Self-Esteem vs low self-esteem - Page 4

mlkshkgrl · 11-29-2005, 02:01 PM

Results of your Self-Esteem Test

your score = 36

What does your score mean?
This likely comes as no surprise to you, but you have relatively low self-esteem. Your answers on the test showed a lot of doubt about your own abilities, lack of self-love and some attitudes and beliefs that are contributing to your confidence problem.

Liebling:-))) · 11-29-2005, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Momoftwo

Hi Liebling

88% is very good. You have very confident in yourself. Yes, I am very confident in myself.

Thanks, Liebling that I enjoyed reading your posts.

Momotwo

Welcome

Thank you and I know for long time that I have good self-esteem before I made a te st today. wow I didnt know that I has high self-esteem... It make me feel proud.

Reba · 11-29-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ^Angel^

Correct me if I'm wrong here, you're saying that some people develope good self esteem in the wrong way meaning being more powerful than God?....

People with high "self-esteem" are not more powerful than God. They don't trust God for their strength and support. They don't depend on God. They don't care about other people. They just focus on themselves. They don't thank and praise God for His blessings. They thank and praise themselves. They brag "I did everything for myself." They just live for their own satisfaction.

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It is important that children develop their self esteem in a good way, and I see nothing wrong with that, I still don't get it when you said U don't believe in self esteem....

Self-esteem is a philosophy without God. I believe in God. I trust God to save me, take care of me, and lead me. I don't trust my own self-esteem to do those things.

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And I don't see any different between philosophy and Bible when it comes to talking about self esteem....

Here is the difference:
The unsaved world trusts human abilities and self-esteem for a successful life.
Saved Christians trust Jesus' strength and grace for a successful life.

Philippians 4:13 "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me."

Self-esteem leaves out "through Christ".

Cheri · 11-29-2005, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

People with high "self-esteem" are not more powerful than God. They don't trust God for their strength and support. They don't depend on God. They don't care about other people. They just focus on themselves. They don't thank and praise God for His blessings. They thank and praise themselves. They brag "I did everything for myself." They just live for their own satisfaction..

Do not speak for all of us those who have high self-esteem. That's what you think. So, You're saying Liebling/or Mofo is so self-center doesn't think about others and doesn't thanked God for anything? Since she has really good self-esteem which can be high. I wouldn't say that about people. When people who have low-self-esteem, It's up to them to change to be a better person, God cannot do that for us, We (us) have to change our attitude, God doesn't like it when people are bitter, God doesn't like it when people who doesn't think about others helping others. We have to do that on our own to show God we are good people that we have hearts. I have not seen one person brag about their own satisfaction, I've seen people proud that they change to become a better person to lead a positive life, Isn't that what God wants us to do? Those who have bitter hearts are the people, doesn't care about others, always angry at the world is what Satan likes. Thanks for your time in reading this. Have a good day now.

Reba · 11-29-2005, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ^Angel^

... to have a good self-esteem meaning to love yourself and to love others, to do things in your life that is more postive than negitive....

God never says "love yourself" or "love thyself". That is why I say that the self-esteem philosophy is not biblical.

God says, love the Lord, love your neighbor, love the brethren, husbands love your wives, etc.

11-29-2005, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Do not speak for all of us those who have high self-esteem. That's what you think. So, You're saying Liebling/or Mofo is so self-center doesn't think about others and doesn't thanked God for anything? Since she has really good self-esteem which can be high. I wouldn't say that about people. When people who have low-self-esteem, It's up to them to change to be a better person, God cannot do that for us, We (us) have to change our attitude, God doesn't like it when people are bitter, God doesn't like it when people who doesn't think about others helping others. We have to do that on our own to show God we are good people that we have hearts. I have not seen one person brag about their own satisfaction, I've seen people proud that they change to become a better person to lead a positive life, Isn't that what God wants us to do? Those who have bitter hearts are the people, doesn't care about others, always angry at the world is what Satan likes. Thanks for your time in reading this. Have a good day now.

Cheri

Yes, you are right. I can't help it that I just happen to have good self-esteem. I am humble and plain and simple. When someone who is very friendly, he/she will give good exposure to others. Like if someone who swears a lot to the person, it is a bad influence and it can affect to that person to use more swearings. I hate swearings!! But I admit that I did swear when I was so angry when someone was VERY RUDE to me and I said the bad word to myself - not swearing to other person or people. After a little while, I felt guilty for swearing and I prayed to God, "I'm sorry for my swearing". I know I am not perfect. Of course, everyone has sins.

Momoftwo

Maria · 11-29-2005, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Do not speak for all of us those who have high self-esteem. That's what you think. So, You're saying Liebling/or Mofo is so self-center doesn't think about others and doesn't thanked God for anything? Since she has really good self-esteem which can be high. I wouldn't say that about people. When people who have low-self-esteem, It's up to them to change to be a better person, God cannot do that for us, We (us) have to change our attitude, God doesn't like it when people are bitter, God doesn't like it when people who doesn't think about others helping others. We have to do that on our own to show God we are good people that we have hearts. I have not seen one person brag about their own satisfaction, I've seen people proud that they change to become a better person to lead a positive life, Isn't that what God wants us to do? Those who have bitter hearts are the people, doesn't care about others, always angry at the world is what Satan likes. Thanks for your time in reading this. Have a good day now.

It's NOT what Reba think. It's what she KNOWS through the scriptures...just like me. I know what she means. She is talkin' about people who likes to THINK ABOUT THEMSELVES instead of focusin' on God to grow spiritually.
Once a person accept Jesus Christ, this person will become a NEW person and the "old" self is gone. He TRANSFORMED this person to become His Image..HIS likeness from the inside. A brand new person through readin' the bible, prayin' daily and havin' a fellowship with brothers and sisters at church and so forth. When that happens, this person will BECOME more humble and have HUMILITY in heart with HIM. More meek and sincere.
God favors this person who is more humble rather than the person who is self-esteem ( to think about himself/herself rather than think about Jesus to rely on ).

James 4:10
"Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall exalt you."

That's what Reba means. I am here to explain. Don't hit me with your bat. lol !

Reba · 11-29-2005, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ^Angel^

...There are some people out there who has low self-esteem which some had abortion, drop-out of school, teen pregnancy to rape, robbery, and poverty can be solved if only we help people to esteem themselves more highly to love themselves more and more and to realize their great self-worth...

Each and every person has great worth to God. Each person is so valuable to God that He sacrificied His Son for each one of us. THAT is the reason each person is valuable. People don't need to "love" themselves. They just need to love God, and He will provide them confidence to overcome their problems. Loving themselves won't solve anything.

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The Bible tells us: "Let each esteem others better than themselves" (Philippians 2:3)...

Right. We are supposed to esteem (honor) other people, not ourselves.

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“When Jesus was asked what the greatest moral commandment was, he replied by quoting two commands from the Old Testament. "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbour as yourself'" (Matthew 22:37-39). ..

Right. God says to love the Lord, and to love your neighbor. God does NOT command us to love ourselves.

Maria · 11-29-2005, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

God never says "love yourself" or "love thyself". That is why I say that the self-esteem philosophy is not biblical.

God says, love the Lord, love your neighbor, love the brethren, husbands love your wives, etc.

That's thinkin' of OTHERS, yes. Exactly.

*****
Cheri,

Love thyself is what I was tryin' to remember - Reba said it already. It's not correct to love myself. My mistake. I mean "love thyself". I apologized.

GalaxyAngel · 11-29-2005, 06:25 PM

Results of your Self-Esteem Test

Ruler
your score = 60 Your score

What does your score mean?

According to this test, you have a reasonably high level of self-esteem. There is, however, still some room for improvement.

Would you like to learn more about yourself and your self-esteem? Self-esteem is more than just an overall number; it stems from many personality traits, habits and attitudes. The complete results for this test provide you with 8 subscores. For example, you had 35 on the feelings of inadequacy subscore. Find out what this means and how you did in the other sections right away, simply by ordering the full test results. As an added bonus, your results will be saved in your very own Profile for future reference. You can then continue to explore our vast battery of professionally developed career, personality, IQ, relationship and health tests … all of them available in My Profile!

Reba · 11-29-2005, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

...No, the scripture is the word of God. The authors who use God´s scriptures to translate their images on the bible. I have compare several bibles - the scriptures are all the same but author translate them differently.

God is the author of the Bible. Psychology is the study of the human mind and the way it works. God doesn't need to study the human mind. He created it! He knows the way it works.

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Okay I respect your opinion. You beleive the authors who wrote the bible have psychologly skill? It´s hard to beleive since I learn from this thread that Christians don´t beleive in self-esteem.

As I wrote above, God created the human mind, so He knows more than every psychologist in the world.

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Huh? Don´t you know about yourself and your feeling? Your description shows in your post here that you have a good and healthy esteem because you develop positive about God and Bible. Positive and Trust relate to good and healthy esteem.

My confidence is in Jesus Christ and His Word. My confidence is not in my self.

Reba · 11-29-2005, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ^Angel^

....God wants people to have good self-esteems to love yourself...I know in my heart that God wants people to have postive self-essteem, to love themselves....

I'm wondering if you have any verses to support that?

Cheri · 11-29-2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberRed

It's NOT what Reba think. It's what she KNOWS through the scriptures...just like me. I know what she means. She is talkin' about people who likes to THINK ABOUT THEMSELVES instead of focusin' on God to grow spiritually.
Once a person accept Jesus Christ, this person will become a NEW person and the "old" self is gone. He TRANSFORMED this person to become His Image..HIS likeness from the inside. A brand new person through readin' the bible, prayin' daily and havin' a fellowship with brothers and sisters at church and so forth. When that happens, this person will BECOME more humble and have HUMILITY in heart with HIM. More meek and sincere.
God favors this person who is more humble rather than the person who is self-esteem ( to think about himself/herself rather than think about Jesus to rely on ).

James 4:10
"Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall exalt you."

That's what Reba means. I am here to explain. Don't hit me with your bat. lol !

I understand, a brand new person doesn't mean you will always be perfect because nobody cannot be perfect, We are all sinners. Why? Because we were born sinners. I wish that Eve and Adam never ate the fruit from the tree we wouldn't be sinners if they obey God, And the world wouldn't be the way it is now. I don't think of self-esteem that way of thinking about myself, I think of self-esteem as becoming a different person as a better person, to make me feel proud of myself that I've become a person that God would want me to be, not what Satan would want me to be like a person who is bitter, etc.

It's okay to disagree with me, That's what debates are for.

Reba · 11-29-2005, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Let me explain the example:

What I would love to hear positive things like this. - Positive self-esteem (good and healthy esteem).

Liebling - What do you think of my new hairstyle?
Person - It look good on you OR Color is too bright to my taste but I like your old hairstyle.
Liebling - Really? I appreciate for your honestly. OR True, I notice that those color is too bright to my skin.

What I would not like to hear negative things like this. - Bad/Low self-esteem

Liebling - What do you think of my new hairstyle?
Person - Ohhh you look lovely.
Liebling - Really? Thank you for like my new hairstyle...

Then later person told others how terrible my hairstyle... This is pathetic and 2 faces what I consider it as low esteem.

High self esteem

Liebling don´t bother to ask person what she or he think of her new hairstyle because Liebling like her new hairstyle and think her hairstyle is great on her.

Got it?

Yes, I got it.

The difference is, I have my confidence in Christ, not myself, so whatever people think about my hairstyle doesn't effect my confidence.

Reba · 11-29-2005, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Welcome

Thank you and I know for long time that I have good self-esteem before I made a test today. wow I didnt know that I has high self-esteem... It make me feel proud.

Exactly.

Reba · 11-29-2005, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Do not speak for all of us those who have high self-esteem. That's what you think. So, You're saying Liebling/or Mofo is so self-center doesn't think about others and doesn't thanked God for anything?

No, I did not say that.

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... I've seen people proud that they change to become a better person to lead a positive life, Isn't that what God wants us to do?

No.
None of us is good enough thru our own strength. Only thru Jesus we can do all things. God wants us to surrender our own will and pride, and let the Holy Spirit control our actions. If we depend our own selves, we will fail.

Proverbs 16:18 "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall."

Maria · 11-29-2005, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

I understand, a brand new person doesn't mean you will always be perfect because nobody cannot be perfect, We are all sinners. Why? Because we were born sinners. I wish that Eve and Adam never ate the fruit from the tree we wouldn't be sinners if they obey God, And the world wouldn't be the way it is now. I don't think of self-esteem that way of thinking about myself, I think of self-esteem as becoming a different person as a better person, to make me feel proud of myself that I've become a person that God would want me to be, not what Satan would want me to be like a person who is bitter, etc.

It's okay to disagree with me, That's what debates are for.

But, we can try only through Jesus Christ. He has the power to change us through the faith. Pray and read the bible daily will do miracle. You will be amazed to see the result. I've been there and done that.

It was Satan ( serpent ) caused all this sin, not Adam and Eve. God already KNEW before sin started. He told Adam and Eve not to eat that fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. But, Satan ( serpent ) fooled Eve into thinkin' that she will be like God and will not die, if she ate that fruit.

The only problem is that Satan loves "self-esteem". He was very highly pride against God sayin' that he will exalt above than God. Satan wants to THINK of himself by focusin' himself aka "self-esteem". He wants God's power...but, nah - that's a no-no. tsk tsk Satan. Satan forgot the God made him as an angel. Satan needs more than spankin'.

I would suggest you to check what "self-esteem" means by usin' dictionary. It will tell you exactly what it means. It doesn't hurt to learn. It's ok for everyone to learn.

Cheri · 11-29-2005, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberRed

I would suggest you to check what "self-esteem" means by usin' dictionary. It will tell you exactly what it means. It doesn't hurt to learn. It's ok for everyone to learn.

I do know what self-esteem means and I do not need someone telling me I have a wrong meaning of self-esteem. If you disagree with me that's fine, But I stand on what I believe what self-esteem means. Self-esteem to me does not mean negative at all. It's about yourself as a person describe who you are. I've already point out a lot of points about self-esteem.

11-29-2005, 09:06 PM

Hi CyberRed

Wow....ok...I have good self-esteem by natural. That's me...I'm always so friendly, very warm person, very sensitive, very happy (sure had bad mood or really upset by very rude people once a while - it happens), etc. God does not want me to have my good self-esteem?????

In the self-esteem test, my score was 92% and that is high self-esteem. Is that "satan"??? Does God not want me to have this high self-esteem. I don't get it. That's why I said what kind of self-esteem you have is negative (low self-esteem and high self-esteem are negative) But I have very good self-esteem. That's why I don't understand.

Please help me understand this.

Many thanks!

Momoftwo

11-29-2005, 09:18 PM

self-esteem

n 1: a feeling of pride in yourself [syn: self-pride] 2: the quality of being worthy of esteem or respect; "it was beneath his dignity to cheat"; "showed his true dignity when under pressure"

So....does it mean that if you say "I have good self-esteem or high self-esteem" which is BAD???? If yes, is that because of "ego"?????

If yes, but what about me??? I can't help to have good self-esteem because I am very friendly, always smile to everyone, always very warm toward to people, big heart, caring, etc. I was born that way. Imagine that my two children are like me. Everyone said to me and my kids many times "You and your family really inspire me so much and you all are very very nice and very friendly, etc". They look at us and thought we are very special. Well, we can't help it. It's natural. I am not here to brag about myself and my family. I am here to try to understand what really self-esteem mean because the dictionary said dignity to cheat when under pressure. That's not me. So, if that's not the case, then what word is the right rather than saying "I have good self-esteem". What word?

I'm so sorry if my continue question frustrates you. Please forgive me. I do want to understand.

Warm Regards,
Momoftwo

Maria · 11-29-2005, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Momoftwo

Hi CyberRed

Wow....ok...I have good self-esteem by natural. That's me...I'm always so friendly, very warm person, very sensitive, very happy (sure had bad mood or really upset by very rude people once a while - it happens), etc. God does not want me to have my good self-esteem?????

In the self-esteem test, my score was 92% and that is high self-esteem. Is that "satan"??? Does God not want me to have this high self-esteem. I don't get it. That's why I said what kind of self-esteem you have is negative (low self-esteem and high self-esteem are negative) But I have very good self-esteem. That's why I don't understand.

Please help me understand this.

Many thanks!

Momoftwo

Hi Momoftwo

I saw your self-esteem test in your post. I am not talkin' about negative or positive self-esteem.
It's the word "self-esteem" has its own different meanin'. It means to focus oneself more important than others. God wants His people to be humble, not focus on oneself more important than others. And, also God wants His people to think of others instead of oneself. Why worry about oneself what other people think ?

See these scriptures what God says about the sparrow:
Matthew 10:29-31
"Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? and not one of them shall fall on the ground without your Father:but the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows."

Do you understand what these scriptures means ?

Maria · 11-29-2005, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Momoftwo

self-esteem

n 1: a feeling of pride in yourself [syn: self-pride] 2: the quality of being worthy of esteem or respect; "it was beneath his dignity to cheat"; "showed his true dignity when under pressure"

So....does it mean that if you say "I have good self-esteem or high self-esteem" which is BAD???? If yes, is that because of "ego"?????

If yes, but what about me??? I can't help to have good self-esteem because I am very friendly, always smile to everyone, always very warm toward to people, big heart, caring, etc. I was born that way. Imagine that my two children are like me. Everyone said to me and my kids many times "You and your family really inspire me so much and you all are very very nice and very friendly, etc". They look at us and thought we are very special. Well, we can't help it. It's natural. I am not here to brag about myself and my family. I am here to try to understand what really self-esteem mean because the dictionary said dignity to cheat when under pressure. That's not me. So, if that's not the case, then what word is the right rather than saying "I have good self-esteem". What word?

I'm so sorry if my continue question frustrates you. Please forgive me. I do want to understand.

Warm Regards,
Momoftwo

Ok, please allow me to explain a little bit.

You see I highlighted bold the words above ? Ok, it stated "pride".. that is sin to have that pride. Pride is the opposite to humble. God forbids pride. It's why Satan was kicked out from Heaven, because of his pride. Pride could be means "puffed up". That's vanity.

I hope it helps you to understand.

I know you are a wonderful person with good conversation, but that words about "self-esteem" is somethin' else and it don't fit in Christ's profile.

11-29-2005, 09:57 PM

Hi CyberRed

Oh, wow....I got it!!!! Wow...your explanation is so crisp clear and I got your point. Thank you so much for your huge help!!!!

No, I don't understand what this scripture means (Matthew 10:29-31). I just moved my bible upstairs in an half hour ago because my 12 1/2 year old daughter couldn't sleep because my 6 month old kitten had spayed today. My kitten, Daisy's stomach hurts. I have another kitten, 3 months old, Sunny. They are in my daughter's bedroom. Anyway, she wanted to see the scripture Levitius 19:31 about don't talk to the dead people (spirits). I told her and my son and my husband about this. They were so shocked. She is soooo afraid because she does not want to go to hell. I told her not to worry because I already prayed to God to clean us all. We did communicate with the spirits and orbs from what we learned from tv. So, that's why I brought my bible to her and let her read it again. She and I talked about this. She felt better because I told her that I prayed to God to clean us. I will read it when I find the time.

Anyway,

Then, it means that I must not say "I have good self-esteem" because using self-esteem is the wrong word. right??

Just be humble because it does not matter if you are weak in that area but if you allow God to help you then make you a better person...right??

I'm tired so I'm going to bed now and watch tv in my room for a little bit. I love to watch HGTV - decorate homes, remodeling, etc....I love it!! It's fun to watch.

My husband always watches tv in the bed and he always falls alseep very fast. hahaha....anyway, I would love to stay here and keep reading the posts. But it's getting late because I have to get up really early tmw morning for kids' school... I hate getting up so early!! hahaha

Talk to you and others later!

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11-29-2005, 09:06 PM	#109 (permalink)
Momoftwo Guest Posts: n/a	Hi CyberRed Wow....ok...I have good self-esteem by natural. That's me...I'm always so friendly, very warm person, very sensitive, very happy (sure had bad mood or really upset by very rude people once a while - it happens), etc. God does not want me to have my good self-esteem????? In the self-esteem test, my score was 92% and that is high self-esteem. Is that "satan"??? Does God not want me to have this high self-esteem. I don't get it. That's why I said what kind of self-esteem you have is negative (low self-esteem and high self-esteem are negative) But I have very good self-esteem. That's why I don't understand. Please help me understand this. Many thanks! Momoftwo

11-29-2005, 09:18 PM	#110 (permalink)
Momoftwo Guest Posts: n/a	self-esteem n 1: a feeling of pride in yourself [syn: self-pride] 2: the quality of being worthy of esteem or respect; "it was beneath his dignity to cheat"; "showed his true dignity when under pressure" So....does it mean that if you say "I have good self-esteem or high self-esteem" which is BAD???? If yes, is that because of "ego"????? If yes, but what about me??? I can't help to have good self-esteem because I am very friendly, always smile to everyone, always very warm toward to people, big heart, caring, etc. I was born that way. Imagine that my two children are like me. Everyone said to me and my kids many times "You and your family really inspire me so much and you all are very very nice and very friendly, etc". They look at us and thought we are very special. Well, we can't help it. It's natural. I am not here to brag about myself and my family. I am here to try to understand what really self-esteem mean because the dictionary said dignity to cheat when under pressure. That's not me. So, if that's not the case, then what word is the right rather than saying "I have good self-esteem". What word? I'm so sorry if my continue question frustrates you. Please forgive me. I do want to understand. Warm Regards, Momoftwo