diehardbiker

Scam artist favorite trick is what?


DISTRACTION!!!!

Often Scam artist would attempt to distract you in many ways and make u fall for it. Excellent examples are, pictures of somebody with flashy cash, and checks, lavish background, etc... They are sure-fire red flag!!!! Reason for this is to encourage you NOT to think seriously about mathematic realities. If you ignore the picture and carefully using calculator, you will be able see for yourself!

Another good example that have been going on lately is legal looking IRS letterhead in e mail demanding your personal information or you will pay penalty, this is excellent distraction because they would go in panic mode and fall for it. The best way is to back off, and contact IRS though their well known phone number which can be found in white pages, or local IRS office, walk in there and ask for verification. That way, you won't get trapped.

What I see in CF is too many red flags! Way Way Way Way too obviously. But too bad many people fall for it and lost dearly!

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EagleCherokee63

You don't understand about my picture because My sk2 picture are limit. It not work larger! Please understand! Thanks! if you not accepted with me then fine with me. It your plm!

lumbingmi

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deafaslman

that i have experince that though it and i got email from *********** and is not scam that is real one i have you have to ccopy and paste that you are need to proof that is real that i had got *********** is real and legal that is real one i have one that simple to make you all of them is prove that is legal i got from club freedom i ahve experince for long time 61 yrs that is real since 1946 that is real not scam
i had seen many many deaf got cash all of usa and all over over 95,000 deaf got them
copy and paste this letter http://***********.biz/terms.php

VamPyroX

And... you joined just to say this?

Can you show us ALL of the documents showing that it works?

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lumbingmi

And link doesnt even works at all. WTF

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Of course, the link includes a banned term that's been filtered out by AllDeaf.

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heavensign

serveal people asking me about it , i didnt join it yet . but i think too much for 200.00 , some people already join it and some people believe will get 6,000and dont trust them ask for debit card number , cuz i am afraid they will take it out of acct and profit the money for their self , they can steal it . dont try give it out to them ... keep it safe for your self ...

VamPyroX

You don't need to spend money to make money.

If you had to spend money to make money, then the obvious wealth of the seller is due to the gullible people who paid him for the program.

I could make up my own money-making program and sell it to deaf people for $20. Sure, it sounds cheap... but it only costs me $5 to create the materials (or free if it's a website to be a member of). That's $15 to $20 profit per person.

According to the National Center for Health Statistics, a little over 15% of the United States consider themselves 'deaf'.

According to the CIA, the United States recently arrived to a population of 300,000,000.

According to the Internet World Stats, there over 69% of the United States are internet users.

A small percentage of the United States are overly gullible, so let's say it's 5%.

Suppose only half of the internet users actually see my advertisement.

Now, let's do the math.

15% of 300,000,000 equals to 45,000,000 people who consider themselves deaf.

5% of 45,000,000 equals to 2,250,000 gullible people who consider themselves deaf.

69% of 2,250,000 equals to 1,552,500 gullible people who consider themselves deaf and use the internet.

Half of 1,552,500 equals to 776,250 gullible people who consider themselves deaf, use the internet, and are likely to read my advertisement.

776,250 people pay me $15 to $20 for my money-making program. That's $3,881,250 for me!

Once the first 10,000 people pay me $5... I now have a sports car to show off in the rest of my programs... making people more gullible.

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rockdrummer

Like I said... There is a sucker born everyday. I'm not sure how much more objective proof you need. Of course Club Freedom is going to say they are legal and not a scam. It's just another pyramid. I can't understand why some of you don't see that. The proof is looking you straight in the face.

lumbingmi

They can't help it. After all, human need a hope in one way or other. Without it, we have no point to continue in our life.

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diehardbiker

This thread got moot point! I won't be surprised within 2 years from now, all of these who claimed it is legit will go into complete silence mode with humilation and can't even speak out because they are gullible suckers! This only gives scam artist chance to start something else to con the suckers in future because these gullible suckers won't admit after all.

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VamPyroX

The reason why these scam artists get away with it is because they do have fine print in their contracts and people don't always read the details.

Let's take this for example...

You and I are sitting at a table. You claim you're good at making quarters stand up on their own. So, I offer to pay you a dime for every quarter you stand up. Would you take the offer?

If yes, you manage to stand up 20 quarters. How much would you get from me. Yes, I'm serious... I would be willing to give you a dime for every quarter you stand up.

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shel90

Oh well..iam one of them so go ahead and bash me for being stupid to fall for CDT. Iam human and I make mistakes. let the bashing come on!!!!

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diehardbiker

Its not the point of bashing. Our point is to EDUCATE yourself! If you can't educate yourself, your going to fall for it no matter what! Smart people learns from their mistakes and admit, and not making the same mistakes, stupid people deny that they made mistakes, and thinks trying again will return better result, in reality the results pretty much the same as shown in history!

I am not interesting in bashing anyone, all I am interested in let people be AWARE, and not fall into victim.

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shel90

Awwww..u r sweet! I have a very very sarcastic sense of humor but seriously if people want to say "I told u so!!!" to me about CDT I will welcome it. I will admit it was a lesson learned which is why I refuse to join Club Freedom cuz I am not stupid to fall for it more than once!!!

Anyone pls keep in mind..iam not the kind of person to take a lot of things seripously so if u hav a justifiedable reason to bash me about CDT, I will accept your bashings and not be upset about it cuz I MADE a mistake!!! iam not crying over it..just like.".oh wow...I learned a lesson and move on."

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IcedTeaRulz

Yep, I agree!

webexplorer

I think that MLM is a sort of a scam, and I assume that it is a legal for most states. Most businesses run a MLM. MLM stands for Multi-Level Marketing or network marketing. It is very common nowaday.

It usually charge you about 200 bucks to startup - i.e. books, many brochures for customers, and a video tape. This money split between you, your seller ("boss"), and the company. You make 1/3 (?) of profit and 2/3 goes to the company and the "boss" seller. The company and the "boss" seller make more money than you. If a new seller is under you, you will make more money than this seller, but the company double profit, etc...

One thing that I do not understand about IRS tax for this MLM. I used to work for a MLM a long time ago, and it was too expensive for me to buy something because some people cannot afford to buy it.

I am sure that both of Club Freedom and Quixtar are related to MLM businesses. I consider that it is a risk to work for the MLM because it could do anything happen if they shut you off or make you give it up in order to make more profit. That's my opinion.

SxyPorkie

Hey.... you are not only one who made mistakes... You are only a human... I do make mistakes.... HUGZ...

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VamPyroX

Yep!

If it was done through mail, then that would be mail fraud.

There is one old MLM done through mail that is considered illegal. What you do is have a program that's 4 pages long. Each page is worth $5. When you receive the original letter explaining how it works, it will contain 4 names and address on the bottom. Each person on the list has each page of the full program. The instructions are as follows...

1.) You mail $5 to each person on the list.
2.) You re-type the letter, but...
3.) Remove person & address from #4 on the list.
4.) Move person & address from #3 to #4, #2 to #3, and #1 to #2.
5.) Add your name and address as #1.
6.) Distribute copies of that new letter to others (family members, friends, co-workers, etc.).

Person #1 will send you the 1st page. Person #2 will send you the second page. Et cetra... Et cetra...

Now, you have all 4 pages ready to sell.

When people who have your letter mail $5 to each person on the list, you will be receiving the $5 and mailing out copies of the 1st page. When they follow the instructions, your name will be moved from #1 to #2. After they distribute their new letters and other people follow the instructions, you will receive $5 for the 2nd page. The whole cycle repeats until you are removed from the list as #4.

Let's say that the response rate is 10% and you send out the letter to 100 people, 10 people will participate.

10 people will pay you $5... earning you $50.

When those 10 people do the same thing, they will get 10 responses and you will get 100 responses... earning you $500.

When those 10 per 10 people do the same thing, they will get the 10 responses and you will get 1,000 responses... earning you $5,000.

When those 10 per 10 per 10 people do the same thing, they will ge the 10 responses and you will get 10,000 responses... earning you $50,000.

After that, you have earned a total of $55,550 and your name will have been removed from the list.

Of course, you would have had to spend approximately ($500 for copies, $500 for envelopes, $4,000 for stamps) $5,000 for materials. That leave you a profit of over $50,000.

They say that this MLM is legal because you are actually selling money-making materials and resources. However, the whole process lacks proper legal terms and is easily abused. So, it's considered illegal.

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rockdrummer

no no Shel... I am not here to bash anyone. Only to help and speak the truth about it. To those of you that are involved I would only suggest to cut your losses and get out before you give any more money to them. Hell, we all make mistakes. I got caught up in Amway at one point in my life. It's where I learned about MLM and pyramid schemes. Fool me once, shame on you... Fool me twice.. shame on me.

rockdrummer

Good one Vampy. You would profit 15 cents and he would loose 15 cents for each quarter. Good point though. Most people would take that offer thinking they would get a dime for each quarter they stood up not knowing they would have to give up the quarter.

VamPyroX

Smart boy!

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shel90

That's why when people asked me to join CF, I said no cuz I wasnt going to go around spending money on different businesses. I would only risk my money once and that was it. So that was what happened. Many of my friends joined Quixtar, CF, and CDT at the same time. My brother is thinking of joining both and I keep telling him no so see if he listens to me.

I was being silly about telling people that I deserved a bashing.

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shel90

Awww thanks! Yea, I made a mistake but I am glad that I learned from it and not repeat the same mistake again like some people I know.

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damizu76

Why is everyone talking about check check of the CF? You will not getting a check. You will be getting e-wallet (debit) card. If you are not will power to believe in CF then don't joining the CF. If you believe in CF then you have to find a good teamwork than idling team. It will not work if your team is just sitting idling. So I'm just sitting tight and wait. So Prove me wrong that I'm saying it is not a scam. CF is lot of work to success.

PePe LePew

You have no right to judge me and I'am not mean person, You do not know me, you do not live next door to me, nor you do not lives in my shoes, nor we do not grow up together, never never judge anyone saying he or she is mean, you cannot see me in person in real life, onlys God knows who is mean and who is not...

I'am a good person with a big heart, actually you really hurt my feeling by saying I'm a mean person plus telling me I needs some therapy, well let me tell you something, why wasn't I in therapy along time ago which I'am now 40 years old, nobody in my family say anything about me needing a therapy nor counseling ever since I was growing up, they said I was pretty normal nothing is wrong with me...

You do not have the right to judge me, including telling me what to do by saying I need some therapy, this insult you made on me is wrong....

By the way are you hearing, deaf or hard of hearing, most of the time people who are deaf or hard of hearing do not meerly understand deaf cultures or hard of hearing cultures, and of course everyone grammers are different and everyone misunderstand everyone very easily needs to be careful what they says and you should not even tell me I needs therapy nor say I'm mean, you don't tell people that you can upset them or emotionally hurt them....

I wouldn't never say to you in here and write you are mean or you needs therapy, or are you Licensed Certified Therapy ? If not, then you don't have the right to say that to me like that, it's wrong and unkinds!

PePe LePew

I went to the ASL EXPO last weekend Saturday 7th in Indianapolis, Indiana, well I saw the Club Freedom and the people there were real, they explained clearly what Club Freedom is about and it's Real...

The problem is None of us takes the time to studies this Club Freedom...

Many misunderstand and thinks it's a scams and it's not...

Onlys reason why everyone thinks it's a scams, is because they were not doing anything to make money, When you puts down $200.00, that does not means you will get alots of money IMMEDIATELY, everyone got the whole shtick all misunderstanding...
You have to be patient you have to works harder to make alots of money, you do not just sits there and wait for the money to come, this is not about a MIARCLE about to HAPPEN...

You have to works for it to make the money, not sitting there and do nothing, you have to puts in the investment to make the money in a teams, but not alone, it takes time to make the money and everyone expecting alots of money Right Away are wrong, you have to works harder to make the money...

This is not a Scams, we met the real people who works for Club Freedom and I have the lady's VP phone number, she's experienced Club Freedom, So if you wants her VP phone number let me know ...

But I have enjoy the ASL EXPO, it was so much fun and a great experiences to see many different business set up there, pretty cool, goin' again this summer and fall!

EagleCherokee63

rockdrummer

Look PePe, I dont know what I said that set you off but please understand my intention here is not to get into an argument with anyone on a personal level. I am meerly here to try and help by stating the truth about Club Freedom and that its a scam. I don't want to see anyone getting sucked into this and throw away their hard earned money. That's all. I apologize for anything that I said to you in voicing my opinions that may have hurt your feelings. My comments were only based on what appeared to be your anger towards me. I still am not sure what set you off but at this point it really doesn't matter. I don't want to take away from the focus of this thread. For the record I am hearing with a profoundly deaf child. I do understand deaf culture and I also understand the differences in grammer from some individuals and would never judge a person based on either. My opinions about you only came from your comments and the apparant anger you have towards me. Peace!!