Duggars Family... When Will It End? - Page 2

Angel · 06-21-2007, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Aleser

I don't see why people are picking on that family. Their children are clothed, fed, and happy. They might be seen as "sheltered" but nobody is going out and attacking the countless -other- christian homeschooling families, just because they have less children. If you can support your kids well, which they clearly can, it's your own choice how many to have. If for you birth control is not something you can validate based on your religion, who am I to tell you to toss aside your morals and use birth control just because the thought of having that many children makes -me- uncomfortable?

...IF their children weren't fed, clothed or doesn't have a roof over their heads then sure I would have said something about this but this wasn't the case, so I'm happy for the family, and I think they have done a wonderful job rasing these children, they seem to be a very happy family...

I hate it when people judge them like this just because they have so many children, so what , why worry about them when they're not even your children ( speaking generally here

)...

Liebling:-))) · 06-21-2007, 06:00 AM

My main reason is against Bob & Michelle Duggar because I beleive it's their own responsiblity to raise the children if they really want to have a lot of children, not just breed the more babies and then give their children to raise their siblings.

LakeTahoe · 06-21-2007, 06:19 AM

Maybe they'll stop till the "J" names runs out?

They got then names from the Bible. I believe maybe by the 20th they may be stop. Or wait till Michelle reach menopauses since she is now in early 40's.

Aleser · 06-21-2007, 06:23 AM

Liebling:-))), a family should involve the children helping out.. You give and you take. Taking care of their siblings helps them both be prepared for their future families as well as develop a sense of responsibility. Parents shouldn't just slave away while their kids sit on a couch. The mother already clearly devotes all her time to caring for them and also teaches them all. That many children -is- a small classroom, a full time job in itself.

Angel · 06-21-2007, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

My main reason is against Bob & Michelle Duggar because I beleive it's their own responsiblity to raise the children if they really want to have a lot of children, not just breed the more babies and then give their children to raise their siblings.

My oldest son sometimes babysit my little one, and isn't sibling/families suppose to help each others? it not like I'm asking my son to raise him or anything...

Angel · 06-21-2007, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Aleser

Liebling:-))), a family should involve the children helping out.. You give and you take. Taking care of their siblings helps them both be prepared for their future families as well as develop a sense of responsibility. Parents shouldn't just slave away while their kids sit on a couch. The mother already clearly devotes all her time to caring for them and also teaches them all. That many children -is- a small classroom, a full time job in itself.

:nods:...That's correct....

Liebling:-))) · 06-21-2007, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel

My oldest son sometimes babysit my little one, and isn't sibling/families suppose to help each others? it not like I'm asking my son to raise him or anything...

All the time in everyday?

Babysit and Raise the children are not the same thing.

I do not against babysit because it dont' do that all the time in everyday.

I do ask my oldest son to watch his youngest brother for couple of hours for any emergency sometimes, not all the time and everyday like Duggars... I don't want to expect too much from them... but I would be happy for their support, not expect them to do for me...

Angel · 06-21-2007, 06:36 AM

Oh no not everyday, I meant by helping out, sometimes children needs to help their mom and dad around the house, that's inculde helping their brothers and sisters out, but that doesn't mean that the parents are asking their children to raise their brother or sister...

Liebling:-))) · 06-21-2007, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Aleser

Liebling:-))), a family should involve the children helping out.. You give and you take. Taking care of their siblings helps them both be prepared for their future families as well as develop a sense of responsibility. Parents shouldn't just slave away while their kids sit on a couch. The mother already clearly devotes all her time to caring for them and also teaches them all. That many children -is- a small classroom, a full time job in itself.

I beleive it's parent's responsible to raise their own children, not give their children with adult responsiblity to raise their siblings. If I want 6 or 10 children then is my responsible, not my children because it's me who choose to breed a lot of children, not my children.

Let the children to learn their own experiences and chores etc... They learn how to help/support each other, not expect too much from them... If I need a help then ask them... , not all the time like Duggars... Choose the clothes for their children, etc... Remember, their children don't born their siblings, but the parents... This is a difference.

It's plenty of time for the children to enjoy their experiences first. I think it's too young for the children to take adult responsible to raise their siblings for their parents.

It look like that you expect the children to do for you because you are not slave for them... wow... I don't born them to worker or caretaker or be parent for my children but my wish children. It's parent's job to raise/educate them with responsiblity development to learn what right or wrong. I really never thought to be slave because I enjoy myself to be parent because they are my wish children. All what I want to see them to enjoy their experiences, education, etc and learn and collect their own experiences and share our experiences.... It's about learn and respect...

Liebling:-))) · 06-21-2007, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel

Oh no not everyday, I meant by helping out, sometimes children needs to help their mom and dad around the house, that's inculde helping their brothers and sisters out, but that doesn't mean that the parents are asking their children to raise their brother or sister...

Yes, I see no problem for that because I do the same but Duggars did to their children total different. I would suggest you to read their websites. Their children didn't have much life but work for their parents all the time... where is their OWN life then? Where's their own experiences? Accord their websites, Michelle & Bob talked about their own dream and never talk about children's dream. They do what they want for their own children... It's their own dream, where is children's dream?

Aleser · 06-21-2007, 06:54 AM

I don't expect anything from my future children cos I wont have any. I'm part of the younger members of our (VERY) large family who think it's time to take measurable action against the spread of genetic disorders- which involves not having children cos many of us (3/4) are CF carriers.

Cheri · 06-21-2007, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Aleser

Liebling:-))), a family should involve the children helping out.. You give and you take. Taking care of their siblings helps them both be prepared for their future families as well as develop a sense of responsibility. Parents shouldn't just slave away while their kids sit on a couch. The mother already clearly devotes all her time to caring for them and also teaches them all. That many children -is- a small classroom, a full time job in itself.

I agree totally, that's what families are for, helping, giving and supporting each others.

Lil_country_gal · 06-21-2007, 10:15 AM

Well acording to the duggars and i heard them say this they believe that god will only give them as many children as they can handle. The older siblings don't look to hate it they seem to be one happy family. My sister who is 10 years older than me took care of me alot since our parents were never arond alot because of working so hard

Dark-Half · 06-21-2007, 12:02 PM

Lets start a bet pool on which # they'll stop by any means. Roflmfao. 50% of the bet money would go to charity! I'd imagine it'd get pretty fucking large pot and possibly nobody would ever get paid off for like...omg years?

Lil_country_gal · 06-21-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark-Half

Lets start a bet pool on which # they'll stop by any means. Roflmfao. 50% of the bet money would go to charity! I'd imagine it'd get pretty fucking large pot and possibly nobody would ever get paid off for like...omg years?

Why would it be so cool to bet money on peoples lives? so they have 17 kids they are a happier and more organized family than most of the family's i know.

cathartes · 07-14-2007, 02:37 PM

[quote=Angel;794265\ but that doesn't mean that the parents are asking their children to raise their brother or sister...[/QUOTE]

But that's exactly what they are doing. The siblings *ARE* expected to practically raise a younger sibling. I forget the "cutesy" term they used.. what they do is assign(their word!) a weaned baby to a sibling to clothe, feed, watch after, carry around etc. A baby is imposed on another kid.

A baby is not a pet for a child to "learn responsibility" from. There's a huge difference between helping the family out and being forced to take on care of a younger sibling as a pseudo-parent of sorts.

Ma Duggar deliberately weans her infants early so her menstrual cycle can begin again sooner than later. They're members of Full Quiver a religious sect who believes babies are literally from god and he will make a woman pregnant as many or few times as he wishes. So, no birth control in any way for members of Full Quiver.

Therefore she will keep on producing babies until she hits menopause. It won't be by hitting a certain number or some kind of reasoning like that. They just simply don't see sex as making babies in a way.

GalaxyAngel · 07-14-2007, 04:25 PM

I do not care what they are doing.. as long they are happily family.. go for it.. Not my business...

I'd rather care myself focus on my family lifestyle and budget importances things sort it out... doesn't want part of alike The duggar family. The Duggar family are happy or sad lifestyle.. as long not our problem their own way preferences.. That okay.

Really not need to be judge their lifestyles..

Peachy Lady · 07-14-2007, 05:05 PM

Also, it's not as if children are always "working." They get things done a lot faster when each person has its own chores to do. The children do get alot of free time because each person do own chores. I think what they're doing are great. If I have that many children I would do the same what Duggar family do. If I am left to do everything and let children have all the free time, I probably won't live long. The older children get to learn early what it's like to be big brother or big sister and have real world idea of what being a parents would be like in their future.

Each ADers have its own opinion so no one is right or wrong...smile

Liebling:-))) · 07-14-2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cathartes

There's a huge difference between helping the family out and being forced to take on care of a younger sibling as a pseudo-parent of sorts.

Opal · 07-15-2007, 12:58 AM

Read in my magazine showing some photo's of these family, they are doing great - living in a beautiful dining room.

They are doing well.

Angel · 07-15-2007, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cathartes

But that's exactly what they are doing. The siblings *ARE* expected to practically raise a younger sibling. I forget the "cutesy" term they used.. what they do is assign(their word!) a weaned baby to a sibling to clothe, feed, watch after, carry around etc. A baby is imposed on another kid.

A baby is not a pet for a child to "learn responsibility" from. There's a huge difference between helping the family out and being forced to take on care of a younger sibling as a pseudo-parent of sorts.

Ma Duggar deliberately weans her infants early so her menstrual cycle can begin again sooner than later. They're members of Full Quiver a religious sect who believes babies are literally from god and he will make a woman pregnant as many or few times as he wishes. So, no birth control in any way for members of Full Quiver.

Therefore she will keep on producing babies until she hits menopause. It won't be by hitting a certain number or some kind of reasoning like that. They just simply don't see sex as making babies in a way.

So? Amish people have many children too, they often make errands, help their parents and sibling around the house, I don't see a plm with that....There are so many varieties families out there that has many children and they raise their children the way see fits...why making such judgements on how many children they have, or whether or not their children are rasing their siblings?..

Peachy Lady · 07-15-2007, 01:20 PM

I agree with u, Angel! If they're happy family, let it be...smile My great grandparents on both sides had many many children and they helped each other chores. After the children married and left parents home, they stayed close-knit for the rest of their lives, no matter where they live. They have bonded because they helped each other growing up. My children have their own chores. They clean their bedrooms, take turns to clean up bathroom, help with dishes, sweep floor, wash clothes, etc. They are part of the family and help each other. No, I do not make them do everything while I do nothing. They are good at what they do and know that when they're on their own, they will not have problem keeping their own places clean. Their bedrooms do get messy at times and that's when I ask them to clean their rooms. They're normal children...smile My children are very close bonded with me and my husband...they kept telling us that we are the best parents in whole wide world. I make good meals for them and they tell me that I'm the best chef. I make more than half the meals from scratch and fresh fruit/vegs because I have more time to cook. They're very happy at home cuz they get lots of love as well.

If other parents prefer to do all the chores, that's their decision and nothing wrong with that, but the result is more tired parents.

Angel · 07-15-2007, 04:39 PM

^

@ PL, I agreed...

Cheri · 07-15-2007, 04:45 PM

I agree with Angel and Peachlady here, working children would grow up being hard workers and very responsible, I've seen plenty of laziness people in every path of life at workplaces, that is because they haven't learned their responsibilities at a younger age. My view is that it's important to educated children at their younger age about responsibilities, chores, caring, because once they grow up being on their own, they'll be more prepare in the reality of life, which means good parents, hard working people, experienced chef, etc.

Audiofuzzy · 07-16-2007, 03:09 AM

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I agree with Angel and Peachlady here, working children would grow up being hard workers and very responsible,

Indeed. What a great life - working hard in childhood, working hard in adulthood. Everyone's biggest fantasy, yeah...

Fuzzy

BearBeauty · 07-16-2007, 09:48 AM

While it seems the family is doing well, My question is this...

Where is the older children's time to date, go out with friends, do stuff away from home? Seems like all the kids do is stay home, study, help with their siblings, do chores.

Where's their life outside their home? where's their Dating, finding that special someone? you know?

Audiofuzzy · 07-16-2007, 02:33 PM

Has anybody ever seen Malcolm In The Middle episode where Lois got a rebate coupon for a family portrait and took her family to have a picture taken?
She put them in nice clothes, all washed and made up, and while at the photo centre the boys of course started fighting with each other, messing up their hair and the clothing,
and finally Lois yelled I WANT TO HAVE A NICE FAMILY PICTURE ALL TOGETHER FOR THREE SECONDS, WITH SMILES --- NOW!!!!

Click, flash, they got their "happy family" picture taken in a blink of the eye, indeed all smiles looking happy and close together, and immediately after that the boys resumed their fights

This is what I think of "whole, happy family" of Duggars.

I'll bet if someone took them off camera, off the side and asked the children how they REALLY felt....

Some people here are 100% right. Bringing up the children is parent's responsibility. Expecting the older children to take care of the younger is NOT RIGHT.

IT is NOT a right way to teach children to be responsible and caring. It's borderline abuse. There are other ways to teach children be a good adults, and happy and productive childhood does not equal being lazy and unhelpful, but it's definitely NOT having to care for youngsters.

It's one thing to ask the child to ocassionally help with te younger one, another to permanently attach taking care of them all the time.

I personally would not want to be forced into taking care of little children in my youth- I would have plenty of time for that later with my own, until the end of my life, thank you very much.

Damn right, when is supposed to be MY TIME FOR being just a kid?
This time will never come back, ever.

If you as a parent are not able to take care of your children by YOURSELF, then don't make them!!!!<

06-21-2007, 06:00 AM	#32 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) Hiiiiiii it's meeeeee Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 25,688	My main reason is against Bob & Michelle Duggar because I beleive it's their own responsiblity to raise the children if they really want to have a lot of children, not just breed the more babies and then give their children to raise their siblings. __________________ sniffing you

06-21-2007, 06:19 AM	#33 (permalink)
LakeTahoe ~~JUST ME!!~~ Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Lost somewhere on the Earth! Posts: 12,059	Maybe they'll stop till the "J" names runs out? They got then names from the Bible. I believe maybe by the 20th they may be stop. Or wait till Michelle reach menopauses since she is now in early 40's. __________________ HAPPY HALLOWEEN!

06-21-2007, 06:23 AM	#34 (permalink)
Aleser Woosh. Yes, Woosh. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 490	Liebling:-))), a family should involve the children helping out.. You give and you take. Taking care of their siblings helps them both be prepared for their future families as well as develop a sense of responsibility. Parents shouldn't just slave away while their kids sit on a couch. The mother already clearly devotes all her time to caring for them and also teaches them all. That many children -is- a small classroom, a full time job in itself. __________________ "Andrei, did you ever feel as if something had been promised to you in your childhood, and you look at yourself and you think 'I didn't know, then, that this is what would happen to me'-and it's strange, and funny, and a little sad?"

06-21-2007, 06:54 AM	#41 (permalink)
Aleser Woosh. Yes, Woosh. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 490	I don't expect anything from my future children cos I wont have any. I'm part of the younger members of our (VERY) large family who think it's time to take measurable action against the spread of genetic disorders- which involves not having children cos many of us (3/4) are CF carriers. __________________ "Andrei, did you ever feel as if something had been promised to you in your childhood, and you look at yourself and you think 'I didn't know, then, that this is what would happen to me'-and it's strange, and funny, and a little sad?"

06-21-2007, 10:15 AM	#43 (permalink)
Lil_country_gal Cowgirl Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Saint Joseph, MN Posts: 2,309	Well acording to the duggars and i heard them say this they believe that god will only give them as many children as they can handle. The older siblings don't look to hate it they seem to be one happy family. My sister who is 10 years older than me took care of me alot since our parents were never arond alot because of working so hard __________________ Put some excitement between your legs.... Ride a Horse Laicy Always and Forever

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06-21-2007, 06:36 AM	#38 (permalink)
Angel ♥"Concrete Angel"♥ Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 18,905	Oh no not everyday, I meant by helping out, sometimes children needs to help their mom and dad around the house, that's inculde helping their brothers and sisters out, but that doesn't mean that the parents are asking their children to raise their brother or sister...

06-21-2007, 12:02 PM	#44 (permalink)
Dark-Half Amor fati Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Idaho. Posts: 852	Lets start a bet pool on which # they'll stop by any means. Roflmfao. 50% of the bet money would go to charity! I'd imagine it'd get pretty fucking large pot and possibly nobody would ever get paid off for like...omg years? __________________ The world is a tragedy to those who feel, but a comedy to those who think.

07-14-2007, 02:37 PM	#46 (permalink)
cathartes Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 46	[quote=Angel;794265\ but that doesn't mean that the parents are asking their children to raise their brother or sister...[/QUOTE] But that's exactly what they are doing. The siblings ARE expected to practically raise a younger sibling. I forget the "cutesy" term they used.. what they do is assign(their word!) a weaned baby to a sibling to clothe, feed, watch after, carry around etc. A baby is imposed on another kid. A baby is not a pet for a child to "learn responsibility" from. There's a huge difference between helping the family out and being forced to take on care of a younger sibling as a pseudo-parent of sorts. Ma Duggar deliberately weans her infants early so her menstrual cycle can begin again sooner than later. They're members of Full Quiver a religious sect who believes babies are literally from god and he will make a woman pregnant as many or few times as he wishes. So, no birth control in any way for members of Full Quiver. Therefore she will keep on producing babies until she hits menopause. It won't be by hitting a certain number or some kind of reasoning like that. They just simply don't see sex as making babies in a way.

07-14-2007, 04:25 PM	#47 (permalink)
GalaxyAngel That's me! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ontario,Canada Posts: 13,515	I do not care what they are doing.. as long they are happily family.. go for it.. Not my business... I'd rather care myself focus on my family lifestyle and budget importances things sort it out... doesn't want part of alike The duggar family. The Duggar family are happy or sad lifestyle.. as long not our problem their own way preferences.. That okay. Really not need to be judge their lifestyles.. __________________ Parent's proud our children.

07-14-2007, 05:05 PM	#48 (permalink)
Peachy Lady Not from Georgia. Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,084	Also, it's not as if children are always "working." They get things done a lot faster when each person has its own chores to do. The children do get alot of free time because each person do own chores. I think what they're doing are great. If I have that many children I would do the same what Duggar family do. If I am left to do everything and let children have all the free time, I probably won't live long. The older children get to learn early what it's like to be big brother or big sister and have real world idea of what being a parents would be like in their future. Each ADers have its own opinion so no one is right or wrong...smile __________________

07-15-2007, 12:58 AM	#50 (permalink)
Opal ~~~~~ Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,753 Blog Entries: 1	Read in my magazine showing some photo's of these family, they are doing great - living in a beautiful dining room. They are doing well. __________________ (\ (\ (=' x') (,('')('')

07-15-2007, 01:20 PM	#52 (permalink)
Peachy Lady Not from Georgia. Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,084	I agree with u, Angel! If they're happy family, let it be...smile My great grandparents on both sides had many many children and they helped each other chores. After the children married and left parents home, they stayed close-knit for the rest of their lives, no matter where they live. They have bonded because they helped each other growing up. My children have their own chores. They clean their bedrooms, take turns to clean up bathroom, help with dishes, sweep floor, wash clothes, etc. They are part of the family and help each other. No, I do not make them do everything while I do nothing. They are good at what they do and know that when they're on their own, they will not have problem keeping their own places clean. Their bedrooms do get messy at times and that's when I ask them to clean their rooms. They're normal children...smile My children are very close bonded with me and my husband...they kept telling us that we are the best parents in whole wide world. I make good meals for them and they tell me that I'm the best chef. I make more than half the meals from scratch and fresh fruit/vegs because I have more time to cook. They're very happy at home cuz they get lots of love as well. If other parents prefer to do all the chores, that's their decision and nothing wrong with that, but the result is more tired parents. __________________

07-15-2007, 04:39 PM	#53 (permalink)
Angel ♥"Concrete Angel"♥ Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 18,905	^ @ PL, I agreed...

07-15-2007, 04:45 PM	#54 (permalink)
Cheri Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 20,755	I agree with Angel and Peachlady here, working children would grow up being hard workers and very responsible, I've seen plenty of laziness people in every path of life at workplaces, that is because they haven't learned their responsibilities at a younger age. My view is that it's important to educated children at their younger age about responsibilities, chores, caring, because once they grow up being on their own, they'll be more prepare in the reality of life, which means good parents, hard working people, experienced chef, etc. __________________

07-16-2007, 09:48 AM	#56 (permalink)
BearBeauty Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 818	While it seems the family is doing well, My question is this... Where is the older children's time to date, go out with friends, do stuff away from home? Seems like all the kids do is stay home, study, help with their siblings, do chores. Where's their life outside their home? where's their Dating, finding that special someone? you know?