Deaf School or Oral School? - Page 7

**GrendelQ** · 10-07-2011, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

Just a notice: This question has not been answered.

Put it in where? I didn't change the quote at all?

posts from hell · 10-07-2011, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

Put it in where? I didn't change the quote at all?

What you said. I included it in that post.

**GrendelQ** · 10-07-2011, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

What you said. I included it in that post.

Where are you saying I "put in" oral? I didn't add anything to the quote you included.

nancyj · 10-07-2011, 08:21 PM

well I went to CFSD today and loved it!!!!

CrazyPaul · 10-07-2011, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by nancyj

well I went to CFSD today and loved it!!!!

I am glad to hear that. I'd like to know why you loved it. Don't you mind to explain it just a little? Did you bring your cute little girl there? If so, how did she react even though she's still a baby?

posts from hell · 10-07-2011, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

Where are you saying I "put in" oral? I didn't add anything to the quote you included.

In that post I also quoted you saying oral and provided a cnp of the goal then asked you a question. I think it is very clear.

Deaf School or Oral School?

Linked for your fancy.

nancyj · 10-07-2011, 09:48 PM

@Crazypaul yes I took her with me. The interpreter kept saying how she looked as if she understood everything. Everyone commented on how observant she is. I liked how the classes are small and the kids get the attention they need from the teachers. I liked that there was a teachers aide in everyclass. I also liked the fact that they do both oral and ASL. We don't live in their district so we can't do their early start class but we can drop into a few group play sessions...She can start there as soon as she is 3 if that is what i choose for her.

posts from hell · 10-08-2011, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by nancyj

@Crazypaul yes I took her with me. The interpreter kept saying how she looked as if she understood everything. Everyone commented on how observant she is. I liked how the classes are small and the kids get the attention they need from the teachers. I liked that there was a teachers aide in everyclass. I also liked the fact that they do both oral and ASL. We don't live in their district so we can't do their early start class but we can drop into a few group play sessions...She can start there as soon as she is 3 if that is what i choose for her.

She's observant? At a young age? Must be a natural thing... Nature at its finest.

deafdyke · 10-09-2011, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by nancyj

@Crazypaul yes I took her with me. The interpreter kept saying how she looked as if she understood everything. Everyone commented on how observant she is. I liked how the classes are small and the kids get the attention they need from the teachers. I liked that there was a teachers aide in everyclass. I also liked the fact that they do both oral and ASL. We don't live in their district so we can't do their early start class but we can drop into a few group play sessions...She can start there as soon as she is 3 if that is what i choose for her.

OMG that would be AMAZING!!!!!! I would strongly strongly reccomend sending her for preschool/kindergarten and maybe even first and second grades, so she gets a solid Deaf Ed base. Deaf ed is kind of underutlized by hoh kids....but it's PERFECT for them. You will NOT find a better educational early intervention program in the mainstream. They'll get speech therapy from a speech therapist who is very experianced with how to teach dhh kids.....and I think b/c of that she will respond VERY WELL to speech therapy, instead of having speech from a clueless mainstream speech therapist. She'll also have the advantage of ASL AND Deaf Ed! Hoh kids CAN benifit from Deaf Ed.

**GrendelQ** · 10-09-2011, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by nancyj

@Crazypaul yes I took her with me. The interpreter kept saying how she looked as if she understood everything. Everyone commented on how observant she is. I liked how the classes are small and the kids get the attention they need from the teachers. I liked that there was a teachers aide in everyclass. I also liked the fact that they do both oral and ASL. We don't live in their district so we can't do their early start class but we can drop into a few group play sessions...She can start there as soon as she is 3 if that is what i choose for her.

Hello! That seems excellent, nancyj! I didn't know they combined ASL & oral. Is that unique to the early education program or how their curriculum is structured throughout the grades? I wonder if that's the direction bilingual schools are taking.

One thing you might try: we were able to transfer our early intervention services to an out of district school on the basis of language: we wanted an ASL-based parent infant program and language development services. And so we switched what's called catchment areas here to one well over an hour away. It took a bit of discussion, but only because they had no precedent. They had no way to provide ASL services otherwise, so was the logical approach. Maybe you could do the same and begin at csdf now? Between now and 3 is such a critical period for language development -- great time to expose your child to fluent models.

nancyj · 10-09-2011, 01:40 PM

I will look into that GrendelQ, She is in an early start program now but they are teaching her SEE sign.

posts from hell · 10-09-2011, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by nancyj

I will look into that GrendelQ, She is in an early start program now but they are teaching her SEE sign.

To clarify - This is your current school district correct?

posts from hell · 10-09-2011, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

Hello! That seems excellent, nancyj! I didn't know they combined ASL & oral. Is that unique to the early education program or how their curriculum is structured throughout the grades? I wonder if that's the direction bilingual schools are taking.

Just a heads up - Fremont would be the last place to go oral. When she said that, I understood what she was talking about.

AlleyCat · 10-09-2011, 02:23 PM

And, oy. SEE ?

Sunshine · 10-09-2011, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

And, oy. SEE ?

I cringe at SEE too.

posts from hell · 10-09-2011, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

And, oy. SEE ?

The poster is aware of that, at least.

Deafguy25 · 10-09-2011, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by nancyj

@Crazypaul yes I took her with me. The interpreter kept saying how she looked as if she understood everything. Everyone commented on how observant she is. I liked how the classes are small and the kids get the attention they need from the teachers. I liked that there was a teachers aide in everyclass. I also liked the fact that they do both oral and ASL. We don't live in their district so we can't do their early start class but we can drop into a few group play sessions...She can start there as soon as she is 3 if that is what i choose for her.

What exactly do you mean? Speech therapy? Or do they use and teach spoken English?

AlleyCat · 10-09-2011, 05:18 PM

I now see what everybody else is questioning about you.

I'm starting to think I don't believe for a minute that you're deaf or come from a deaf family. Even you wouldn't ask the above question. Cuz if you were, you wouldn't have asked.

Deafguy25 · 10-09-2011, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

I now see what everybody else is questioning about you.

I'm starting to think I don't believe for a minute that you're deaf or come from a deaf family. Even you wouldn't ask the above question. Cuz if you were, you wouldn't have asked.

Why? I didn't go to CSDF. I was mainstreamed. I am not familiar with what CSD looks like right now. I know that the demographics are changing in all Deaf schools. Look at TLC or MSD for example. They are bi-bi, but they use spoken language in the classroom not just in speech therapy. I was wondering if Freemont was starting a program like that. What is offensive about that?

**shel90** · 10-09-2011, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Deafguy25

What exactly do you mean? Speech therapy? Or do they use and teach spoken English?

speech adn spoken English are the same. They are using English in the spoken form. No difference between the both.

Deafguy25 · 10-09-2011, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

speech adn spoken English are the same. They are using English in the spoken form. No difference between the both.

I'm sorry, I meant "speech therapy" as in pull out, one on one therapy and "spoken English" as being part of the class.

posts from hell · 10-09-2011, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Deafguy25

Why? I didn't go to CSDF. I was mainstreamed. I am not familiar with what CSD looks like right now. I know that the demographics are changing in all Deaf schools. Look at TLC or MSD for example. They are bi-bi, but they use spoken language in the classroom not just in speech therapy. I was wondering if Freemont was starting a program like that. What is offensive about that?

lol @ the use of word "offensive"

Just curious - since my avatar represents me, it says "pain in the ass". Isn't that avatar of yours a puppet?

**shel90** · 10-09-2011, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Deafguy25

I'm sorry, I meant "speech therapy" as in pull out, one on one therapy and "spoken English" as being part of the class.

Oh I see...got it.

posts from hell · 10-09-2011, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Oh I see...got it.

Yup, thats why I left the hint to Grendel.

Frisky Feline · 10-09-2011, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

I now see what everybody else is questioning about you.

I'm starting to think I don't believe for a minute that you're deaf or come from a deaf family. Even you wouldn't ask the above question. Cuz if you were, you wouldn't have asked.

I am thinking the same thing. it is so unusual for me to see like this kind of going on.

deafdyke · 10-09-2011, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

Hello! That seems excellent, nancyj! I didn't know they combined ASL & oral. Is that unique to the early education program or how their curriculum is structured throughout the grades? I wonder if that's the direction bilingual schools are taking.

One thing you might try: we were able to transfer our early intervention services to an out of district school on the basis of language: we wanted an ASL-based parent infant program and language development services. And so we switched what's called catchment areas here to one well over an hour away. It took a bit of discussion, but only because they had no precedent. They had no way to provide ASL services otherwise, so was the logical approach. Maybe you could do the same and begin at csdf now? Between now and 3 is such a critical period for language development -- great time to expose your child to fluent models.

If that's the direction that bilingal schools are taking, I think that might actually increase enrollment a bit. I know that some parents have said that while they're not anti ASL, they still would like their kids to have spoken English opperunties.
And yes, Grendel a lot of placement decisions are very politicl....you have to know how to use the system. A lot of parents aren't even told about the option of a Deaf School placement.....you know, they're just told that "oh all there is available is the traditional dhh public school programs.

**shel90** · 10-09-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by deafdyke

If that's the direction that bilingal schools are taking, I think that might actually increase enrollment a bit. I know that some parents have said that while they're not anti ASL, they still would like their kids to have spoken English opperunties.
And yes, Grendel a lot of placement decisions are very politicl....you have to know how to use the system. A lot of parents aren't even told about the option of a Deaf School placement.....you know, they're just told that "oh all there is available is the traditional dhh public school programs.

As much I think having speech skills can be useful but it seems like it still takes priority over ASL. Like suppose the programs dont offer any speech services, would the parents be willing to allow their children be bilingual in ASL and English WITHOUT speech skills? In my honest opinion...no. I think they would say, "Screw that program..I would find an oral only program over that."

deafdyke · 10-09-2011, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

As much I think having speech skills can be useful but it seems like it still takes priority over ASL. Like suppose the programs dont offer any speech services, would the parents be willing to allow their children be bilingual in ASL and English WITHOUT speech skills? In my honest opinion...no. I think they would say, "Screw that program..I would find an oral only program over that."

Oh yeah I agree. When I advocate for speech, I mean to do so in a context where there's good quality spoken language services, but ALSO ASL.
It would be like me advocating for say Braille for low vision kids, but ALSO encouraging large print and other low vision aids. Virtually all kids can stronly benifit from a mix of approaches.

Deafguy25 · 10-09-2011, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

lol @ the use of word "offensive"

Just curious - since my avatar represents me, it says "pain in the ass". Isn't that avatar of yours a puppet?

Action figure

Deafguy25 · 10-09-2011, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

As much I think having speech skills can be useful but it seems like it still takes priority over ASL. Like suppose the programs dont offer any speech services, would the parents be willing to allow their children be bilingual in ASL and English WITHOUT speech skills? In my honest opinion...no. I think they would say, "Screw that program..I would find an oral only program over that."

Yeah, I think most likely they would.

So what can we do about it? Can Deaf educators make Deaf schools more appealing to hearing parents so that more deaf kids will get the opportunity to have ASL?

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nancyj Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 46	@Crazypaul yes I took her with me. The interpreter kept saying how she looked as if she understood everything. Everyone commented on how observant she is. I liked how the classes are small and the kids get the attention they need from the teachers. I liked that there was a teachers aide in everyclass. I also liked the fact that they do both oral and ASL. We don't live in their district so we can't do their early start class but we can drop into a few group play sessions...She can start there as soon as she is 3 if that is what i choose for her. deafdyke likes this.

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nancyj Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 46	I will look into that GrendelQ, She is in an early start program now but they are teaching her SEE sign.

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AlleyCat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my time zone Posts: 10,809	And, oy. SEE ?

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AlleyCat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my time zone Posts: 10,809	I now see what everybody else is questioning about you. I'm starting to think I don't believe for a minute that you're deaf or come from a deaf family. Even you wouldn't ask the above question. Cuz if you were, you wouldn't have asked.