone number is the actual landline phone number and the vrs terp can simply pass on the information name and phone number in almost real time to 911 center intrado and start talking. can request specific public service.

you know that very well

i have used 911 before, so i know what its like

qwerty123

me talk about registration for voip phones, not videophones. soreson uses intrado center
http://www.intrado.com/main/home/

Mookie

Qwerty, you may have known more info than me, Dennis, DHB. Of course, I will keep TDD in case of Internet down. Don't you know that telephone still works well without using the power? Humor me if you may have forgot to purchase an APC back-up battery for your TV, VP, Computer and moniter/LCD or laptop, modem, All-in-one printer and superwoof speakers. Trust me that you will keep your old TDD just in case…

I don’t give a damn about using my deafy squawky voice directly to the 911 dispatcher so that I can save person(s)'s life as long as they can track the call via landline or air. I wonder why you like to make fun of deaf/hard-of-hearing/speech-impaired individual using deafy voices.

I bet Sorenson VRS would record on every 911 calls and they would have to provide to any police dept for request a cop in case if any deafie probably be murdered in front of the eyes of VRS terp. Of course, the enforced investigators are interested to see on the tape instead of VRS terp's words...

Would Sorenson VRS provide the copy of 911 tapes to enforced agencies? Care to share, Mr. Know Everything...

qwerty123

what makes you think that sorenson will record the video part of the call?

dunno if they provide the 911 tapes to authorities? me sure intrado would record the voice portion, but me dunno about the video portion.

so, mookie, me not mr know everything

look like that mookie dhb dennis me did not go to nad convention in palm spring to hear sorenson 911 workshop

fact is landline phones are most sure way to reach 911 center, but with aid slowpoke tty so lets not fuss over sorenson tireless great effort to set up 911 system 911 vrs still have to manaully pass on information from caller to 911 center

ok?

Mookie

Maybe Sorenson workshop at NAD might not share whole senstive info or does not want to make scare to NAD visitors. That's exactly why you have gained more info than us...

911 dispatch center does have recording system. I am sure that Sorenson VRS firm does have recording for high authorized officials only.

Did you inquire Sorenson staff about recording calls?

Qwerty, don't forget to look for APC back-up batter for your VP in case power goes out in your region...

Dennis

I am very aware of Sorenson's proposed 911 system. I didn't need to attend a workshop where they only share what they want you to hear. I can get to know the really nitty gritty details.

Their system will entail that YOU CALL VRS, you get to the front of their 5 minute wait system. So, if you want to make a VRS call ASAP, just dial 911 and then tell the interpreter you misdialed but since you have them now just dial this other number.

With other VRS, they have their system set up so you get an interpreter right away WITHOUT dialing 911 to "get ahead" of everyone else.



You still have to interact with a VRS interpreter, and the VRS interpreter has to make 2 calls. That's a LOT of time to waste. The industry wants ONE call and that one call to be locatable. Sorenson is trying to force their solution out so that they don't have to go to the trouble of making their VPs compatible with the solution that I'm talking about. They're trying to create "buzz" that they are 911 compatible when they're really not, they just happen to say if you want to get a VRS call right away just dial 911.

When they have a way to make one call and have the VP person not say anything at all to get emergency services to where they are, THEN I'll applaud them.

Y

Verry funny about "two thumbs mile high"...


Qwerty, you have a Great sense of humor here

diehardbiker

I'm behind you with this! I would applaude if anyone come up with simplicity, and quick service without any unnecessary delay involved. I don't care who would accomplish this. If it would Sorenson, I clap my hands, If it would be HOVRS, then I'd clap too, I don't care whoever comes up. But SOME DAY... SOME DAY... there will be one! Perhaps independent VRS dedicated for 911 calls only, who knows? So, I think we all need is really a dedicated E-VRS.

Y

Then, we need to figure out about
WHO is responsible to resolve this
Deaf Communications EMERGENCY ?
FCC ? FEMA ? etc ?

IF someone says FCC, then get the
specific name of person in FCC who
is responsible for this ????

FCC is way too general. We need to
get the exact name of person in FCC
who probably got paid with very high
salary to do it rather than
let him/her get away without ever
doing anything about it at all.