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Old 09-23-2004, 09:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Rights for Kid's visting...

Anybody who don't have a full custody of this child but have a vistiing rights...

Curious what is your limition for your rights to see your kid?

My limition are that i can't have my son to come and stay with my place for a weekend, i can't have my ex husband to meet me in half way, I can't take him anywhere to spend for a day. arrghh that's drive me crazy if i have to go his place alllllllltime...
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Old 09-23-2004, 11:26 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Cooliefroggie, what do your divorce papers say about this? Does he have full physical custody?
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Old 09-23-2004, 12:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
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he has a full custody of my son.. ofc...
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he has a full custody of my son.. ofc...
How did he get full custody? What was the reason?
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Old 09-23-2004, 01:21 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Cooliefroggie -- is it a supervised visit (with someone from CPS or social worker or someone else in a neutral but similar type of work) when u go see ur son qq have u discussed anything in depth on ur visitation rights -- ie: having him on weekends and etc
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Old 09-23-2004, 03:50 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Cooliefroggie -- is it a supervised visit (with someone from CPS or social worker or someone else in a neutral but similar type of work) when u go see ur son qq have u discussed anything in depth on ur visitation rights -- ie: having him on weekends and etc
yeah it's a supervised vistit by my ex husband's order to the court.
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Old 09-23-2004, 10:22 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Hmm..maybe you can try to enquire into the visitation rights you have for your child. Ask the family courts about what your rights are and see if your ex husband and yourself can come to an amicable agreement of splitting the custody time with your child?

My DH had trouble with his ex wife over custody of their children -- long story, though. Although ex wife has full custody of the children, DH still has rights in having the children with him for the weekend every fortnight (2 weeks).
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Hmm..maybe you can try to enquire into the visitation rights you have for your child. Ask the family courts about what your rights are and see if your ex husband and yourself can come to an amicable agreement of splitting the custody time with your child?

My DH had trouble with his ex wife over custody of their children -- long story, though. Although ex wife has full custody of the children, DH still has rights in having the children with him for the weekend every fortnight (2 weeks).
I mentioned DH having trouble with his ex wife -- well, she kept on lying to him that the children didn't want to come and visit with us on their access weekends...plus emotionally blackmailed children with promises of money, stuff they wanted -- to get those stuff, it was to turn their backs against their biological father and consider their step father as their real father.

DH and I have since decided that we're not going to waste our energies nor money on the children...no more seeing them nor give them anything for their birthdays or Christmas, etc. The children treated us like crap, so therefore they don't deserve to get presents and the sorts from us....UNLESS they sincerely apologise for their horrid behaviour towards us. I doubt that -- just am grateful they're no longer in our lives anymore.
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Old 09-23-2004, 11:47 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I would fight for my rights to see my kids.
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Old 09-24-2004, 01:57 PM   #10 (permalink)
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yeah it's a supervised vistit by my ex husband's order to the court.
are u saying ur ex hubby ASKED the court to let u have supervised visit qq sounds like he might have had some valid argument to request supervised visits

good luck in taking ur case to family court if it leads u there again and discuss custodial rights -- mebbe u 2 can come up with an agreement that is satisfactory to all
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Old 09-24-2004, 06:02 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Have you talk with your lawyer about it? That is something that you need to straightened out with.
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Old 09-27-2004, 01:16 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Yes, i agreed them... Go and talk with lawyer about the papers to make sure its all in by court-order.. if so, you always can request for visitations, keep bugging the court.. and show them that you are moviate to have your child.. but...
There are some reason why.. they put you on supervised visitations by doing wrong or have done with criminal record or living in bad area..
If that.. and you determinated to be with your child for visitations then you
have to take some classes like management classes, parental classes, drug abuse classes, aa classes or support groups, counseling and etc.. to make change.. AND stick with it.. so the courts will look up to you and show that you are determinate to have your child back or visitations..

Same with my ex.. he didnt cooperative with courts for long time.. courts fed up with his playing game.. So they terminated his rights, I got full custody and my rights to make decisions.. BUT courts made him pay child support till the kids are 21.. (cuz he didnt pay at all for long time till last year) but still wont cooperative with child support serivces.. So other hand that he cant see the kids..that's court order...
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Old 09-27-2004, 11:13 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Why i should talk with lawyer?? Lawyers want your $$$, that they smell it!

the court dont care about your rights for visitations. the judeg order you limit visitation/ or order you on supervised vistations with kid(s). policy of not investigation the wrongs of lawyers and judges while a case is open violates Your civil rights. If this judge knows about this then that may be why he's trying to hurt you with his judgement. who make the judge order you?

You know what the more? the court do not order you require to take clasees like management classes, parental classes or counselors/ therapists. who made this require the judge order you to take these?

Even the court order you pay the child supports, who did make the court to order you have to pay the child support which whoever take take advantage of all your money is their money. get it?

The court system is their enemy, even your enemy. They are a pack of thieves who are hunting men down a stealing everything men's own. You've dealt with 4 incompetent judges so far and it doesn't look like things are going to get any better. It just sucks.

As you can see the system punishes men who have jobs and have been good providers to their family. What is my crime here? I am guilty of but two things. I own personal property and I have a personal income. I didn't beat my wife, I didn't cheat, I didn't abuse children. If I had it wouldn't counted against me. No, my crime is having some money and that attracts lawyers and child supports to take advantage of my family and steal my stuff.

Now, go away. Get out of my life. Leave me alone. Don't call me, don't even think about me. Go live your life and let me live mine. Forget that it ever happened. Forget that we ever knew each other. I don't hate you, all I want is for you to just go away with the mon(k)ey, go away, go away with the money, go away, go away, go away!

See the Monkey?
I gave her the Monkey!
Woman just loves the Monkey

I'm paying for it with your money. Of course, all my money is your monkey.

this woman who is totally dependant on me and needs all the money she can get to support her moonie lifestyle and allow her to sit around in her new age to try to understand her inner self. And she has become a tool for her greedy lawyers and the judicial system to fuck me over.

- Go Away with money! - Go Away!
Get the message and Go Away!
I don't really mean I want you to stay!
I really mean - Go Away! - Go Away with monkey!

The bottom line is that for whatever reason they ruined me over, I have no confidence in the justice system and I fully expect them to continue their active role in attacking me personally. Even though I can't identify the cause, the results speak for themselves.

There's no doubt in my mind that these people are out to destroy you.

WHO MADE THIS? FROM YOUR AN X WANT SOMETHING FROM YOU A WHAT? MY CONCLUSION MOST WOMEN WANT TO HAVING YOUR MONKEY FROM YOUR JOB, TAX REFUND OR SOMETHING ELSE GO ON LISTS WHERE IT CAME FROM. THIS IS MORE PAIN THAN DIVORCE THAT YOU ONCE PAY!

THANK YOU FOR TAKE YOUR TIME TO READ MY WORDS OF THIS!

P.S. My advice is some of you better stay with woman have child(ren) of yours. no matter what you are her boyfriend or her huband in position with her. just work out with your woman what you have deal with better or worse.. take my word! thanks!
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Old 09-28-2004, 08:34 AM   #14 (permalink)
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P.S. My advice is some of you better stay with woman have child(ren) of yours. no matter what you are her boyfriend or her huband in position with her. just work out with your woman what you have deal with better or worse.. take my word! thanks!
I am sorry I disagree with you why would u wanna stay with someone that you do not love anymore but for the sake of the children? U brought a child in the world u stuck with it forever weather you are in a relationship with the mother or not. Child support covers what you provide for the child and it doesn't matter what she spend that money on as long the child has a place to live, food, clothes and etc.



and.. Coolfrogger I am confused about why he has full custody and for what reason you have part of visitations and even supervisor visitations? Did you find out what you did wrong to deserve that kind of treatment? They are not allow to do something like that unless u broke a law or you are an unfit mother.
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Old 09-28-2004, 08:58 AM   #15 (permalink)
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he has a full custody of my son.. ofc...

I'm wondering why can't you share 1/2 custody of your son with your ex-husband instead of let him to have full custody?

You CAN fighting to have the right to share the custody of your son with your ex-husband if you really want to but you has to find lawyer who is specialist for child custody.

Have a nice talk with your ex-husband about those condition because it's child sake you & ex-husband should think about.
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Old 09-28-2004, 11:35 AM   #16 (permalink)
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yea why not fight urself to get visit ur son alike every weekends.. it up to u!! hope everything will be allright!!! i will pray for u!!!!
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Old 09-28-2004, 02:13 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Maybe CoolieFroggie doesn't want to give out too much information but what advice I could give you is hire another lawyer , and go back to court on this because if you feel in your heart you have the right to be with your children and did no harm to either one of them, then fight for what you believe is right for your children's sake otherwise it would be harder not being with them or spending alot more time with them .....Children do grow up very fast and I wouldn't miss a day being without them....

btw, if your ex hubby hearing?....I wonder if it has to do with you being Deaf? or did your ex hubby told the judge that you are with another girl?...
Yes that's right I don't need to give out too much information.. but all im saying that My ex husband is Deaf, I know I love my son very much, im doing for something to make my son to understand why my ex husband and i are divorced and have him to be with me for just a weekends.. but it's been 2 years and i have been wait and wait... so i just will do what i have to...

Thank for your all supportives and advices...

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I am sorry I disagree with you why would u wanna stay with someone that you do not love anymore but for the sake of the children? U brought a child in the world u stuck with it forever weather you are in a relationship with the mother or not. Child support covers what you provide for the child and it doesn't matter what she spend that money on as long the child has a place to live, food, clothes and etc.
Cheri, Are you judge on me and others about should not stay with woman which whomosever not love anymore.. I aint here to say about love.. I hope someone else could work it out with their wife or common law girlfriends stay family toegthers not because of child.. you did not relaize that there going high rate divroce and men left women with their childern for some reason or new woman.. many various reasons. I don't want to give you the lecture.. you are mature lady, you know enough about relationship, love, commitiemnt, etc on list. if not, that is your problem, where you will have problem in relationship with someone else in your own situation like history on way repeat and repeat itself. I want to give my advice to others think twice to focus about family, not because child.. there are out many women with childern both expect their a man take responbility care of family and relationship everyday. than go fight over stupid things as such child(ern) instead of family. it is silly things.. Man force to accpet to take responbility of family.

I give you the conpect of this:
For instance, You rise your child for years. you result dislike his or her way who he/ she is. you not love her or him which is your child. You would force yourself beat the child which you hate for who she/ he is. SIMPLE that give the child away to other who want adopt or foster home. because you think yourself more than other's need and wants. Or you have to stay with child(ren), just work it out with them everyday and provide them"s need and love. till they grow and become 18 years old. you will feel so good yourself spent time with child(ren) for years much more worth. than fed up with your life around.
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CoolieFroggie -- Why do you need a supervisor-- there must be some reasons.

You can request for meet in half way or you pickup your child from his place or you drop your child off at his place (you can pick that). Do you pay a child support for your kid?

Otherwise, if you and your ex husband are in good term... you can neogiate with him to see if it can work for you two without go back to the court which it will cost you two a lot of money.
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Old 10-20-2004, 06:31 PM   #20 (permalink)
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CoolieFroggie,

Have you tried a mediator? That way, it will save everyone's time and money before going to the court?

Last February, my ex threatened to sue for full custody of my girls and I fought back so hard. I asked if we could see a mediator and I contacted some resources to justify that it will be a waste of time for him. Finally he contacted his own lawyer and found out that he will never win the case anyway. So after 3 months of pure hell, he finally dropped the suit. Imagine the hell I went through.

Several months later, he apologized for that. The only reason why he wanted the girls full time is that I m a working mom and his wife is a housewife so he thought that the girls were better off with his wife who could be there for them 24 hours a day while I work long hours.

Working moms DO have rights!!!!!!!!!!

CoolieFroggie, don't give up ................search for resources out there to help get everything into perspective for you and your kid.
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You know it is not true.

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They do but it depends on individual.


If women want the money from men... unless there are some reasons why.

For me.. Money cant buy you love. To give my love to my daughter that is all it matters not the money.
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Even the court order you pay the child supports, who did make the court to order you have to pay the child support which whoever take take advantage of all your money is their money. get it?
Where do you get off getting that information from? That is totally wrong. They do not keep the money the money goes through Child Support agency and they send the custody parent the check they only take a little fee off of the check for processing fee.




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Why would someone stay in a marriage if they do not love each other anymore that would only hurt the children more.
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If women want the money from men... unless there are some reasons why.

For me.. Money cant buy you love. To give my love to my daughter that is all it matters not the money.

Money for Love? It take two people to bring a child in the world not one person if a single mother or father has custody of the child the absent parent are responsible for child support. It has nothing to do with Love. It's the Law.
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It doesnt have do with law.

If absent parent doesn't want do with her/his child(ren) they will not make her/him to pay the child support and he/she cannot see her/his child(ren) until they are 18.


Either single mother or father can make the decision to file the child support or not.
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I know exactly how you feel Meg, it not a good thing to go thru, but glad to hear your ex husband gave up!...that was a smart move!
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well well im trying to pay the child support but it's so so hard because im on living cost and they don't get chance to see where i m living right now, my ex husband had a job and i don't.. so i don't know.. but im trying to my best to make deal with my ex husband but he will not sit and listen, he just prefer to have our kids stay with him and making me go over at his place alltime, he don't bother to come to drop our kids to me and im finding a way to get gas money to go and take 8 hour drive to see my kid there and my ex don't do it.. so im not gonna to agure about it im just grr for a while till i get me a part time job and i have to do what it's best for my kid.

We already been thru with the court and stuff so im hangin on for a year..
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