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True, Magastu.

I understand your concerns about government schools but the children has to face cons and pros in the world. It´s parents job to give their children in right path.

I really dont know much about US school but it´s important to control either the public, private or boarding school is good for children before put them to right school.

The parents need to open their mind to let their children to have their open mind, too to learn anything instead of consider only parents.

I beleive to let my children GO and COLLECT their experiences. They will receive my education why I think its´no right or wrong. It´s parents´upbringing job to teach/show them to right path, but teacher is not parents´s job task.

This is my opinion.

I respect you, Magastu if you want teach your children yourself with your future wife when you think it´s right.

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Well, I appause government to control of the children because Germans are stricter about children protection law. For them, it´s abuse if you pull your children out of public school to teach your children yourself and want them to consider you all the time, not everyone else. It would end children isolation world because they didnt know what pros and cons in the world alike.

It really scary condition when the parents pull their children out of public school and hide them from "crazy world" and share different beleifs and teach them to consider their parent only.

Well, my sons´s teacher did ask me and my hubby for the permission if it´s okay for my children to learn about reglious. We told them that we are for it because I beleive that the children should learn what we have kind of reglious in the world etc. My 1st son already told me how interesting about India´s belief etc, Jewish, belief, Christian beleif, JW, belief, etc etc etc..... It´s good for them to learn and decide themselves either they want to beleive or not. My son already asked me for my opinion. I told him that I believe only God and Bible and ask me why. I give him my honest answer what I have opinion. I already told him that I dont want to influence him with my opinion but it´s HIS OWN choice either he can beleive or not.

Some of parents have different beliefs and not agree to let their children learn reglious from school but they need to write a letter to school telling them to not teach their children. School respect reglious parents and send their children home earlier when the reglious lesson begin. No problem. My son told me that it´s only 2 in his classroom send home when the reglious lesson begin.

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Liebling:-))) I´m surprised about this because the teachers must have to get teacher certicate to get job to teach at school. I really dont understand about this.


I dont support those idea of homeschooling children because I want my children open their mind to learn the world instead of hide from world.

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That's true. However, which would you prefer... a guy who can do simple math and work well with others or a guy who can discuss Einstein's Theory of Relativity and not know how to say "hi" to anyone?

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After finished my response to your posts then go back to fix the breakfast for the family this morning. We all communicated during breakfast. My family are total surprised when I told them about homeschooling etc. They was like and said "The parents pulled their children out of public school and want to teach their children themselves?". I asked my sons what they react wif I pull them out of public school and play as teacher to teach them mmyself which I know that I dont have teacher skill/certication. My boys said to me: NO WAY, because I´m their mother, not teacher. They said: NO WAY, it´s teacher´s job task to teach them, not us.

My German hubby is disagree to this totally and said it´s abuse to hide the children from the "crazy" world and said that the people dont have to make any babies if they think world is bad or crazy or whatever. He said that the people dont have to complaint over crazy world but accept what the world is and show the children what good or bad.

It´s parents job to educate/show the children in right path.
It´s parent´s job to look for right school where their children should attend.

The reason, we bought land to build our house in countryside instead of live in city because of children upbringing/education/safety. We want to make sure that the place where we choose is good enivorment and good school.

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I really don't expect that to happen. The teachers' unions are too strong in America.

I support your right to do that. If you think there is too much "Christianity" in schools, you have the same right as a Christian family who believes there is too much "humanism" in schools, to decide the education for your children. I believe it is also right for parents to decide to home school their children for even non-religious reasons. Some parents don't like the violence and disrespect in government schools. Some parents don't like the lousy "education" their kids get in government schools. Some children need special attention for their educations, and the government schools can't provide that attention. There are many reasons.

I know some families (not just Christian) home school because they travel frequently. They can pack up the school books, the laptop computer, and the kids into their RV, or on their sail boat, and go. It is a wonderful combination of education and real life travel experience.

Like I said before, home schooling doesn't fit for everyone. But it should be an available option for families who want to do it. I do NOT believe the government should decide a child's school.

Yes, another good reason. Just about every government school now is full of vending machines with junk food and sodas. Ugh!

Reba

Except for families that live in very rural areas, or on islands, how are the children "isolated?" They can play with their neighborhood friends after school, they can see their friends on weekends and all summer. They join Little League teams, Boy and Girl Scouts, church groups, theater groups, etc. "Home school" doesn't mean the kids are locked in their houses.

I never attended home school. I attended government schools. That didn't mean I wasn't "isolated". There were plenty of kids around me at school. But I was quiet and shy, so I had very few friends. I would have preferred home school. I loved to stay home all day and read by myself. I wish I could have had home school. Even now, I don't like crowds of people. I prefer one-on-one conversations more than parties.

Then, on the opposite side, I know kids who are home schooled and they have many, many friends and social activities. They are very popular.

My point is, each child's personality is different. Some kids will be shy, and some will be popular, depending on personality, not depending on how many people they are exposed to.

Reba

I don't understand why parents want their children to learn "bad" ways. What is that benefit?

People who home school are not "hiding" their children from the world. They are building strong children, and equipping them to face the world to their best advantage.

That is your choice. You know what is best for your family. No one wants to force you to home school. For that same reason, home school parents don't want anyone forcing them to put their children in government schools.

The*Empress

I wish I had HomeSchooling... then I won't have to deal with mean
people and children at school.
I was pick on and stuff, even spit on because of my TCS.

I don't want to out there in the world... too many mean people out there.
I feel safe at home.

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Not if you had me as a teacher, Miss P, mwuh hahaha.
Dang, Reba, what gives??? You took the words right out of my mouth!
You are stealing my words, denying me my voice!
You will be hearing from my attorneys shortly.

Reba

Exactly!

I believe that parents should filter what their children are exposed to. Like computers--garbage in, garbage out (GIGO). Why should their tender hearts and minds be contaminated with negative, nasty images while they are young? What is the benefit? They only have a short time to live as innocent sweet children. Why ruin it? They will have plenty of years left for learning about all the negative, cruel, filthy facts of life and the world. What is the hurry to destroy their dreams?

But you don't just let your children go out on the street and experience bullying, swearing, drugs, alcohol, prostitution, racism, etc., do you? You don't want them to go to bed at night and dream about those experiences, do you?

As you say, it is the parents' responsibility to "teach/show them to right path". That is exactly what home school parents want to do.

IMHO

Reba

Ha, ha, no one can shut you up!

Reba

Government control of children...that is a chilling thought.

I believe it is parental neglect to leave children in a bad school situation.


It is the parent's responsibility to be a good influence on the child. What is wrong with influence? Are you saying that you don't influence your child about anything? When your child asks about your beliefs about smoking, good diet, violence, war, alcohol, drug abuse, sex, lying, stealing, bullying, etc., do you not influence? I don't believe parents actually say, "I don't care whether or not you lie or steal; I don't want to influence your decision."

Reba

It is not that hard to get a teaching certificate. A teaching certificate does not prove that the teacher is well-educated, intelligent, moral, compatible with children, or knowledgable about current events. It just proves that they passed the teacher test. Period.

Also, in American schools, not all teachers have certificates. Reason? They can't pass the test.

Reba

Magatsu,

I suggest you read the book, The Conspiracy of Ignorance, The Failure of American Public Schools by Martin L. Gross (1999, HarperCollins Publisher, Inc., NY, ISBN 0-06-019458-8).

Here is an excerpt from his book:

"In many European nations, the study of physics, which is never taken here by most students, begins in middle school. The top-achieving science nations, like the Scandinavians, teach physics every year beginning in the 6th grade. In America, only a handful of schools, usually private ones, are beginning to promote physics."

Mr. Gross tells it like it is.

Opal

Anyway when I enrol my daughters to primary school, their teachers told me I'm their FIRST teacher, because I teach my girls how to talk, write, counting, paint, right path of life and then pass the robe to the teachers afterward!!

And today I STILL teach my children with their school homework and share option with school teachers!!

Vance

Thanks for sharing your opinions. I found it very interesting. I believe that military families found it (homeschooling) very useful for their children due to numbers of movings.

Sorry but I am not quite sure what you mean about 'too much humanism'? Care to elaborate on that one?

Vance

Wow, I definitely have to order that book. Thanks for suggesting!

Edit: I googled the book title and I found that book is contributing to Religious Right and their agenda... I found it bit disturbing but I want to read to get other side of this issue anyway.

Vance

Well, from what I read these experiences -- it appears that they don't have any problem, I mean interacting with social life. However I would like to consider about your side of this issue as well so I will try to find some more articles & information to read about that.

Reba

I didn't know that. I'll have to check that out. I bought my copy several years ago, I think at Books A Million. Anyway, if you don't want to "contribute" I suppose you could find it at the library and borrow it.

Vance

Naw, I want to buy the book anyway. I never like to borrow the books from library for some reason.

This book may be good for me because of my 'Sweden' rants Again, thanks for suggesting.

Liebling:-)))

I KNOW what I´m TALKING about, thank you!

We are TALKING here about HOMESCHOOLING, not like what you and I did to help our children with homework as usual. I think you misunderstand all the whole what we talking about the thread here.

Would you pull your children out of public school to teach your children FULL TIME yourself? That´s what we talking about here.

The reason, I am not support homeschooling because I beleive that the teacher who have teacher skill. All what my children bring their homework to home for us to control and support. It´s difference between homework and homeschooling.

I´m surprised that your teacher said that you are first teacher to your children? Because teacher never said this to me. All what my sons´s teacher and I do is support each other what we do with my children. Every parents and teachers must support each other to help their children. I went to parent evenings often and learn alot of tips from teachers what we can do with our children etc BECAUSE they are skill teacher and also physical skills, too. I check with teacher every week how my children get on.

Please check my post one more then you will understand:
That´s what I said in my earlier post.

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[quote]Do you think the children are prefect as angel?
Do you think you would hide your children from "bad" world?
Example about World New TV. Would you let your chlidren watch World New TV? Me, yes because I dont believe to hide my children from bad things but let them to face what good or bad world.
The children will grow up and look something out of curiously what "bad" alike because they didnt know what it is because their parents never told them. It would be worst if they tried out of curiously later. That´s why I edcuate my children what good or bad earlier age. I do let my children to watch POLICE NEW TV over drugs, voliecne, etc. which it held once a month. I never let my children to watch volience movies but TV NEWS and POLICE NEWS/IMFORMATION.

My job to educate my children to not do that etc.
It´s normal that the children tried out of "curiously". My son did tried to smoke out of curiously and dont like it. He confide this to me himself without hide it from me. Why? BECAUSE it´s my job to bring children with attention and TRUST. That´s how my children can tell me everything open. It´s my job to warn my children to not do that etc WITHOUT scream or punish them.


I respect your opinion but I see the different.

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Important is pick right school and which place with good enivornment where we can trust to live.

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