Self-Esteem vs low self-esteem - Page 7

Liebling:-))) · 12-07-2005, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

Technically, God isn't the author of the Bible. The Bible is written by a bunch of different people who write down in their own words what they supposedly witnessed.

Unfortunlately yes, I often told them that it's author who wrote different bibles, not God. *sigh*

Liebling:-))) · 12-07-2005, 07:28 AM

Well said Chris

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Originally Posted by Reba

But you didn't go thru with it. See, that is the difference.

Anyway, back to the topic of self-esteem. The definition from www.dictionary.com is:

self-es·teem (slf-stm)
n.
Pride in oneself; self-respect.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

self-esteem

n 1: a feeling of pride in yourself [syn: self-pride]

Using the above definition, I don't understand how the death of a child would effect someone's "feeling of pride" or "pride in oneself". Deep sorrow shouldn't be about pride.

You should add "low", "good" "bad" "health" "high" to "self-esteem".

You should add "low" self-esteem which it mean that the death of beloved one affect people's self-esteem is low self-pride, self-respect.

It's too bad if someone has no to low self-pride or self-respect because it shows that they has NO respect for themselves and hate themselves.... it's too low esteem.. it could cause to kill themselves because they are not happy with their life.

good self-pride, self-respect = positive something to fulfilling your life... like go holiday, hobbies, re-modeling etc.

high self-pride, self-respect = positive your dream wish... you made it successful to being career or business woman... You told me yourself in other threads that your hubby set business as Christians do with their good career like lawyer, judge, etc. What is that? Of course they have high and good self-esteem...

Cheri · 12-07-2005, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Unfortunlately yes, I often told them that it's author who wrote different bibles, not God. *sigh*

Yes, There are authors who wrote the bible (a lot) over 1500 years But, the bible claims to be the very words of God. God gave his words to authors to put his words in the bible. Inside the bible at the begin, It's the story of God and the man from the creation to the end of the world.

Liebling:-))) · 12-07-2005, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Jesus is not dead. He was dead for three days and nights only. He has been alive since then.

Where is Jesus?

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That contradicts what the Bible says. Jesus wants us to humble ourselves and praise Him for giving us His strength and grace. He doesn't like us to brag about ourselves. Jesus said for us to put ALL our worries on Him.

"Brag" ? Can you give us what's exact example? Do you consider brag when someone are proud to show off their pictures of craft works, Artworks, car, etc.? To me, no - I would praise them for their good talent.

I would consider "brag" different is when someone boast and talk that they are rich and have a big car and big house and can buy everything...... expensive clothes..... I bought runner for $1,000 etc... I bought bra for $5,000 etc.

Yes, we praise Jesus to give us his strength.. Yes, we didn't forget him... We accept the fact that he is not there for us but ourselves. We built our life ourselves, not God and Jesus... It's US, not them.

Look the example: Jesus healed severe handicapped children into healthy children and blind into see again that's time he was alive.. Why can't he do the same to heal severe handicapped people at present? See what I mean is we do something OURSELVES because he and God did not do for us....

Liebling:-))) · 12-07-2005, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Yes, There are authors who wrote the bible (a lot) over 1500 years But, the bible claims to be the very words of God. God gave his words to authors to put his words in the bible. Inside the bible at the begin, It's the story of God and the man from the creation to the end of the world.

Yes, the authors use God's scriptures to write their images. They often claimed that they translate God's scriptures into right word on the bible but I compared different bibles ... the God's scriptures are the same but images?...

Liebling:-))) · 12-07-2005, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

That is the point. They care too much about themselves; that is why their pain is magnified because they focus on it.

But I see different. They don't care about themselves but hate themselves.

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Exactly. If she focuses on other people (her promise to you and for her son) then she will not kill herself. If she focuses on her own pain and loss she will want to kill herself.

She is not first person to say like this... A lot of people I know say like this when they are too upset and hurt. I can understand their pain.

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Pity is not enough. Pity doesn't help anyone. Action helps. Your friend is grateful to you, not for your pity, but for the help that you gave her.

The word of pity have many different things.

Example: I don't like anyone who feel pity themselves etc..

I don't like anyone who sit home and whines themselves how pity they are... etc.

Pity is other word when someone feel pain after loss of their belove one... They are too upset to think being to feel pity themselves but need someone be there to comfort and support them. I feel pity for their pain because I know how pain feeling they have..., not them. I support and share them and their pain feeling. I feel terrible and pity myself for them.

Cheri · 12-07-2005, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Yes, the authors use God's scriptures to write their images. They often claimed that they translate God's scriptures into right word on the bible but I compared different bibles ... the God's scriptures are the same but images?...

I don't know what you meant by images? Are you talking about pictures that are shown in the bible are not the same? And about translate God's words, You have to understand that the first invention was printed in 1455, and in more than 2000 languages. If you worried about just the images It isn't important for example, some people say that Jesus had a dark skin and curly hair, some other people draw him as long hair with a beard and white skin. Images are not that important to worry about, What's more important is what is written in the bible, and in the bible is every word of God.

Liebling:-))) · 12-07-2005, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

I don't know what you meant by images? Are you talking about pictures that are shown in the bible are not the same?

No it's not what I mean. I mean is their image word, not picture.

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And about translate God's words,

Yes, that's what I mean. "image" what I mean is they use God's scriptures to built their image to translate on the bible.. (write on the bible, not picture of their images.)

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You have to understand that the first invention was printed in 1455, and in more than 2000 languages. If you worried about just the images It isn't important for example, some people say that Jesus had a dark skin and curly hair, some other people draw him as long hair with a beard and white skin. Images are not that important to worry about, What's more important is what is written in the bible, and in the bible is every word of God.

No, picture of Jesus's image is not important to me but image word of translation. All what I think of God and Jesus, not picture of their images. What I see their image words are not same in different bibles...

Cheri · 12-07-2005, 08:34 AM

Liebling:-))),

Ok, Thinks about this, God can communicate to the world in any way he wants, He could send angel to everyone with a long announcement, He has chosen written communication as the primary means to deliver his message about the meaning of life, So he choose the authors who would pass his message to the world in the bible. For example when you tell something to someone, and that person tells someone else, you can be sure that the message will change, and the more your orginal message is passed from one person to another, the more it will change dramatically. Understand? It's not going to be a perfect standard, but as long the meaning is just alike. God used the Holy Spirits to inspired 40 different writers over a period of 1500 years to write down his words.

Maria · 12-07-2005, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Unfortunlately yes, I often told them that it's author who wrote different bibles, not God. *sigh*

The Holy Bible was written by God Himself through the Holy Spirit in His men that God chose durin' in Ancient Time. God's Word in the Holy Bible is all the same from the Old Testament to New Testament. His Word never changed. God Himself never changed.

Maria · 12-07-2005, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

I agree with you there.

I don't understand what the Bible has to do with our lives. It's something people read and look up to. However, it doesn't mean that people have to refer to the Bible for dependable information.

It's like I said in another previous post. Quoting the Bible is just another excuse to get out of having to confront the problem yourself. In reality, this only makes the self-esteem problem worse.

The Holy Bible applies on people's life. It teaches the people how to live right from wrong and what the sins are that God forbids - just to help people to become better persons, so they could have better life/relationship with others. We includin' you are just like kids to God, because we all tend to make mistakes just like our children make.

Liebling:-))) · 12-07-2005, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Liebling:-))),

Ok, Thinks about this, God can communicate to the world in any way he wants, He could send angel to everyone with a long announcement, He has chosen written communication as the primary means to deliver his message about the meaning of life, So he choose the authors who would pass his message to the world in the bible. For example when you tell something to someone, and that person tells someone else, you can be sure that the message will change, and the more your orginal message is passed from one person to another, the more it will change dramatically. Understand? It's not going to be a perfect standard, but as long the meaning is just alike. God used the Holy Spirits to inspired 40 different writers over a period of 1500 years to write down his words.

Yes, I know but I can´t see the sense why someone do what the bible says... example is self-esteem here. They beleive "Christ-esteem" because the bible says... *sigh* It´s author who influence people to beleive because I know God and Jesus would never want us do that but want to see us to cope with our life ourselves with our strength. All what I thank Jesus to give us the strength to cope our life ourselves.

I cant see the sense when someone say...because what the bible say etc. etc. etc...

Maria · 12-07-2005, 01:32 PM

Lieblin' --

You are right, but when you ask Jesus Christ to come in your heart after accept Him as your personal Saviour.... Does HE live IN YOUR HEART spiritually ? or not ?

Once He lives in MY heart, He LIVES spiritually.. and, it is the parent's duty to teach children to LOVE one another thru Christ by sharin' the scriptures with children. Help them to get to know Jesus that He died for them and, that He loves them. ( John 3:16 ) So, this way the children may KNOW Him for WHO He really is... and, THEN the children will understand about themselves better about "esteem". And, this will also make the children to realize about others' needs, they will focus on others by showin' their love to others, so they can share Jesus to others to make their lives less problems after gettin' to KNOW Jesus personally.

That's what I am tryin' to explain about what Christ-esteem means ... to look upon Jesus instead of this world that will cause their lives more problem, leadin' to commit suicide, or takin' drugs to get high to avoid facin' their problems, overeatin' problems, or many "not good" things. This world is NOT perfect to live in and this "imperfect" influences on people's lives today.

Cheri · 12-07-2005, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Yes, I know but I can´t see the sense why someone do what the bible says... example is self-esteem here. They beleive "Christ-esteem" because the bible says... *sigh* It´s author who influence people to beleive because I know God and Jesus would never want us do that but want to see us to cope with our life ourselves with our strength. All what I thank Jesus to give us the strength to cope our life ourselves.

I cant see the sense when someone say...because what the bible say etc. etc. etc...

I dunno hun, I haven't gone that far in the bible about Christ-esteem I believe it's two different things. God let us make choices in life, but he rather us to follow his words meaning to do what is right. But, You know we are all sinners so that's way impossible for anyone to be perfect, because nobody is perfect. I know for matter of fact, I am not perfect. I have done wrong doing in my life and still do.

The point of this thread is really about children with self-esstem and has nothing to do with Christ-esteem. I wish people would understand that. But, You do what you feel is right hun.

12-07-2005, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberRed

The Holy Bible applies on people's life. It teaches the people how to live right from wrong and what the sins are that God forbids - just to help people to become better persons, so they could have better life/relationship with others. We includin' you are just like kids to God, because we all tend to make mistakes just like our children make.

One can state that the Bible is a tool to guide people in their lives and/or become a better person. I disagree with this because it is all about life experiences, the people you encounter and life's histories.

I've experienced a "so-called" Bible Thumper force-feeding Biblical quotes to me, telling me how I could improve my life because she viewed me as a "fallen child of God". The sheer irony of this was that she, herself, had abortions, does recreational drug use and had divorces.

Maria · 12-07-2005, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cookie Monster

One can state that the Bible is a tool to guide people in their lives and/or become a better person. I disagree with this because it is all about life experiences, the people you encounter and life's histories.

I've experienced a "so-called" Bible Thumper force-feeding Biblical quotes to me, telling me how I could improve my life because she viewed me as a "fallen child of God". The sheer irony of this was that she, herself, had abortions, does recreational drug use and had divorces.

Very understandable, CM. It's why this world is NOT perfect we live in and the "imperfect" influences on people's lives today. You mentioned about that lady who forced-feedin' biblical quotes to you...maybe, she already asked God to forgive her ( about abortions, drug use and divorces ).

That's one thing I really don't know what's really inside her heart. Maybe, you could ask her if, she ask for forgiveness ?

Like Jesus said on the Cross before He died "Forgive them for they do not know what to do"...... remember ?

No one knows what to do, because of IMPERFECT world we live in. There's always problems out there.

The world we live in is UN-forgivin' world......

12-07-2005, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberRed

Maybe, you could ask her if, she ask for forgiveness ?

Like Jesus said on the Cross before He died "Forgive them for they do not know what to do"...... remember ?

No one knows what to do, because of IMPERFECT world we live in. There's always problems out there.

The world we live in is UN-forgivin' world......

The thing is, CR.. I strongly feel those who force-feeds Biblical quotes to others are those who are asking for forgiveness from God. I couldn't judge people on their actions because I do not walk in their shoes or experience their feeling. It is only God that we face on Judgement Day and we bear the burden of explaining our past transgressions.

I believe stronly in other dogmas/deities that surround us, it is because I am very open-minded and I have a big heart as well. You are so correct, the world we live in is so unforgiving but it is up to us to change the negativity through positive reinforcement and fellowship.

One knows actions speaks louder than words. One can spout biblical quotes but it is always better to go out and reach out with our fellow people and help them instead of being idle. I'll contradict myself here for a very good purpose.. "Idle hands are the Devil's workshop."

Maria · 12-07-2005, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cookie Monster

The thing is, CR.. I strongly feel those who force-feeds Biblical quotes to others are those who are asking for forgiveness from God. I couldn't judge people on their actions because I do not walk in their shoes or experience their feeling. It is only God that we face on Judgement Day and we bear the burden of explaining our past transgressions.

too.
Right. It's also their responsiblity to ask others for forgivness as well BEFORE God can forgive them. Always make a truce with people first. When God see it, He will be very pleased and, then they can ask God for forgiveness and He will forgive them in peace.

I believe stronly in other dogmas/deities that surround us, it is because I am very open-minded and I have a big heart as well. You are so correct, the world we live in is so unforgiving but it is up to us to change the negativity through positive reinforcement and fellowship.

Care to be specific on what you mean by "dogmas/deities" ? I think it's very important for readers to understand your strongly belief.
Speakin' of negativity through positive reinforcement and fellowship, of course it is up to us.

One knows actions speaks louder than words. One can spout biblical quotes but it is always better to go out and reach out with our fellow people and help them instead of being idle. I'll contradict myself here for a very good purpose.. "Idle hands are the Devil's workshop."

I agree about actions speaks louder than words... very true. It's why I attend church and have a fellowship with my brothers and sisters in Christ. Always encouragin' /supportin' each other through the scriptures we discuss and learn. We also go out once a month to diner and chat. I also have other things to take care of this house ( remodelin' before I return to Alaska next year ). I even email to some my friends to cheer their spirit up if, they need someone to talk to. Of course, this are the actions I've been doin'. Other times I get very tired and need a nap to feel better for the next day... just need to gather up my energy and strength before I can move on.

Ok, what do you mean by "idle hands are the Devil's workshop" ? I have no idea what it means. I think it would be a good to explain for other readers includin' me to understand what you mean. Thanks.

Audiofuzzy · 12-07-2005, 05:04 PM

>>"idle hands are the Devil's workshop" <<<

That just means if you are not doing anything constructive you may get bored and you may get into troubles which is what devil likes.

Fuzzy

12-07-2005, 07:01 PM

Fuzzy is quite correct about the "Idle hands are the Devil's workshop". The quote is the testament of how the Devil thrives in how one gets bored and falls for temptation whereas God wants all of us to be productive and do good.

you too, CR!

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Right. It's also their responsiblity to ask others for forgivness as well BEFORE God can forgive them. Always make a truce with people first. When God see it, He will be very pleased and, then they can ask God for forgiveness and He will forgive them in peace.

You're correct about this because God does forgive both "small" and "big" sins. What I meant by small and big sins, small (lying and anger) and big (adultery and murder), the Bible does state this. Mind you, I was born Roman Catholic and my family went to church where service was often in Latin. After several life-changing events, my faith in God was tested.

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Care to be specific on what you mean by "dogmas/deities" ? I think it's very important for readers to understand your strongly belief.
Speakin' of negativity through positive reinforcement and fellowship, of course it is up to us.

Growing up, I was often curious and would always go with my school friends' or other friends' churches, synagogues and temples. I was always piqued and interested to learn about other religions. I realised there was other dogmas/deities besides God that I faithfully worshipped every Sunday since I was born. My father, the very strict and faithful Roman Catholic felt betrayed when he learned I was latent. He realised I was actually Buddhist and he appreciated my faith to Buddhism as well and felt good knowing there was a dogma I was dedicated to.

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I agree about actions speaks louder than words... very true. It's why I attend church and have a fellowship with my brothers and sisters in Christ.

I'm glad you have a fellowship with your Christ brothers and sisters. That's the positive reinforcement one needs in a negative situation, you can reach out to them and they will come to you in your time of need.

When my family and friends realised of my life changes and firm belief in Buddhism, my parents were actually the one who initated the change in going to another church which impressed me. The act, by itself, shows support and love as well. We now go to a non-denominatial Deaf Fellowship Church and once a month the Deaf Fellowship Church extends invitations to other Deaf Churches to have lunches/dinners. We just celebrate life only.

Our family has come to a realisation after I explained to them that with religion and politics, one cannot win. It is always best to respect each other's choices and love people for who they are.

CR, take care girl!

12-07-2005, 08:40 PM

Divorced is one of the saddest, worst one. There are too many people who got divorced. Yes, God is angry about divorced. There are so many reasons why they got divorced. (cheating, affair, too stubborn, won't change for better, money, won't agree with a spouse over discipline on children, etc, etc) If you really care about the marriage and you have a problem with your spouse, then they have to work on it very hard..something that you have to give up, try to change for better, etc). If someone who beats his/her spouse very, very badly, then it is ok to divorce because God does not want this person to get phyiscal abuse.

In 2 years ago, my daughter had about 20 students in her class and ALL of her classmates' parents are divorced!!!!! I asked the teacher privately to find out if that was true and the teacher said yes. The teacher told me that their parents' divorces really affected their children - very angry, very sad, emotional, etc. That's why divorce is NOT good. Divorce is a very serious one.

Abortion is terrible. If you had an abortion in the past, you have to ask God to forgive you and no more!! I mean no more to have another abortion. When you had abortion once and you learned your mistake, that's your lesson and don't go for another abortion.

That's why we are not perfect so God wants us to follow His ways - NOT the satan's ways!!!!

Momoftwo

Audiofuzzy · 12-08-2005, 12:01 AM

>>>Forgive them for they do not know what to do<<<

No, actually Jesus said something diffrent:

"Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing"

""Yes, God is angry about divorced.""

""If someone who beats his/her spouse very, very badly, then it is ok to divorce because God does not want this person to get phyiscal abuse.""

lolol..
looks to me like we have our own notions what God likes and doesn't like...

BTW isn't if funny how we started with self -esteem, and ended up with religion and divorce... amazing..

Angel · 12-08-2005, 12:06 AM

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12-07-2005, 08:34 AM	#189 (permalink)
Cheri Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 20,755	Liebling:-))), Ok, Thinks about this, God can communicate to the world in any way he wants, He could send angel to everyone with a long announcement, He has chosen written communication as the primary means to deliver his message about the meaning of life, So he choose the authors who would pass his message to the world in the bible. For example when you tell something to someone, and that person tells someone else, you can be sure that the message will change, and the more your orginal message is passed from one person to another, the more it will change dramatically. Understand? It's not going to be a perfect standard, but as long the meaning is just alike. God used the Holy Spirits to inspired 40 different writers over a period of 1500 years to write down his words. __________________

12-07-2005, 01:32 PM	#193 (permalink)
Maria Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 8,164	Lieblin' -- You are right, but when you ask Jesus Christ to come in your heart after accept Him as your personal Saviour.... Does HE live IN YOUR HEART spiritually ? or not ? Once He lives in MY heart, He LIVES spiritually.. and, it is the parent's duty to teach children to LOVE one another thru Christ by sharin' the scriptures with children. Help them to get to know Jesus that He died for them and, that He loves them. ( John 3:16 ) So, this way the children may KNOW Him for WHO He really is... and, THEN the children will understand about themselves better about "esteem". And, this will also make the children to realize about others' needs, they will focus on others by showin' their love to others, so they can share Jesus to others to make their lives less problems after gettin' to KNOW Jesus personally. That's what I am tryin' to explain about what Christ-esteem means ... to look upon Jesus instead of this world that will cause their lives more problem, leadin' to commit suicide, or takin' drugs to get high to avoid facin' their problems, overeatin' problems, or many "not good" things. This world is NOT perfect to live in and this "imperfect" influences on people's lives today. __________________

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12-07-2005, 05:04 PM	#199 (permalink)
Audiofuzzy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,968	>>"idle hands are the Devil's workshop" <<< That just means if you are not doing anything constructive you may get bored and you may get into troubles which is what devil likes. Fuzzy

12-07-2005, 08:40 PM	#201 (permalink)
Momoftwo Guest Posts: n/a	Divorced is one of the saddest, worst one. There are too many people who got divorced. Yes, God is angry about divorced. There are so many reasons why they got divorced. (cheating, affair, too stubborn, won't change for better, money, won't agree with a spouse over discipline on children, etc, etc) If you really care about the marriage and you have a problem with your spouse, then they have to work on it very hard..something that you have to give up, try to change for better, etc). If someone who beats his/her spouse very, very badly, then it is ok to divorce because God does not want this person to get phyiscal abuse. In 2 years ago, my daughter had about 20 students in her class and ALL of her classmates' parents are divorced!!!!! I asked the teacher privately to find out if that was true and the teacher said yes. The teacher told me that their parents' divorces really affected their children - very angry, very sad, emotional, etc. That's why divorce is NOT good. Divorce is a very serious one. Abortion is terrible. If you had an abortion in the past, you have to ask God to forgive you and no more!! I mean no more to have another abortion. When you had abortion once and you learned your mistake, that's your lesson and don't go for another abortion. That's why we are not perfect so God wants us to follow His ways - NOT the satan's ways!!!! Momoftwo

12-08-2005, 12:01 AM	#202 (permalink)
Audiofuzzy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,968	>>>Forgive them for they do not know what to do<<< No, actually Jesus said something diffrent: "Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing" ""Yes, God is angry about divorced."" ""If someone who beats his/her spouse very, very badly, then it is ok to divorce because God does not want this person to get phyiscal abuse."" lolol.. looks to me like we have our own notions what God likes and doesn't like... BTW isn't if funny how we started with self -esteem, and ended up with religion and divorce... amazing..