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Unread 01-12-2007, 09:08 AM   #31 (permalink)
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FCC's Declaratory Ruling on IP Captioned Telephone Svc

It appears that, yesterday (1/11/07) the FCC released their declaratory ruling on IP Captioned Telephone Services (IP CTS), which in essence, means they've approved the use of the Interstate Relay Fund to pay for all IP CTS calls until they come up with a way later on to segregate the origins of calls which currently is done for Analog CTS.

It's a pretty interesting document because it has a lot of nice footnotes that provide a lot of nice-to-know detail, especially for those who, like me, are catching up to know what CTS is all about. One thing I noted was that it was suggested to the FCC that it is envisioned that folks will be able to use their computer to receive the text portion of CTS while still making a call through a regular telephone. This suggests we may no longer need to use a proprietary CapTel telephone. If true, my earlier concerns about using a Vonage fax line as a 2nd line may be OBE.

I'm also very curious about Ultratec's plans for wireless connectivity for CTS. This would be so cool for a type of communication mode (i.e., wireless cellular) that currently does not support VRS (ok, perhaps Sprint's new Rev A CDMA technology might).
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Unread 01-13-2007, 10:36 AM   #32 (permalink)
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One thing I noted was that it was suggested to the FCC that it is envisioned that folks will be able to use their computer to receive the text portion of CTS while still making a call through a regular telephone. This suggests we may no longer need to use a proprietary CapTel telephone.
I wonder how they're going to stop Nigerians from abusing the service? Perhaps they'll only allow the regular telephone to be a domestic number.
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Unread 01-13-2007, 12:12 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I'm not proud of the Captel Program. Theyre biased.

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Unread 01-13-2007, 01:19 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I wonder how they're going to stop Nigerians from abusing the service? Perhaps they'll only allow the regular telephone to be a domestic number.
Maybe CapTel may not going to provide a web interface or via IM application. Besides, I think they will have to use a VoIP/PSTN/Cellular Phone Service for voice communication including text.

I don't have any evidence for this so I can't be sure. Good question.
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I believe that CapTel over IP will open more doors including using cell phones and digital PBX phones at work using my workstation. I personal have worked with Deaf community leaders along with some deaf people at Sprint focus meetings to help make CapTel over IP possible. I am hopping that by summer we will have a more definite picture on various offerings with this service.
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Hmm...and maybe Alltel? I have a UTStarcom PPC6700 Windows Mobile Pocket PC and I'm not sure how this will work when using cell phone and be able to received captioned text at the same time through CapTel...
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I'm not proud of the Captel Program. Theyre biased.
Richard, before making accusations, give us some proof of how the CapTel program is "biased".
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I wonder how they're going to stop Nigerians from abusing the service? Perhaps they'll only allow the regular telephone to be a domestic number.
This is such a big problem as evidenced by the multitude of comments at the FCC website about IP Relay fraud problems. There are no easy answers apparently.
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There are no easy answers apparently.
I have a couple of solutions.

1) The service requires that the CapTel user has a domestic telephone number. This would keep international callers at bay, but it would not allow a CapTel user in another country to call into the US, very easily. IMHO, this is the best solution, since CapTel users cannot currently take their CapTels outside the US anyway. VRS with VCO currently works this way.

2) The service requires you to enter the serial number on your CapTel. This would only allow people with certified hearing loss or people who have paid the hefty price for a CapTel. This would keep international callers at bay, as hey cannot obtain such equipment.
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Richard, before making accusations, give us some proof of how the CapTel program is "biased".
Because theyre run by the wrong people. Theyre run by people who are biased toward ASL. Theyre predisposing the Captel program to failure.

Web based VCO's are better.

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I have a couple of solutions.

1) The service requires that the CapTel user has a domestic telephone number. This would keep international callers at bay, but it would not allow a CapTel user in another country to call into the US, very easily. IMHO, this is the best solution, since CapTel users cannot currently take their CapTels outside the US anyway. VRS with VCO currently works this way.

2) The service requires you to enter the serial number on your CapTel. This would only allow people with certified hearing loss or people who have paid the hefty price for a CapTel. This would keep international callers at bay, as hey cannot obtain such equipment.
3) Allow only US IP addresses to connect. Block proxies, including Tor, as the issue arises.
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Because theyre run by the wrong people. Theyre run by people who are biased toward ASL. Theyre predisposing the Captel program to failure.
Richard, who are these people you claim to be "the wrong people"? If you're going to make these statements, then you need to cite your sources. If these people are biased toward ASL, then how come the CapTel introduction and getting started videos are not signed? I was somewhat surprized that the videos were not signed, but then I realized that CapTel is for people who are hard-of-hearing, oral deaf and latened deafened. If they posessed Sign Language skills, then the would use VRS, because VRS with VCO gives you residual speech, language and expression. CapTel cannot provide expression. Also, CapTel is the only relay service the FCC exempts from operators being required to know ASL. You cannot have typewritten ASL captions on CapTel.
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Web based VCO's are better.
Do any web–based VCO allow text at the same speed CapTel does? No, none do. Do any web–based VCO allow you to use one line for VCO? No, they all require two lines. Have you so far provided any evidence whatsoever that web–based VCO is better than CapTel? No, so far you provided none whatsoever.
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3) Allow only US IP addresses to connect. Block proxies, including Tor, as the issue arises.
Allowing only US IP addresses would not solve the problem, as you can use an IP anonymizer. Also, there should be no proxy block, because many American companies use proxies.
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Allowing only US IP addresses would not solve the problem, as you can use an IP anonymizer. Also, there should be no proxy block, because many American companies use proxies.
Sorry, I meant block problem proxies/IPs as they come up. That takes care of the anonymizer issue. There really is no way to block NATs, though, which I think is what you mean when you say "Many American companies use proxies", and that's fine.
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Sorry, I meant block problem proxies/IPs as they come up. That takes care of the anonymizer issue. There really is no way to block NATs, though, which I think is what you mean when you say "Many American companies use proxies", and that's fine.
That doesn't solve the problem, though, and I wasn't talking about NAT. Some companies use a proxies that masks a true IP address, and IP anonymizers forge the IP, so IP blocking wouldn't really help.
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As a Vonage account holder at home, I recently requested Ultratec to consider my request to be a beta tester of the IP-based Captel telephone, and hope to be invited to do so. It is exciting to explore new technologies.

In the meantime, thanks to Taric25's suggestion, I am thinking of requesting a two-line CapTel for work usage in parallel with my ISDN-based VRS polycom system. What a setup that'll be!

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I just called for Captel, they are sending me a application....
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